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Shiba Inus live for about 12-15 years, and I'm guessing Koro was about 4-5 by the end of P3? He's getting up there, but he should still have plenty left in the engine.
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Starting up SMTIV. Seems pretty self-explanatory thus far, but will it directly list my Law/Chaos score down the road? I'm assuming yes, because otherwise that will take maintaining a certain level (slightly chaos before the final decision) a little troublesome. I'm only 40 minutes in but I figured I'd ask anyway.
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Dec 25, 2013 17:20
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I'd also like to know if that's the case, because I feel like I'm leaning towards Law but have no idea how far, and I'd really like to get Neutral. I was keeping track of it for a while but the values in the guide I was using were apparently inaccurate.
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Dec 25, 2013 17:24
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No, you'll never see an actual value. Once you get to Shibuya (I think, or Ikebukuro) you can go into bars and talk to a patron who will give a statement indicating which path you are on currently (ex. "Hard to get a read on" is Neutral), but that's the best you'll get.
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Dec 25, 2013 17:34
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Alignments in SMTIV are a fickle thing in that sometimes it's tough to really tell what could end you up on what side and by the time you know, you're trying to actively to get what you want. If you're going for a specific alignment you're better off looking up what choices do what to alignments, even things you say in the middle of boss fights can have an effect on your alignment.
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Dec 25, 2013 17:38
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The only route on which you'd need to keep track is Neutral though, the choices for Law and Chaos are kind of obvious and is easy to leaning on one of those alignments.
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Dec 25, 2013 17:52
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Do note that due to the way the final alignment choices work, it is entirely possible to be "too neutral" to get the neutral ending. Yes, that makes no sense at all. Yes, it's kind of annoying.
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Dec 25, 2013 17:54
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The OP for the game mentions getting 5 Law points at the end (I'm assuming this is the red button decision in the FAQ), and then the one after that is +10/-10. So all told you will either be -5 or +15? Wouldn't slightly Law be the safest then? Rather than slightly Chaos which is what I heard a lot. Unless the +5 is from something else.
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Dec 25, 2013 17:58
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I don't know the exact values but is recommended to slightly lean to chaos since the last option it gives you laws points no matter what you do. I managed to get Neutral on my first playthrough bouncing between the two alignments, but maybe I just got lucky 
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Dec 25, 2013 18:05
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To put it simply, is the automatic +5 before or after the +10/-10 decision? If it's after and just not listed in the Alignment FAQ, that would make it easy to do +5/-10/+5 and cancel out the last three decisions effectively.
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Dec 25, 2013 18:17
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Nate RFB posted:To put it simply, is the automatic +5 before or after the +10/-10 decision? If it's after and just not listed in the Alignment FAQ, that would make it easy to do +5/-10/+5 and cancel out the last three decisions effectively. Before.
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Dec 25, 2013 18:41
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I guess the math doesn't work out perfectly or something to get to that point in the first place, but why skew Chaos then? Seems like it'd be easier to be slightly Law and then do +5 and -10.
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Dec 25, 2013 19:31
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Because there are more law mandate 'choices' and you might be too law to achieve Neutral.
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Dec 25, 2013 19:37
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Nate RFB posted:I guess the math doesn't work out perfectly or something to get to that point in the first place, but why skew Chaos then? Seems like it'd be easier to be slightly Law and then do +5 and -10. After a certain point, you get a bunch of mandatory choices that should all cancel out, including the +5 Law in the end. The optional choices are the ones that give more Law points than Chaos points, iirc. I was leaning Chaos going in, picked the Law leaning choices, and then went -10 in the end to get neutral. I also did the opposite in a second playthrough not really planning on getting neutral but was able to get it again anyway.
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Dec 25, 2013 20:18
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Merry Christmas, Famitsu posted some sample tracks for PQ: Persona 3 Protagonist route battle music: http://eb-dl.pod.tv/sound/131226_personaq01.wav Dungeon music: http://eb-dl.pod.tv/sound/131226_personaq02.wav The battle music is more what you'd expect from a Persona game, while that dungeon track is more EO-ish.
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Dec 26, 2013 06:48
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TurnipFritter posted:Merry Christmas, Famitsu posted some sample tracks for PQ: Those both sound great! I'm actually looking forward to this game, or at least the soundtrack.
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Dec 26, 2013 22:55
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You know, is the fact that the P3 MC should be dead at that point in time going to be a plot device? They have to do something with it. It could even set up for Elizabeth(and Theo?) leaving the Velvet Room since by that point the MC is dead, yet here he is alive.
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Dec 27, 2013 02:05
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Persona Q isn't canon as far as I'm aware. Plus the P3 cast gets brought in from the middle of their game, so it probably isn't going to be a factor at all.
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Butt Ghost posted:Persona Q isn't canon as far as I'm aware. Plus the P3 cast gets brought in from the middle of their game, so it probably isn't going to be a factor at all. The persona users are going to forget, but the velvet room attendants and Aigis won't. That's how it always works.
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Perhaps, but how is that relevant to Minato and Shinjiro's fates?
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Butt Ghost posted:Perhaps, but how is that relevant to Minato and Shinjiro's fates? It's time travel. If you kill Minato before he becomes the great seal, suddenly The Fall does happen. If a bad guy is trying to bring about the fall again, why not try killing him before he becomes too powerful to handle? You could probably spin it a couple other ways, but that would be a thing to try.
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OH okay. I wasn't sure what you were trying to get at. Yeah, that could happen.
