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`Nemesis
Dec 30, 2000

railroad graffiti
You can also get things like this for the hydraulic jack. I have a similar item I got years and years ago, works well.

https://www.amazon.com/Saddle-Adapter-Rocker-DP-Company/dp/B01N1ID2KZ

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Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
I've got a pre-pinch weld frame, and hate trying to get jackstands lined up so it probably won't tip.

lol internet.
Sep 4, 2007
the internet makes you stupid
I have a 2007 Scion TC which burns 1qt or more every 1000 miles. This is a known issue with Toyota, they never issued a recall but some fix which I didn't realize until after the 10 year guarantee already passed.

So here I am filling up 1qt of oil every 1000 miles. If I left the car for the 3000 miles, it's essentially empty on oil.

Given that the car is over 10 years and has 140k miles on it and is worth probably less then 2k. I don't want to get it fixed because it will cost more then the car is worth.

How much of a bad idea would it be to switch from synthetic oil to regular to save on costs of refilling oil at 1000 mile increments? I mean, the synthetic oil would burn 4qt basically by 3000 miles, for sure by 5000 miles.

DaveSauce
Feb 15, 2004

Oh, how awkward.

spog posted:


For what you are doing, it is perfectly possible for the car to be supported entirely on just the jack and be sturdy enough for the wheel/oil stuff you want to do. The jack stands can sit under the car, not supporting the weight, but be there in case there is an issue with the jack and the car falls off it.

The main problem is that I have FWD and non-directional tires, so I need to cross wheels when I rotate them. The only way I can see to do this is to put the rear end on jack stands, then use the floor jack to do the front wheels one at a time. This will end up with 3 wheels in the air at any given time, so I need the jack stands to be supporting the weight of the car. I guess I could use the spare donut as a placeholder and do it all with just the floor jack and one wheel at a time, but that seems like it'd take forever.

Actually now that I think about it, that wouldn't be so bad...considering my alternative, that might be the most straight forward way to rotate my tires.

I'm less concerned about changing the oil, but my car is pretty low to the ground, and there is a panel that I need to remove to get access to the drain plug and filter...so I have no choice but to actually be under the car.

I see what you're getting at, but I would feel safer with weight actually on the jack stands. This way I know they're doing their job and supporting the car. I feel like if they're not taking the weight, then if the floor jack lets loose then there's no real guarantee that the jack stands wouldn't move/shift/tip under the force of a falling car. Not to mention that even if the car falls and the jack stands do their job, I would still die from a heart attack.

Also, I've only tried jacking up the rear so far, but I've read that most floor jacks can't reach the front crossmember center jack point on my car. At least not without severely limited handle motion. I might be able to reach it from behind the front wheels, but I'd have to check. So to get the front end up, I might be stuck jacking each side up individually, which could prove to be a massive pain.

Also wheel ramps are not an option for oil changes...front end is too low, I'm pretty sure it'll hit the ramps before the wheels contact.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

https://www.harborfreight.com/rubber-pads-for-jack-stand-2-pc-63373.html

DogonCrook
Apr 24, 2016

I think my 20 years as hurricane chaser might be a little relevant ive been through more hurricanws than moat shiitty newscasters

lol internet. posted:

I have a 2007 Scion TC which burns 1qt or more every 1000 miles. This is a known issue with Toyota, they never issued a recall but some fix which I didn't realize until after the 10 year guarantee already passed.

So here I am filling up 1qt of oil every 1000 miles. If I left the car for the 3000 miles, it's essentially empty on oil.

Given that the car is over 10 years and has 140k miles on it and is worth probably less then 2k. I don't want to get it fixed because it will cost more then the car is worth.

How much of a bad idea would it be to switch from synthetic oil to regular to save on costs of refilling oil at 1000 mile increments? I mean, the synthetic oil would burn 4qt basically by 3000 miles, for sure by 5000 miles.

You are burning through oil so fast it could never go bad. Sounds like a rotory lol. If you have any info on the issue can you shoot a link? im curious whats causing it.

