[Ukraine] I don't judge people who avoid the draft but I do feel offended

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Horseshoe theory: Mar 7, 2005

spacetoaster posted:

Man, somebody ought to organize these disaffected veterans. Give them some sense of purpose.

Any beerhalls in Ukraine?

It's called the Freikorps, OP!

# ? Apr 19, 2024 19:08

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# ? Jun 7, 2024 16:16

Maximo Roboto: Feb 4, 2012

Lostconfused posted:

_{(from t.me/readovkanews/78525, via tgsa)}

https://twitter.com/SputnikInt/status/1781377303559197132

# ? Apr 19, 2024 19:16

The Protagonist: Jun 29, 2009; The average is 5.5? I thought it was 4. This is very unsettling.

Rip Texas

# ? Apr 19, 2024 19:23

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

He was always interesting in videos.

# ? Apr 19, 2024 19:23

Nix Panicus: Feb 25, 2007

Hedenius posted:

In related news: Ukrainian news sources switched to only using Ukrainian since the invasion except it turned out that a lot of Ukrainians don�t speak it so they get all their news from Telegram instead. Oops!

https://x.com/leonidragozin/status/1781248915699876266?s=46&t=mzWS2vgSInnU9jlt8C3n_Q

Oh no! Now how are they going to counter Russian disinformation about how discriminatory their government is? :ohdear:

# ? Apr 19, 2024 19:35

mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

Maximo Roboto posted:

https://twitter.com/SputnikInt/status/1781377303559197132

The Protagonist posted:

Rip Texas

Virgil...

# ? Apr 19, 2024 19:37

tristeham: Jul 31, 2022

mtg ftw

# ? Apr 19, 2024 19:53

Bar Crow: Oct 10, 2012

KomradeX posted:

Wasn't the idea that the Javelin wouldn't need a larger warhead because it was going to attack the thinner top armor?

The story of every Western innovation for the last decades is "we don't need X because of Y" except Y doesn't work, wasn't implemented, or was never part of the actual design.

# ? Apr 19, 2024 20:01

The Alchemist: Dec 12, 2010

PawParole posted:

https://twitter.com/KareemRifai/status/1781034671612039410

She�s right.

# ? Apr 19, 2024 20:55

VoicesCanBe: Jul 1, 2023; "Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

Sanlav posted:

The CFR report is so ideological at this point. They did an accounting of the war in february that amounts to fantasy. They list all these appropriations of arms without counts or delivery involved. It's a sliver of a sliver of the overal package, only a portion got to Ukraine, all of it is nearly spent, and whats on the way in no way meets their needs. Yet they conclude we're doing the best, bang up job ever in supporting a war effort and a teensy bit more will slay Ruussia.

Mearshimer had a debate with Dobriansky last week that was just abysmal. Every talking point she made was this wishful thinking. She keeps countering every material weakness on the ground with "but we could send more and close that gap" ignoring the material realities abound.

There is no time, there is no productive capactiy, wishing and hoping time is long gone. If they need 5 million 155mm shells a year to fight Russia, either we deliver 5 million shells now or face the music. There's no tomorrow, but our official policy planning has no urgency. They are looking at it as a long term stalemate still.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdtCyiKHtqE

Oh man this was as bad as I thought it'd be

The pro-funding side is just the same old talking points, appeals to western "values" that I already know are discarded at the slightest inconvenience. It doesn't help that the event was sponsored by the Council of Foreign Relations lmao and it shows with the audience.

I'm about 2/3rds through but tbh I don't think Mearsheimer is doing that great a job and his partner definitely isn't. Kind of what I was talking about earlier, his approach is ultimately still pro-US and thus still limited. Both are still miles ahead of the pro funding side - those two women barely seem to be paying attention to developments in the war, not even on a month to month basis let alone daily like we do in this topic.

