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The one pack of Dark Ascension waters down the consistency of the ISD strategies enough that they are a lot tougher to assemble. It also has several powerful b/w tribal enablers to make it the strongest color combo. And w/u fliers gets a lot of new fliers as well. It does have Lost in the Woods which if you can do it makes it worth it.
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Bugsy posted:The one pack of Dark Ascension waters down the consistency of the ISD strategies enough that they are a lot tougher to assemble. It also has several powerful b/w tribal enablers to make it the strongest color combo. And w/u fliers gets a lot of new fliers as well. I still don't quite get how that deck works. You're still drawing a card every turn, so you will deck out about as fast as they will. You lose if they have a single Mental Note or whatever.
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Feb 10, 2016 01:24
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Everblight posted:I still don't quite get how that deck works. You're still drawing a card every turn, so you will deck out about as fast as they will. You lose if they have a single Mental Note or whatever. You put more cards in their deck and aggressively mulligan til you have it in your hand. All your other cards are Forest (Go for broke, just scoop all the lands out of the land box) so it's FOOL PROOF unless you dont draw it
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Feb 10, 2016 01:26
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Telex posted:the lore stuff going on is about a billion times more interesting than people discussing making pennies by spending dollars on cards.
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Feb 10, 2016 01:27
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Alright, so if I'm going to  and buy some old stuff to play draft and then build a cube out of, I should just do Innistrad by itself, correct?
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Feb 10, 2016 01:28
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Kylaer posted:Alright, so if I'm going to Homelands (the spiritual precursor to Innistrad) has like 5 playable cards in it and is a flavor match. Though I'd just steal the art, mock 'em up in MSE and knock (2) off of everything's cost if I was gonna do that.
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Feb 10, 2016 01:31
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So for removal in Rise Common: Bone Splinters: The only straight up destroy a creature spell to be had in the entire set. Decent chance of getting 2-0'd off this Death Wind: -x/-x for Xb. Hey this is actually ok(drat YOU ELYV CALLING ME OUT ON MISSING THIS) Necrobite: Not really removal, but it gives death touch and regen. you take what you can get Searchlight Geist: Can gain death touch for 3B Pillar of Flame: Holy hell, an actually kind of ok card. 2 for R and exiles. Sorcery though Defang: lovely pacifism. It can still attack and block Ghoulflesh: -1/-1 for B. Trememdous meeeeeeh Spectral Prison: the bottom of the barrel for blue doesn't untap auras Guise of Fire: well, it gives -1 toughness and costs 1 so we'll call it removal. Uncommon: Human Frailty: Probably alright, killing a human for B is ok with the amount of humans around Holy Justiciar: Expensive tapper if your opponent is playing a good deck, reusable removal if your opponent has zombies Lightning Prowess: An aura that costs as much as Prodigal Pyromancer/Sorceror to grant that ability+hast. Thunderous Justice: Either a 6 mana or a 1 mana 5 damage burn spell. probably ok if not in your opening hand as long as they give you a decent target Banishing Stroke: See above except it bottom of the libraries their creature and can't dome the opponent Vigilante Justice: There are enough humans around to make 1 damage per human ETB alright but not consistent Rare: Gallows at Willow Hill: Requires 3 untapped humans AND they get a spirit afterwards Angel of Glory's Rise: The nuclear option for all zombies+bonus human reanimation Dark Imposter: This guy is a loving boss if useless til T6 Spirit Away: 7cmc Mind Control Burn at the Stake: Provided you have guys you can kill just about anything for 5 mana and tapping 1-3 guys. Also can be a ginormous finisher Terminus: Basically a Wrath for either 1 or 6 mana. Mythic: Bonfire of the Damned: HOLY poo poo Also there is some scattered destroy target flyer/deal damage to flyer stuff. Also several cards that can flicker. Cloudshift and Ghostly Flicker at common, Nephalia Smuggler at Uncommon, and Deadeye Navigator and Restoration Angel at rare. But if you ever feel your removal is bad just be happy you aren't playing Avacyn Restored. Alaan fucked around with this message at 01:46 on Feb 10, 2016 |
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Feb 10, 2016 01:36
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To be completely fair, you forgot about Death Wind, one of the best common removal spells in the set. Of course, if you were playing it, you were playing black and therefore probably losing to trusted forcemages and mist ravens anyway.
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Feb 10, 2016 01:42
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Kylaer posted:Alright, so if I'm going to There are definitely INNx3 cubes, you have to curate it a bit though (1x every rare, 3x every common or whatever)
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Feb 10, 2016 01:43
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Or you could just proxy up some ISD packs with a draft generator and use those if you don't feel like spending more than some printer ink and about 5 bucks of printing paper.