I would definetly switch to regular oil for cost and if this is an issue where the oil is burning off for some reason, regular oil will burn away cleaner. Make sure you stay on top of oil filter changes though.

As for how often to drain everything and swap, have you ever seen dirty oil come out of it during a change? I woukd do every 5k but basically just to remove any sediment from the bottome of the pan and to inspect. Thats really just so you catch any issues like metal flakes or to make sure no sediment is in there or other fluids. Your oil will always be so fresh that its life isnt going to come into play.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

DogonCrook posted:

You are burning through oil so fast it could never go bad. Sounds like a rotory lol. If you have any info on the issue can you shoot a link? im curious whats causing it.

I would definetly switch to regular oil for cost and if this is an issue where the oil is burning off for some reason, regular oil will burn away cleaner. Make sure you stay on top of oil filter changes though.

As for how often to drain everything and swap, have you ever seen dirty oil come out of it during a change? I woukd do every 5k but basically just to remove any sediment from the bottome of the pan and to inspect. Thats really just so you catch any issues like metal flakes or to make sure no sediment is in there or other fluids. Your oil will always be so fresh that its life isnt going to come into play.

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2016/MC-10084308-5448.pdf
https://www.youcanic.com/toyota/toyota-engine-oil-consumption

It's not a recall, it's a "warranty enhancement."

Basically, bad piston rings on these Toyotas:
2007-2009 Camry
2007-2011 Camry Hybrid
2007-2008 Solara
2009 Corolla
2009 Matrix
2006-2008 Rav4
2007-2008 Scion Tc
2008-2009 Scion Xb

lol internet.
Sep 4, 2007
the internet makes you stupid

DogonCrook posted:

You are burning through oil so fast it could never go bad. Sounds like a rotory lol. If you have any info on the issue can you shoot a link? im curious whats causing it.

I would definetly switch to regular oil for cost and if this is an issue where the oil is burning off for some reason, regular oil will burn away cleaner. Make sure you stay on top of oil filter changes though.

As for how often to drain everything and swap, have you ever seen dirty oil come out of it during a change? I woukd do every 5k but basically just to remove any sediment from the bottome of the pan and to inspect. Thats really just so you catch any issues like metal flakes or to make sure no sediment is in there or other fluids. Your oil will always be so fresh that its life isnt going to come into play.

I only started noticing this in the last year since I took on the oil change myself now that I have a house. I drove from east coast to west on a fresh new oil change and when I arrived to do an oil change out west, they told me there's like no oil in it.. it made me thought my mechanic back east was screwing me over somehow.. so the next time I went to finally do my oil change, I noticed like nothing dripped out of the god drat tray.

I normally do oil changes at 3k, but I figure I could do it at 5k.

This is the detail on the oil burn issue, this affects TONS of Toyota/Scion engines and has something to do with the pistons: http://www.toyotaproblems.com/trends/excessive-oil-consumption/

quote:

Some 2006 – 2011 model year vehicles equipped with the 2AZ-FE engine may exhibit engine oil consumption. The piston assembly has been changed to minimize oil consumption.” And that “P030# (cylinder # misfire detected) DTC may also be set as a result of oil consumption.

So I found this out just after my 10 year mark so I can't get it fixed free and from what I understand it's an expensive process to fix as they need to basically open up the engine.

Thanks though, I'll start grabbing cheap oil. I just need the car to last another 5-10 years.

edit: youtube video of issue explained

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgdZSXOslDM

lol internet. fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Aug 1, 2017

0toShifty
Aug 21, 2005
0 to Stiffy?
1 quart per 1000 miles is not TOO bad. In fact, VW and Audi say that's "Normal" oil consumption.

So yes - I'd just go to walmart and get the cheapest crap oil and keep fillin' it up, because it's way cheaper than a new engine. $5000 buys like 400 quarts of walmart oil!

