T. Howard posted:If you've ever looked at a development-stage world map for a game like Oblivion or Skyrim, you'll immediately notice that, frankly, it looks a lot like a maze. We've got all of the predicted routes plotted out, the anticipated player movements, the geographical plot progression. Eventually you realize that players are a lot like rats and the maps are a lot like mazes with cheese--some sort of tangible player reward--at the center. Once you understand that, it becomes really simple to build worlds and 'dungeons' that satisfy the player, because they are fundamentally a rat searching for that satisfying cheese. And our responsibility as developers is to funnel those players into the right directions so they can find that cheese faster.
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Boogaleeboo posted:That or the fact that every piece of random loot can be used in crafting means that Stimpacks will be more useful for barter, as you'll be using up every other drat fool thing in making poo poo.
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Sep 24, 2015 04:29
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Magmarashi posted:Following the vague, sometimes slightly incorrect journal entries to a quest objective in Morrowind was a goddamn nightmare of aimless wandering and quadruple checking poo poo then staring at rocks, especially with how the journal was arranged like a real loving journal. You can't even pretend that it was a better way of doing things. You are insanely stupid.
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Sep 24, 2015 04:46
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And the weird thing is, I even agree with you, you just seem like a complete moron.
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Sep 24, 2015 04:47
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Magmarashi posted:without those it has all the same pitfalls and shortcomings of the others. When a newer product made with newer technology has the same shortcomings of its predecessor, it is a failure. Especially if in the process it removes positive qualities.
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Sep 24, 2015 06:05
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This owns. I like Elijah trashing the PipBoy in Dead Money too.
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Sep 24, 2015 06:36
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Nasgate posted:When a newer product made with newer technology has the same shortcomings of its predecessor, it is a failure. Especially if in the process it removes positive qualities. It's only a failure to Bethesda if it fails to meet their expectations and Bethesda's expectation is to make a shitload of money, which it continues to do obscenely. I have no interest in discussing which games are or are not failures, merely pressing home that everyone has weird horse blinders and fickle double standards about one particular game in the series that really isn't different.
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Sep 24, 2015 06:44
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Magmarashi posted:It's only a failure to Bethesda if it fails to meet their expectations and Bethesda's expectation is to make a shitload of money, which it continues to do obscenely. Yeah, we should critique media works only by the measure of how profitable they end up being.
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Sep 24, 2015 07:07
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steinrokkan posted:Yeah, we should critique media works only by the measure of how profitable they end up being. "to Bethesda". The implication being that Bethesda doesn't care so much about how much of a success or failure their latest game is to us as long as it makes them shittons of money and all the popular websites say it is GAME OF THE YEAR or whatever. Which is loving dumb and I really wish they gave their work a little more love and care in the story departments instead of coasting along on mediocre but I also keep buying their stuff so I am part of the problem. Critique whatever based on whatever criteria you feel are most important to your personal experience. Magmarashi fucked around with this message at 07:18 on Sep 24, 2015 |
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Sep 24, 2015 07:14
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Nasgate posted:When a newer product made with newer technology has the same shortcomings of its predecessor, it is a failure. Especially if in the process it removes positive qualities. What exactly are the consequences for a game being a failure then? It hasn't seemed to affect the industry at large at all, despite this being repeatedly true for over two decades soon.
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Sep 24, 2015 07:37
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steinrokkan posted:Yeah, we should critique media works only by the measure of how profitable they end up being. You can critique it all you want but the immediate and driving force behind 'success' is money made.