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Dehry posted:The persona users are going to forget, but the velvet room attendants and Aigis won't. That's how it always works. That would mean that Aigis was just being a dick when she didn't recognize Teddie and tried to terminate him for being a shadow in P4A. Actually, that sounds like an improvement to her character.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNDum2gjeH4 New Persona Q trailer
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Dec 27, 2013 15:13
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Holy poo poo, I spotted a reference to Catherine in that trailer.
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 E: It's a dummy, I kept stopping the video after his head gets blown off.
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How do you figure out alignments in Nocturne? I'm encountering more demons asking/begging to join me and one even forcefully joined my party. I'm mostly grinding right now, but I'm not sure if my party layout is neutral right now, since I'm always adding new ones and swapping constantly. I have one permanent law party member, but I'm still not sure where my alignment lies. Also, in SMTIV, how did Steven get into the Amala Network, or is the white space not the Amala Network?
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Dehry posted:
Is just a cute nod and ATLUS loving with us, right? There's no way Catherine and the P3/P4 'verse are directly connected, yes? Cute trailer and looks like the game is gonna be fun and kind of lightehearted.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Is just a cute nod and ATLUS loving with us, right? There's no way Catherine and the P3/P4 'verse are directly connected, yes? Vincent showed up in P3P as well.
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I got P3 FES this week and have played ~8 hours so far. I gotta say, it's a fairly pretty game. I don't see how it would be better to play a really uggo version of it with no cut-sceens just to have fast travel, full party control, and be able to play as a girl. Sure fast travel is nice, sure full control is nice. I can see it being better for a second play through, but I don't see how you would recommend it for a first play. Unless you don't care as much about the story (which is Persona's main draw). I really wish I could be playing FES on my Vita, but I don't think its worth making it an point and click game with no animations. Am I nuts? I'm saying all this having only seen screenshots of P3P. Also, does "The Answer" have much more story? Or is it really just a dungeon crawl with no purpose? I'll probably skip it if it's the latter.
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uncleKitchener posted:How do you figure out alignments in Nocturne? I'm encountering more demons asking/begging to join me and one even forcefully joined my party. I'm mostly grinding right now, but I'm not sure if my party layout is neutral right now, since I'm always adding new ones and swapping constantly. I have one permanent law party member, but I'm still not sure where my alignment lies. Nocturne doesn't do the law/chaos axis, it has its own deal. Pick whatever demons you like for your party. There is no Amala Network in any game but Nocturne.
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This trailer is obviously telling us that you can use Vincent in battle. It's also good to know the P4 cast will be JoJoing it up. edit: I really love this face Shinjiro's got going on. 
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ddogflex posted:Also, does "The Answer" have much more story? Or is it really just a dungeon crawl with no purpose? I'll probably skip it if it's the latter. There are brief cutscenes between loooooong stretches of dungeon.
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ddogflex posted:I got P3 FES this week and have played ~8 hours so far. I gotta say, it's a fairly pretty game. I don't see how it would be better to play a really uggo version of it with no cut-sceens just to have fast travel, full party control, and be able to play as a girl. Sure fast travel is nice, sure full control is nice. I can see it being better for a second play through, but I don't see how you would recommend it for a first play. Unless you don't care as much about the story (which is Persona's main draw). I really wish I could be playing FES on my Vita, but I don't think its worth making it an point and click game with no animations. Am I nuts? When I was playing through FES and it was still new and shiny I had similar thoughts and the short answer is you're probably too early on the game to make a good judgement. Before the 3rd full moon Tartarus is a fun way to spend Evenings and the pacing with your party members tiring out feels appropriate. Later though it feels like a slog as you find yourself re-exploring 10 floors because your party almost wiped due to the AI deciding to heal when they have the only elemental advantage against the enemy. The change to the way downing works is a double edged sword but overall it's better to hold off on an all out attack to make your enemy dizzy then to get wiped because there is literally no Defend action. There are also a lot of changes that in isolation are so minor nobody mentions them, like being able to check what a persona's skills do before you finish fusing it.
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Crab Destroyer posted:When I was playing through FES and it was still new and shiny I had similar thoughts and the short answer is you're probably too early on the game to make a good judgement. I never had too many problems on FES with the tiring mechanic since I used to do all the floors on a segment at once. I was having too much fun with the SL to lost time on Tartarus. I don't know if I was lucky as gently caress but also never had trouble with the AI healing the enemy or wasting turns, once that I unlocked all the commands the game was kind of easy. And yes, P3P is really hurt by the lack of animations and I never felt too invested on the Girl route.
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I stopped caring about the lack of animations really early into P3P, because the female route gets rid of so much of the stupid bullshit inherent to the male one I couldn't imagine going back,
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For what it's worth I beat FES and The Answer on hard difficulty and had a really fun time, then when I tried to play P3P I was turned off for the exact reason you stated. Like, I get that it's largely a cosmetic difference, but the jump from "moving my character around a 3D world" to "menu-based screen transitions" completely tanked the game for me.
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Dehry posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNDum2gjeH4 Here's a subbed version. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiuP_nOYviM
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This is nearly a month late, but in the P4A2 tournament intro thing, you can see Sho pop up for a split second.
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fount of knowledge posted:For what it's worth I beat FES and The Answer on hard difficulty and had a really fun time, then when I tried to play P3P I was turned off for the exact reason you stated. I found it difficult to get into it as well and also prefer FES. I've tried to start P3P multiple times now but give up near the beginning.
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