# ? Apr 19, 2024 22:03

V. Illych L.: Apr 11, 2008; ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

mearsheimer does have the advantage of having called this conflict spinning out of control since 2016 or something

# ? Apr 19, 2024 22:13

Jel Shaker: Apr 19, 2003

VoicesCanBe posted:

Oh man this was as bad as I thought it'd be

The pro-funding side is just the same old talking points, appeals to western "values" that I already know are discarded at the slightest inconvenience. It doesn't help that the event was sponsored by the Council of Foreign Relations lmao and it shows with the audience.

I'm about 2/3rds through but tbh I don't think Mearsheimer is doing that great a job and his partner definitely isn't. Kind of what I was talking about earlier, his approach is ultimately still pro-US and thus still limited. Both are still miles ahead of the pro funding side - those two women barely seem to be paying attention to developments in the war, not even on a month to month basis let alone daily like we do in this topic.

unfortunately the presentation is very "man-splainy" and it doesnt help that the audience claps like seals after every epic girl boss slap back. But how exactly can you have a debate on reality vs feelings?

# ? Apr 19, 2024 22:39

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

VoicesCanBe posted:

Oh man this was as bad as I thought it'd be

The pro-funding side is just the same old talking points, appeals to western "values" that I already know are discarded at the slightest inconvenience. It doesn't help that the event was sponsored by the Council of Foreign Relations lmao and it shows with the audience.

I'm about 2/3rds through but tbh I don't think Mearsheimer is doing that great a job and his partner definitely isn't. Kind of what I was talking about earlier, his approach is ultimately still pro-US and thus still limited. Both are still miles ahead of the pro funding side - those two women barely seem to be paying attention to developments in the war, not even on a month to month basis let alone daily like we do in this topic.

His partner is a cavalryman light colonel and doesn't know how to talk to people in this cultural milieu, is the thing. It doesn't matter if you're right, or if you know the business of the arme blanche that a bunch of educated natsec people, they're going to speak in this mandarin fashion.

Nothing is more common in conversation with an educated liberal than to experience extreme difficulty in ascertaining what he is talking about. At times his remarks appear to consist exclusively of predicates, which are woven together in an intricate manner, the whole mass seeming, like Mohammed's coffin, to hang in the air, attached to nothing whatever.

To the educated liberal any idea whatever comes as a surprise, for which it is by no means certain that he will not be totally unprepared. He does not understand, because he does not expect to understand, and it takes him an appreciable time to get such intellectual forces as he has into a position to be used at all. His mind is like a rusty old smooth-bore cannon mounted on a decrepit carriage, which requires much hauling about before it can be pointed at anything, and then it is sure to miss fire.

A prominent example of intellectual turbidity is the prevalent habit of announcing as a reason for a fact, the fact itself. "Why do you not put salt into Jeni's Ice Cream?" you ask of a liberal cook. "We do not put salt into Ice Cream," is the explanation. "How is it with so much armaments made in your country none of it is stored up for wartime?" "No. We do not store up armaments for wartime in our country." If the Latin poet who observed, "Happy is he who is able to know the
reasons of things," had lived in DC, he might have modified his dictum so as to read "Unhappy is the man who essays to find out the reason of things."

Illustrations of these peculiarities will meet the observant outsider at every turn. "Why did he do so?" you inquire in regard to some preposterous act. "Yes," is the compendious reply.

Under these circumstances, the talk of a liberal will be like the testimony of a witness in an English court, who described a fight in the following terms :
"He'd a stick, and he'd a stick, and he w'acked he, and he w'acked he, and if he'd a w'acked he as hard as he w'acked he, he'd a killed he, and not he he."

The same state of mental confusion leads to a great variety of acts, often embarrassing, and to a well-ordered intellect always irritating. The defence minister makes it a matter of routine practice to use up the last of whatever there may be in his charge, and then serves the next operation minus some invariable concomitant. When asked what he means by it, he answers ingenuously that there was no more. "Then why did you not ask for more in time? I did not ask for any more," is his satisfactory explanation.