DogonCrook
Apr 24, 2016

I think my 20 years as hurricane chaser might be a little relevant ive been through more hurricanws than moat shiitty newscasters
Yeah stick with regular oil itll burn better. Watch yoir sparkplugs real close because those are innevitably going to foul earlier. Small batch oil is allowed to have more zinc so if you can find a cheap source of brad penn or something similar i would go with that. There are zinc additives too. Its not a huge deal with modern engines but if its lists zinc get the one with the most in it. Its doubtfull but it may slow this down a bit.

Also floor that poo poo to redline once a week getting on the freeway or whatever. When you can get away with really get on it. May want to look into seafoam and do that once a year or every other year. Other than oil consumption you just want to watch out fpr the fact yoir spark will degrade faster than it should and you may build up deposits much faster. Thats what you want to keep an eye on in your oil. Other than cost itll probably not do any real damage if you can keep it clean in there.

Michael Scott
Jan 3, 2010

by zen death robot
My 2013 Audi A4 consumes nearly that amount. Maybe half a quart. It doesn't come with a dipstick, only a digital monitor that reads between max and min, so I am not sure what that translates to in quarts.

Why are even newer VW/Audi engines so bad at avoiding blow-by? What is it they do that other makers don't?

DogonCrook
Apr 24, 2016

I think my 20 years as hurricane chaser might be a little relevant ive been through more hurricanws than moat shiitty newscasters
Thats a problem thats been solved for 70 years at least. An engineer hosed up or they broke them in wrong but thats pretty unlikely.

RIP Paul Walker
Feb 26, 2004

I took my van into a quick lube place to get an oil change, and they broke the oil pressure sensor which ended up making a huge mess. I'm not upset about anything other than the goddamn oil mess and time sink that is getting it fixed.

I've already called and spoken to management, I'm going to replace the part, they'll reimburse me and have offered up a few free oil changes. Thing is, I normally do my own oil changes (this is the first time in well over a decade I've taken a car somewhere) and I don't see that changing. I'm not sure what I should be asking for here.

The engine has pumped out almost all of its oil and getting this fixed is a massive inconvenience as it is my only car right now (so no way to go pick up parts). I assume the engine will be fine since it never ran out of oil and still sounds fine.

Considering the van is a total shitbox, but I value my time greatly, what should I be asking for from them? Part reimbursement + book time, transit time to deal with part-gathering, and time + materials for mess cleanup? Should I ask for more, or is that already unreasonable?

Javid
Oct 21, 2004

:jpmf:
89 cougar

Seems to be running hotter than usual. Until this summer, I could just run the AC all day and it wouldn't make the coolant temp go up unless I was idling in one spot for 20+ mins, but now it will start heating up at any moderately long red light. As a specific example, Sunday I drove up a long grade (route 46 in Oregon); as I went up the temp climbed up higher than normal but never passed the top of the "normal" range. Could audibly hear the coolant (currently all water) boiling. When I checked the coolant after the car had cooled off I hadn't lost any.


It's borderline enough that I'm not 100% SURE there's an issue, because we're also in a big heat wave here. But it does feel like it shouldn't be doing this stuff, especially the boiling which I know isn't normal. The radiator is two years old, and I've replaced the lower hose and cap in the last couple months.

Michael Scott
Jan 3, 2010

by zen death robot

DogonCrook posted:

Thats a problem thats been solved for 70 years at least. An engineer hosed up or they broke them in wrong but thats pretty unlikely.

I don't understand your answer. This is a consistent problem with VW/Audi and other sporadic makes.

DogonCrook
Apr 24, 2016

I think my 20 years as hurricane chaser might be a little relevant ive been through more hurricanws than moat shiitty newscasters
I mean they dont need to be pushing any limits on ring alloys or tolerances. I dont know why they are doing it but ring wear isnt some arcane art. They hosed up and at the end of the day whats even the payoff? Rings shouldnt be letting that much oil by.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

Javid posted:

89 cougar

Seems to be running hotter than usual. Until this summer, I could just run the AC all day and it wouldn't make the coolant temp go up unless I was idling in one spot for 20+ mins, but now it will start heating up at any moderately long red light. As a specific example, Sunday I drove up a long grade (route 46 in Oregon); as I went up the temp climbed up higher than normal but never passed the top of the "normal" range. Could audibly hear the coolant (currently all water) boiling. When I checked the coolant after the car had cooled off I hadn't lost any.