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Feb 10, 2016 01:44
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Elyv posted:To be completely fair, you forgot about Death Wind, one of the best common removal spells in the set. Yeah I searched destroy, exile, bottom, damage, and aura. so missed Death Wind E: and sac effects. I am so off my game tonight. So add Barter in Blood, Killing Wave, and Rite of Ruin, and Ulvenwald Tracker fighting. Three of those are rare though. Alaan fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Feb 10, 2016 |
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Feb 10, 2016 01:49
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As bad as Green turned out to be in BFZ, Black in Avacyn Restored was worse.
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Feb 10, 2016 01:51
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Hellsau posted:As bad as Green turned out to be in BFZ, Black in Avacyn Restored was worse. I don't know if I agree with that but they're both pretty bad. You know what a fair card in limited is, by the way? Druid's Familiar. Turn 3 Trusted Forcemage, turn 4 Druid's Familiar, attack for 5. Turn 5 attack for 10, even with no 2 drop. What a format.
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Feb 10, 2016 02:01
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Hellsau posted:As bad as Green turned out to be in BFZ, Black in Avacyn Restored was worse. I mean it was the color of ANGELS and ANGELS are the color of WHITE and WHITE is the enemy of BLACK and thus this makes SENSE OR WHATEVER. Why wasn't there a Black Angel anyway, Sorin's BW.
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Feb 10, 2016 02:01
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Count Bleck posted:I mean it was the color of ANGELS and ANGELS are the color of WHITE and WHITE is the enemy of BLACK and thus this makes SENSE OR WHATEVER. Griselbrand basically ate the black Angel slot. I still think Avacyn should have been BW though.
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Feb 10, 2016 02:05
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Calling it now, Tamiyo faked her own death because whatever she uncovered in the murder mystery was too dangerous for her to handle on her own and had to go into hiding until the Actually Important Characters came to handle it and save her.Everblight posted:I still don't quite get how that deck works. You're still drawing a card every turn, so you will deck out about as fast as they will. You lose if they have a single Mental Note or whatever. My DKA release sealed pool was garbage so I played Four Color Trash and just hoped to get a game win before playing the dreaded 44 forest Lost in the Woods deck. Pretty sure I x-0'd that release
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Feb 10, 2016 02:08
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Relevant to the discussion a few pages back about what a cool guy Caleb Durward is, the last video of his latest set on CFB has a guy with a foiled out Affinity deck who gets salty when Caleb starts dismantling him. It's pretty awesome.rabidsquid posted:Calling it now, Tamiyo faked her own death because whatever she uncovered in the murder mystery was too dangerous for her to handle on her own and had to go into hiding until the Actually Important Characters came to handle it and save her. Is "Tamiyo is dead" an actual thing that we know about or have grounds to suspect, vs. her just having noped out of Innistrad regardless of how cool its moon is? I love rabidsquidposting but I'm not sure what level of it I'm dealing with here.
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Feb 10, 2016 03:00
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Why do people need prizes to draft with friends? Isn't having fun the point of magic...nvm.
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Feb 10, 2016 03:05
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JerryLee posted:Is "Tamiyo is dead" an actual thing that we know about or have grounds to suspect, vs. her just having noped out of Innistrad regardless of how cool its moon is? "I'm certain that the fate of Markov Manor is connected to these cryptoliths...' This Tamiyo was on to something." That said it could just be that she left the plane at some point.
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Feb 10, 2016 03:15
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hopefully she left to go study some other cool moons, and we'll catch up with her on one of the cooler planes from planechase E: That said, I don't think current wotc creative is willing to use one of the 5 planeswalker slots in a block for a side character who doesn't really flesh out the block's story/background
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Feb 10, 2016 03:27
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GeneX posted:E: That said, I don't think current wotc creative is willing to use one of the 5 planeswalker slots in a block for a side character who doesn't really flesh out the block's story/background This interpretation assumes that Innistrad's Weird As gently caress Moon isn't even a tiny part of why we're back.. which is probably right and definitely disappointing 
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Feb 10, 2016 03:34
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GeneX posted:E: That said, I don't think current wotc creative is willing to use one of the 5 planeswalker slots in a block for a side character who doesn't really flesh out the block's story/background They do this in basically every block though?
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Niton posted:This interpretation assumes that Innistrad's Weird As gently caress Moon isn't even a tiny part of why we're back.. which is probably right and definitely disappointing The second set of the block is literally named Eldritch Moon.