# ? Apr 19, 2024 22:39

BearsBearsBears: Aug 4, 2022

CODChimera posted:

its kind of surprising that we don't see more stuff like this. there was that time where Russia loaded up a tank(?) with HE and sent it forward into Ukrainian positions and it seemed really effective

This happened at least twice. Once seemed to be an attack against a trench (protected by a minefield) and I think the second time was just to clear a minefield or maybe just to test it.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davida...sh=1d02c8462f86

Reading articles about this war after they've fallen out of relevance is very strange.

quote:

The attempted VBIED attack underscores the increasing desperation of Russian forces, 16 months after Russia widened its war on Ukraine.

Many tens of thousands of Russia's best troops have been wounded or killed. Russian forces have written off no fewer than 10,000 of their best armored vehicles. The Kremlin's winter offensive was a bust. At the cost of thousands of lives, Russian and allied regiments finally captured the ruins of Bakhmut, in eastern Ukraine's Donbas region.

But that pyrrhic victory consumed the people and equipment Moscow should have devoted to shoring up its defensive lines in southern and eastern Ukraine ahead of Ukraine's long-anticipated 2023 counteroffensive.

That operation kicked off on the night of June 4, as several Ukrainian brigades�some of them armed with Western tanks and fighting vehicles�attacked along several axes in Zaporizhzhia and Donetsk Oblasts, as well as on the flanks of Bahkmut. The Ukrainians slowly are advancing in several sectors, steadily erasing the Russians' modest winter gains.

The Russians were running out of modern weaponry long before the current counteroffensive. Now they're running out even faster�and turning to long-stored tanks and fighting vehicles and increasingly bizarre modifications of existing vehicles, including a wheeled BTR armed with rocket pods borrowed from a helicopter.

Dudes rock

quote:

After running low on modern T-72B3 and T-90M tanks, the Kremlin began pulling out of storage upgraded T-62s from the 1980s, first-generation T-72s from the 1970s and, most shockingly, basic T-55s and T-54s that rolled off the factory floor probably sometime in the late 1950s.

Those four-person T-54/55s with their thin armor, crude optics and minimally-stabilized 100-millimeter guns are worse than useless in an intensive fight, especially at night. They're deathtraps for their crews.

The Russians know this. They at first deployed the T-54/55s along with slightly newer T-62s as short-range, mobile artillery. But a tank doesn't make a great howitzer: its gun can't angle high enough to shoot a shell more than 10 miles or so, and its optics don't allow for long-range aiming.

It�s slightly better than nothing in an army that's under relentless assault and running low on things with which to fight back, however. That the Russians are turning to vehicle-borne IEDs is symptomatic of this poverty.

The T-54/55 VBIED isn't the only one to roll out from Russian positions in recent days. Russian troops also tried ramming Ukrainian positions with an MT-LB tractor loaded up with explosive mine-clearing line-charges.

An army with adequate supplies of long-range munitions wouldn't bother trying to blow up a Ukrainian position with a radio-controlled tank full of explosives. Especially considering how many anti-tank guided missiles the Ukrainians have.

# ? Apr 19, 2024 22:43

Nix Panicus: Feb 25, 2007

Russia is running out of tanks

# ? Apr 19, 2024 22:55

Bel Shazar: Sep 14, 2012

Jel Shaker posted:

unfortunately the presentation is very "man-splainy" and it doesnt help that the audience claps like seals after every epic girl boss slap back. But how exactly can you have a debate on reality vs feelings?

Deadpool it... break the fourth wall and use a ton of highly direct and personal profanity

# ? Apr 19, 2024 23:07

VoicesCanBe: Jul 1, 2023; "Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

V. Illych L. posted:

mearsheimer does have the advantage of having called this conflict spinning out of control since 2016 or something

Of course, he absolutely deserves credit for being consistent on that point. He predicted this very conflict would happen and for the correct reasons.

# ? Apr 19, 2024 23:08

lobster shirt: Jun 14, 2021

BearsBearsBears posted:

This happened at least twice. Once seemed to be an attack against a trench (protected by a minefield) and I think the second time was just to clear a minefield or maybe just to test it.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davida...sh=1d02c8462f86

Reading articles about this war after they've fallen out of relevance is very strange.