It's borderline enough that I'm not 100% SURE there's an issue, because we're also in a big heat wave here. But it does feel like it shouldn't be doing this stuff, especially the boiling which I know isn't normal. The radiator is two years old, and I've replaced the lower hose and cap in the last couple months.

Maybe the fan isn't cycling properly. Could be the temperature sensor or the motor itself.

DogonCrook
Apr 24, 2016

I think my 20 years as hurricane chaser might be a little relevant ive been through more hurricanws than moat shiitty newscasters
Ive never seen an accurate temp gauge either so if you can get 15 dollars of use out of a ir thermometer from home depot or Amazon pick one up and see where you are really even at.

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


Josh Lyman posted:

Previous owner had engine coolant service at 104k miles, that was 14 months ago. Currently 131.5k. The inverter coolant reservoir is 100% full but the engine reservoir is empty. $26 for Toyota SLLC on Amazon :negative: At least I'll be able to use for drain/fill on inverter loop at 150k per Toyota maintenance schedule.

Brake fluid is a very good level.
Inauspicious news. 9 days since I added coolant and I checked the levels while getting gas.

The overflow reservoir has dropped from full to low, but I don't see any coolant on the ground when I leave my carport. Earlier tonight, I stopped for about 30 minutes to eat after running a errands for an hour and didn't see anything on the ground when leaving.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

Josh Lyman posted:

Inauspicious news. 9 days since I added coolant and I checked the levels while getting gas.

The overflow reservoir has dropped from full to low, but I don't see any coolant on the ground when I leave my carport. Earlier tonight, I stopped for about 30 minutes to eat after running a errands for an hour and didn't see anything on the ground when leaving.

All that coolant is going somewhere. If it's not leaking externally, it's likely leaking internally into a cylinder via a bad head gasket. Check your oil and see if it looks like a milkshake.

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


Deteriorata posted:

All that coolant is going somewhere. If it's not leaking externally, it's likely leaking internally into a cylinder via a bad head gasket. Check your oil and see if it looks like a milkshake.
I checked my oil at the same time and it seemed okay, normal brownish color?

rdb
Jul 8, 2002
chicken mctesticles?
Just FYI if you need coolant for a toyota again zerex asian formula works fine, is available in the parts stores/walmart, and is a lot cheaper. I use it in my own toyotas.

Its possible you had bubbles in the cooling system when you refilled it. Top it off again and see if it continues to disappear.

A blown head gasket will make the oil look like a peanut butter milkshake if its bad enough. If its just a little leak there will be peanut butter milkshake on the underside of the oil cap.

DogonCrook
Apr 24, 2016

I think my 20 years as hurricane chaser might be a little relevant ive been through more hurricanws than moat shiitty newscasters
You can buy an oil test kit from wix on amazon and you send it off and they can tell you if you have a leak.

A vac gauge is the easiest way to figure out a lot of internal problems and learning how to use it will save your rear end. Its like 10 bucks and its really the only way to tell whats going on internally without pulling it apart. Its also really easy to do. If theres a leak in the head gasket it will show up on a vac gauge.

http://www.onallcylinders.com/2015/05/08/quick-tech-how-to-read-a-vacuum-gauge-to-pinpoint-engine-problems/

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


rdb posted:

Just FYI if you need coolant for a toyota again zerex asian formula works fine, is available in the parts stores/walmart, and is a lot cheaper. I use it in my own toyotas.

Its possible you had bubbles in the cooling system when you refilled it. Top it off again and see if it continues to disappear.