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Sep 24, 2015 07:42
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Magmarashi posted:Following the vague, sometimes slightly incorrect journal entries to a quest objective in Morrowind was a goddamn nightmare of aimless wandering and quadruple checking poo poo then staring at rocks, especially with how the journal was arranged like a real loving journal. You can't even pretend that it was a better way of doing things. Magmarashi posted:Chests and crates in Morrowind were 90% candles, silverware, 1 gold coin and pillows with a chest occasionally of something really good but it was placed there intentionally, which it shares in common with Oblivion and Skyrim. A great deal of 'It was SO MUCH better!' is straight up rose-tinting. The only things that really set it apart were the crazy setting and the drug-tripped story, without those it has all the same pitfalls and shortcomings of the others. Morrowind wasn't a perfect game, but like someone else pointed out. When later entries in a series have the same problems an earlier one does while removing the best parts of it and adding very little, there's a problem. Mordaedil posted:What exactly are the consequences for a game being a failure then? It hasn't seemed to affect the industry at large at all, despite this being repeatedly true for over two decades soon. Nuebot fucked around with this message at 07:47 on Sep 24, 2015 |
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KakerMix posted:You can critique it all you want but the immediate and driving force behind 'success' is money made. But we're geeks (and/or geeky-ish folk) comparing videos games (3am in my timezone too). You can keep your money, it won't buy you the posts. Can't stop the posts. I just pre-ordered Fallout 4 for PS4 tonight for the record, along with Transformers Devastation. Heavy Metal fucked around with this message at 08:20 on Sep 24, 2015 |
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Pwnstar posted:This owns. I like Elijah trashing the PipBoy in Dead Money too. Taking the piss out of the conventions of your own medium is pretty important. Elijah calling your PipBoy a leash that tells you what to do and where to go was a great attack on the necessary evil of objective markers in giant open worlds. I loved it.
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Sep 24, 2015 08:31
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Magmarashi posted:"to Bethesda". The implication being that Bethesda doesn't care so much about how much of a success or failure their latest game is to us as long as it makes them shittons of money and all the popular websites say it is GAME OF THE YEAR or whatever. Which is loving dumb and I really wish they gave their work a little more love and care in the story departments instead of coasting along on mediocre but I also keep buying their stuff so I am part of the problem. The guy said "it's a failure because from my point of view as a consumer it's a step down", which you shut down with "well, it isn't a failure for Bethesda  " which was weirdly defensive. Is all.
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the great deceiver posted:Can't wait to play this game on my PS4 with a controller. Hope they dumb it down enough for me at the expense of all the crybaby nerd PC players Historically, Bethesda hasn't done right by PlayStation when it comes to Fallouts. Weren't 3 and NV unplayable due to memory bloat?
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Sep 24, 2015 11:16
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Can't wait for the mod that lets me replace the idiot dog with a cool cat.
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Sep 24, 2015 11:31
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Peztopiary posted:Can't wait for the mod that lets me replace the idiot dog with a cool cat. How many dicks will it have though?
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Sep 24, 2015 12:25
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Fallout Shelter chat: Don't like what you got from a lunchbox? Reload your save! (assuming you are making backups)
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Sep 24, 2015 12:27
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Moridin920 posted:Morrowind's setting was way more unique than Skyrim's imo. Okay sure, but when you say Skyrim is "Viking generic", which other games have that setting? I can't think of any.
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Sep 24, 2015 12:50
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Generic and Viking are hardly something you put in one sentence
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oh sure, it's a bearskin cloak, but he got it off the rack Is there a list for the monsters your dwellers encounter in Shelter? I haven't broken 4 days yet, but I figure there's more than Super Mutant Behemoths and Overlords out there. slicing up eyeballs fucked around with this message at 13:54 on Sep 24, 2015 |
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Sep 24, 2015 13:51
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Speedball posted:Taking the piss out of the conventions of your own medium is pretty important. Elijah calling your PipBoy a leash that tells you what to do and where to go was a great attack on the necessary evil of objective markers in giant open worlds. I loved it. Personally, I like how Phantom Pain does it. They give you a radius on your map, and then you can do stuff in-game to get actual tagged objective markers (interrogation, finding documents, following context clues, just getting lucky with the binocs).
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Sep 24, 2015 13:58
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steinrokkan posted:The guy said "it's a failure because from my point of view as a consumer it's a step down", which you shut down with "well, it isn't a failure for Bethesda It was expressed less like his opinion and more like it was a universal given that they are failures, which seems to be a thing a lot of people do when leveling criticism at Oblivion and Skyrim in comparison to Morrowind.