Dudes rock

if they were running out of tanks wouldnt they use them for something other than vbied? that seems like a silly way to waste a tank.

# ? Apr 19, 2024 23:11

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

Jel Shaker posted:

unfortunately the presentation is very "man-splainy" and it doesnt help that the audience claps like seals after every epic girl boss slap back. But how exactly can you have a debate on reality vs feelings?

It's part of why Hillary Clinton, Samantha Power, and Chrystia Freeland got to where they are. They figured out how to Gen X girl boss the same foreign policy

# ? Apr 19, 2024 23:26

Thorn Wishes Talon: Oct 18, 2014; by Fluffdaddy

https://twitter. com/AndrewPerpetua/status/1781332809061142915

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Somebody has issued a correction as of 17:00 on Apr 20, 2024

# ? Apr 19, 2024 23:44

Lostconfused: Oct 1, 2008

Critical support for girlbosses dismantling imperialism.

# ? Apr 19, 2024 23:47

MinutePirateBug: Mar 4, 2013

Thorn Wishes Talon posted:

https://twitter.com/AndrewPerpetua/status/1781332809061142915

It is the same as body counts in Vietnam (or any American war) or Israel's obsession about their kill / death ratio. If people are willing to accept those loses and it doesn't actually degrade their ability to fight, it doesn't really change anything. Whatever, you can say that is cope, but ultimately we lost in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq by using k/d as a metric of success.

# ? Apr 19, 2024 23:55

MinutePirateBug: Mar 4, 2013

If you look at the pro-ukranian's willy oam's channel, he interviews a gently caress ton of foreign fighters in Ukrainian, and they are doing the exact same poo poo that made everyone loving hate the Americans in Afghanistan. Westerners are absolutely loathsome arrogant fucks to deal with and the longer you have to deal with the more hatred builds towards them.

# ? Apr 20, 2024 00:00

Cao Ni Ma: May 25, 2010

Thorn Wishes Talon posted:

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Keep this freak timed out longer

# ? Apr 20, 2024 00:10

HallelujahLee: May 3, 2009

Cao Ni Ma posted:

Keep this freak timed out longer

just perma-ban hes a pathetic freak and a garbage poster nobody likes

# ? Apr 20, 2024 00:14

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

I'm on his ignore list

# ? Apr 20, 2024 00:17

Zodium: Jun 19, 2004

how can you tell

# ? Apr 20, 2024 00:20

Leandros: Dec 14, 2008

Thorn Wishes Talon posted:

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Uh did I just see someone shoot out the tank as if it was a circus cannon and if so should it maybe be edited out

# ? Apr 20, 2024 00:22

MinutePirateBug: Mar 4, 2013

Zodium posted:

how can you tell

He told him he was on his ignore list in the doomsday economics

# ? Apr 20, 2024 00:22

Zodium: Jun 19, 2004

well then

# ? Apr 20, 2024 00:23

Cuttlefush: Jan 15, 2014; gotta have my purp

let's blow up thorn wishes talon and then share the video after putting garish music over it like we're hosed up little freaks arooooo

# ? Apr 20, 2024 01:09

DaysBefore: Jan 24, 2019

Epic Joe Biden guy posting war porn ftw

# ? Apr 20, 2024 01:13

Ardent Communist: Oct 17, 2010; ALLAH! MU'AMMAR! LIBYA WA BAS!

I love how even their propaganda shows that the russians (even their supposed casualties) are steadily advancing west.

# ? Apr 20, 2024 01:15

Cuttlefush: Jan 15, 2014; gotta have my purp

Thorn Wishes Talon posted:

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me to the hard working mod team:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArzyVUtZmp4&t=50s

# ? Apr 20, 2024 01:16

crepeface: Nov 5, 2004; r*p*f*c*

why are we getting the freaks all of a sudden? media finally admitting Ukraine's not in a good place? that they passed over a peace deal a year ago?

did the majesty of the turtle tank rouse their ire?!

# ? Apr 20, 2024 01:20