A blown head gasket will make the oil look like a peanut butter milkshake if its bad enough. If its just a little leak there will be peanut butter milkshake on the underside of the oil cap.
Not sure if this is milkshake under the cap



rdb
Jul 8, 2002
chicken mctesticles?
Looks normal.

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


rdb posted:

Looks normal.
I will say, bubbles seem very reasonable. When I was putting coolant into the radiator, it didn't go down smoothly, lots of "choking".

DogonCrook
Apr 24, 2016

I think my 20 years as hurricane chaser might be a little relevant ive been through more hurricanws than moat shiitty newscasters
Brown milky oil isnt normal thats water.

rdb
Jul 8, 2002
chicken mctesticles?
There is another piece of metal, in this case aluminum underneath the oil fill port. What your seeing is light, clean oil over aluminum, same as whats on the bottom of the cap and around the edge.

You can see the very edge of the plate on the left corner.

DogonCrook
Apr 24, 2016

I think my 20 years as hurricane chaser might be a little relevant ive been through more hurricanws than moat shiitty newscasters
That makes sense. The lighting is just right so it nails the color you dont want to see lol.

The Royal Nonesuch
Nov 1, 2005

RIP Paul Walker posted:

I took my van into a quick lube place to get an oil change, and they broke the oil pressure sensor which ended up making a huge mess. I'm not upset about anything other than the goddamn oil mess and time sink that is getting it fixed.

I've already called and spoken to management, I'm going to replace the part, they'll reimburse me and have offered up a few free oil changes. Thing is, I normally do my own oil changes (this is the first time in well over a decade I've taken a car somewhere) and I don't see that changing. I'm not sure what I should be asking for here.

The engine has pumped out almost all of its oil and getting this fixed is a massive inconvenience as it is my only car right now (so no way to go pick up parts). I assume the engine will be fine since it never ran out of oil and still sounds fine.

Considering the van is a total shitbox, but I value my time greatly, what should I be asking for from them? Part reimbursement + book time, transit time to deal with part-gathering, and time + materials for mess cleanup? Should I ask for more, or is that already unreasonable?

Yeah that's kind of a weird one. The free oil changes mean nothing to them, and an equal amount of nothing to you. Since it's your only car and you need a part, you could try to demand one or two day's worth of rental car reimbursement. I pretty sincerely doubt you're going to get book/transit time from them outside of small claims court, which will cost you more in your valued time than just grinning/bearing it. Assuming your engine isn't actually damaged, I'd bill them for the part+oil, and post a scathing review on yelp/google once the funds cleared :v:

Michael Scott
Jan 3, 2010

by zen death robot

The Royal Nonesuch posted:

Yeah that's kind of a weird one. The free oil changes mean nothing to them, and an equal amount of nothing to you. Since it's your only car and you need a part, you could try to demand one or two day's worth of rental car reimbursement. I pretty sincerely doubt you're going to get book/transit time from them outside of small claims court, which will cost you more in your valued time than just grinning/bearing it. Assuming your engine isn't actually damaged, I'd bill them for the part+oil, and post a scathing review on yelp/google once the funds cleared :v:

I would also have them pay for an inspection at a mechanic to verify that no damage was done to pistons, valves etc. by a low oil condition. Assuming the OP isn't capable of that himself, I wouldn't be.

Content: how much would this bug you? I changed a burned out HIDzzzzzz bulb but not in a pair, and the color is different. :( I think I will shell out for another bulb, just curious if this would bug any of you.

randomidiot
May 12, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 11 years!)

That would annoy the gently caress out of me.

Raluek
Nov 3, 2006

WUT.

Michael Scott posted:

I would also have them pay for an inspection at a mechanic to verify that no damage was done to pistons, valves etc. by a low oil condition. Assuming the OP isn't capable of that himself, I wouldn't be.

This requires tearing down the motor, so pretty much nowhere is going to do this for a reasonable amount of money.