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Peztopiary posted:Historically, Bethesda hasn't done right by PlayStation when it comes to Fallouts. Weren't 3 and NV unplayable due to memory bloat? It took nearly 12 patches to finally make Skyrim properly playable on PS3, and we got the DLC's in reverse order because of all the troubles they had implementing them, Dragonborn was released first, followed by the House Building DLC and Dawnguard last.
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Please don't link to stuff on Bethsoft's website where you have to select country and confirm age, just link to the YouTube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsFpH4jm-QI
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sector_corrector posted:Please don't link to stuff on Bethsoft's website where you have to select country and confirm age, just link to the YouTube video: Good point, the twitter link I used didn't require it I think (or cookies helped me) but there's some extra writing on beth's page. That arm texture looks kinda crummy but oh well who cares i'm dumb
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Huh, it turns out that character creator site that someone mocked up a few weeks ago was fairly accurate. I guess they let you up your SPECIAL every one or two levels? Also noticing a lot of +X% to damage stuff in there. Typical Bethesda.
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Yeah, it's a shame there isn't like a CHA 7 perk for Make Your VA British or something e: it works like the sex perk in F2
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sector_corrector posted:Huh, it turns out that character creator site that someone mocked up a few weeks ago was fairly accurate. I guess they let you up your SPECIAL every one or two levels? Also noticing a lot of +X% to damage stuff in there. Typical Bethesda. No, you get a Perk each level. You can spend a Perk to up one SPECIAL stat.
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A 10 Cha build sounds great for ordering lovely npc's around. I hope it means also robbing people at (laser) gun point.
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sout posted:https://bethesda.net/#en/events/game/fallout-4s-character-system/2015/09/24/31 Their idea of a "focused and exotic" perk is +25% damage to an enemy. Bethesda sure is creative 
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sector_corrector posted:Huh, it turns out that character creator site that someone mocked up a few weeks ago was fairly accurate. I guess they let you up your SPECIAL every one or two levels? Also noticing a lot of +X% to damage stuff in there. Typical Bethesda. Talkc posted:A 10 Cha build sounds great for ordering lovely npc's around. I hope it means also robbing people at (laser) gun point.
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Bholder posted:Generic and Viking are hardly something you put in one sentence For real? There's all kinds of generic viking themed games out there. computer parts posted:Okay sure, but when you say Skyrim is "Viking generic", which other games have that setting? I can't think of any. Just the first two that popped up when I entered 'viking game steam' into Google. The landscape are basically the same. http://store.steampowered.com/app/234530/ http://store.steampowered.com/app/211160/ Look I liked Skyrim's landscapes and setting but lol come on they weren't very unique. Mountains, forests, snow, etc. Riften was the most interesting just because it was different. Compared to something like Morrowind it's generic setting as hell.
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So that Character system video had Lady Killer as a base Charisma perk. Either Confirmed Bachelor is within Lady Killer's own perk tree, or it's not in the game by the looks of it. If it is, you could be straight or bi. Doesn't seem to be a logical way to get a gay perk in there. Unless of course when you first pick the Charisma perk it asks you "Yo, wanna bang dudes or chicks?" and then gives you the appropriate perk.
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SunAndSpring posted:Their idea of a "focused and exotic" perk is +25% damage to an enemy. Bethesda sure is creative
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SunAndSpring posted:Their idea of a "focused and exotic" perk is +25% damage to an enemy. Bethesda sure is creative At least it's better than 3's "+10 to a skill" perks. Speaking of are skills still in? Haven't been paying attention.
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I like the sound of the new perk system, since the article says that each additional rank has something unique to add besides just 20% damage or whatever. I am curious if the perk poster will be easy to mod though. I'm reminded of Skyrim's constellation menu and how terribly built it was, in as much as I think modders were hard-coded out of adding additional skill trees to it.
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