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Feb 10, 2016 03:39
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Yeah BFZ is the first block in quite a while without some new schlub just showing up and being like "Yo I'm the new walker in town." because basically 10 walkers had a reasonable excuse to be on Zendikar at this point.
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Feb 10, 2016 03:39
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Elyv posted:The second set of the block is literally named Eldritch Moon. And they somehow couldn't figure out how to get small, low-cmc dragons into Dragons of Tarkir. Less than half a year later, Battle for Zendikar, filled with small, low-cmc versions of an iconic large creature, was released. Creative is terrible beyond words, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if they thought the name of the second set wasn't enough of a connection to "Moon Mage" to include her. Niton fucked around with this message at 03:44 on Feb 10, 2016 |
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Niton posted:And they somehow couldn't figure out how to get small, low-cmc dragons into Dragons of Tarkir. Less than half a year later, Battle for Zendikar, filled with small, low-cmc versions of an iconic large creature, was released. Creative is terrible beyond words. They also couldn't find a way to put a dragon at common in Dragons of Tarkir... two months after they put a dragon at common in Fate Reforged.
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Feb 10, 2016 03:45
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I mean at least the flavor text means they haven't forgotten her entirely. I can imagine they would want her to return on a different plane just to emphasize that she moves around 
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I hope Ashiok shows up in Eldritch Moon. Nightmares becoming reality would be the perfect theme for an Innistrad set. It also helps that Ashiok was a fantastic design even though they did gently caress-all storywise the only time they showed up in Theros. Granted I doubt it would actually happen, having a Blue/Black walker in a set where a Blue and a Black walker are heavily promoted is very unlikely to happen.
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Feb 10, 2016 03:53
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Alris posted:I hope Ashiok shows up in Eldritch Moon. Nightmares becoming reality would be the perfect theme for an Innistrad set. It also helps that Ashiok was a fantastic design even though they did gently caress-all storywise the only time they showed up in Theros. Um Ashiok hosed up Duck Faygo Greatest Thief in the Multiverse whilst he rolled some random town on Theros.
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Feb 10, 2016 04:16
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JerryLee posted:Is "Tamiyo is dead" an actual thing that we know about or have grounds to suspect, vs. her just having noped out of Innistrad regardless of how cool its moon is? I am just dropping spoilers for the overarching Shadows over Relentless Rats story.
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Chris Pikula just made the hugest punt in tutoring for a tinker into blightsteel with 2 extra turns lined up against a 2/2 defender He cast chain of vapor to remove the defender (even though he had tons of turns to get the kill) which let Randy sac a land to re-cast chain to bounce the blightsteel But then Chris managed to timetwister into Dark Ritual, Tendrils Apparently he was trying to be entertaining in not just Tendriling.
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Feb 10, 2016 04:28
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The shadow over Innistrad is actually being cast by a giant groundhog.
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Feb 10, 2016 04:28
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I think he also made multiple major punts earlier in that turn and was bailed out by Time Twister, Time Walk and Yawgmoth's Will.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I think he also made multiple major punts earlier in that turn and was bailed out by Time Twister, Time Walk and Yawgmoth's Will. much better faerie godmothers than arcbound ravager
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Feb 10, 2016 04:33
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I actually can't think of a better detective than an infinite number of tireless workers.
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Feb 10, 2016 04:35
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Count Bleck posted:Um Ashiok hosed up Duck Faygo Greatest Thief in the Multiverse whilst he rolled some random town on Theros. What is Dock up to right now anyway?
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Feb 10, 2016 04:48
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Ramos posted:What is Dock up to right now anyway? Last seen he was breaking into the Underworld for Reasons. I'm hoping he breaks out Elspeth and steals the hero role from Ajani.
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Feb 10, 2016 04:56
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Pauper is a lot of fun to brew in. Trying an eldrazi scion/spawn deck with morbid (tragic slip too good) and nantuko husk. Then throw in rancor and vines because why not I'm in green. So far its working pretty well.
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The Lord of Hats posted:I am going to throw words at you now! Kind of late but BR can be really good if you just go balls deep and chain a ton of Bump in The Nights. One of the funniest drafts I did in triple was RB with 3 bumps and 2 brimstone volleys. E: Oh yeah and pitchburn devils. Its certainly not the best but it can work. Bread Set Jettison fucked around with this message at 05:56 on Feb 10, 2016 |
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Bread Set Jettison posted:Kind of late but BR can be really good if you just go balls deep and chain a ton of Bump in The Nights. One of the funniest drafts I did in triple was RB with 3 bumps and 2 brimstone volleys. If red is so wide open you're getting double brimstone volley, then yeah, RB can work sure.
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