Literally Lewis Hamilton
Feb 22, 2005



Michael Scott posted:

I would also have them pay for an inspection at a mechanic to verify that no damage was done to pistons, valves etc. by a low oil condition. Assuming the OP isn't capable of that himself, I wouldn't be.


Nobody will agree to pay for this. It's a fuckton of labor dollars.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

DogonCrook posted:

Ive never seen an accurate temp gauge either so if you can get 15 dollars of use out of a ir thermometer from home depot or Amazon pick one up and see where you are really even at.

Oddly enough the gauge in my '12 Wrangler actually moves as the temp changes. I can pick out the difference between 205 and 215 despite it looking like a generic idiot light replacement.

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





Yu-Gi-Ho! posted:

That would annoy the gently caress out of me.

I'm not seeing it, but color shift between a new and a heavily-used HID is A Thing. The HIDs on my MS3 went very purple before they burnt out.

Godholio posted:

Oddly enough the gauge in my '12 Wrangler actually moves as the temp changes. I can pick out the difference between 205 and 215 despite it looking like a generic idiot light replacement.

Have you validated it against OBDII? Jeep does seem to stick with temp gauges that actually move (instead of a GM gauge that is programmed to stay dead nuts center for a wide range), but what the gauge "says" on my WJ is at least 10 degrees off of what OBDII reports. It doesn't help that the gauge scale is non-linear.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
That's how I noticed, actually. I assumed the gauge was a typical low-normal-high but I wanted to see what temps the engine was seeing with a new radiator. I don't think it's actually linear, but there's some movement in the center that matches the readings.

DogonCrook
Apr 24, 2016

I think my 20 years as hurricane chaser might be a little relevant ive been through more hurricanws than moat shiitty newscasters
Thats actually pretty cool. Offroad is probably the only time temp gauge accuracy even matters for the most part.

RIP Paul Walker
Feb 26, 2004

The Royal Nonesuch posted:

Yeah that's kind of a weird one. The free oil changes mean nothing to them, and an equal amount of nothing to you. Since it's your only car and you need a part, you could try to demand one or two day's worth of rental car reimbursement. I pretty sincerely doubt you're going to get book/transit time from them outside of small claims court, which will cost you more in your valued time than just grinning/bearing it. Assuming your engine isn't actually damaged, I'd bill them for the part+oil, and post a scathing review on yelp/google once the funds cleared :v:

That's not a bad idea about the rental car bit. I rent a shop within walking distance to my house, and a part store within walking distance happened to have a new sensor in stock - I was able to get it fixed last night no problem (though those motherfuckers had the filter on SO GODDAMN TIGHT that my oil filter pliers had to work extra-hard to get it off).

I will itemize my part + time costs, and if they pay they pay, and if not they don't. I may pursue it, depending on available time. Engine certainly isn't damaged, or at least not enough that I would care. I'll revisit the thread after a final decision has been made by them/me/the court(s), in case anyone else is curious what this situation is like.

This is just what I get for trying to be lazy. I have a shop with a lift, could have easily done this myself, but there was a car on the lift and another barely-running shitbox in the way... This ended up being way more work and way more getting dirty than just doing a loving oil change would have been.

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Jack B Nimble
Dec 25, 2007


Soiled Meat
My girlfriends 05 ford Taurus lost all power to wheels while driving. I wasn't in the call when it happened and this is all second hand.

I changed the oil a couple days ago.

The engine apparently sounded fine, and would run, stop, and start, and would increase in RPMs when given gas, but the car would not go in drive or 2 (she didn't try reverse).

I drove the car not a week ago and the transmission shifted fine - no noise, no problem hunting for gears. Could something really bad have failed on the transmission with no prior warning?

Oh, also, the check engine light has been one the whole time she's had it and it seems no one, myself included, bothered to look into that.

Edit - gently caress, the splines on the torque converter went, didn't they? http://www.taurusclub.com/forum/82-maintenance-repair/171569-2004-taurus-failed-transmission.html

Jack B Nimble fucked around with this message at 00:47 on Aug 3, 2017

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