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Thor-Stryker posted:Aside from classes that can escape, would Flash>LMB Headshot>RMB be the highest damage method against high health targets now? Assuming you're at close range (close enough to not miss any fth shots) nothing has changed. Flash, fth, roll, fth. You'll just do less damage overall, but if you're confident of the kill then quite literally change nothing.
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MorsAnima posted:Favour the shooter (read: you died to mccree) Generally yeah, but some abilities are favored over the shooter, as per their netcode video anyway. I'm not sure which those actually apply to though.
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Gwyrgyn Blood posted:Oh right I forgot I looked at this before and Flash is weird. The amount of effective stun time is actually variable, because the flash is a projectile that explodes either on impact or at a max distance, while the recovery time of the skill is fixed. Guess this explains why i couldn't kill Reaper point blank while testing pre-nerf FTH today. He'd slip away with 15 hp left. I assumed 4 bullets was guaranteed, but I guess not! e: That'd make post nerf flash+FTH combo almost entirely useless. Wouldn't even guarantee a kill on Tracer. You've gotta go for the left click headshot. That's a pretty loving massive nerf, then, all in all. Cake Smashing Boob fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Jun 14, 2016 |
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Cake Smashing Boob posted:Guess this explains why i couldn't kill Reaper point blank while testing pre-nerf FTH today. He'd slip away witch 15 hp left. I assumed 4 bullets was guaranteed, but I guess not! You still only need to hit 4 bullets of fth to kill tracer. With favour the shooter networking it's definitely not worthless. Tracer might be one of the few capable of surviving by smashing shift, we'll find out soon enough. If she can, woe betide the hero who can no longer 100>0 everyone with no counterplay?
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Thor-Stryker posted:Aside from classes that can escape, would Flash>LMB Headshot>RMB be the highest damage method against high health targets now? Landing 6 headshots in a row would be if you could do that  But yeah, do LMB>RMB, or LMB>LMB>RMB would be better if you can get away with it (since even if they've recovered you'll probably still get the headshot). LMB>LMB>Melee is also an option. And additionally you can cancel Fan with Flash, so you can do stuff like RMB for 4 shots > Flash > LMB > LMB and so on. Cake Smashing Boob posted:Guess this explains why i couldn't kill Reaper point blank while testing pre-nerf FTH today. He'd slip away witch 15 hp left. I assumed 4 bullets was guaranteed, but I guess not! Yep. FTH is bad for damage after flash now. The good news is that you've got .7s of stun to still line up a headshot and LMB her dead in 1 hit, which is not exactly super hard.
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Jun 14, 2016 22:07
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Internet Kraken posted:Not sure how Tracer doesn't make your hate list. Everytime I play against a competent Tracer I can never get a teleporter up for long because she can reach it so easily and then shoot it. Or if you try to defend she tosses her ult at it and welp. I haven't seen many Tracers lately, and the ones I did run into thought they could take me, panicked when I got the beam on them, and then blew their blinks and rewind to get away. I'd probably hate a good one but there might not be any in my garbage scrub tier. I place my teleporters super aggressively too, which ironically seems to make them harder to find. On Dorado I had one up that was literally right around the corner from the second attacker spawn.
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Jun 14, 2016 22:09
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Gwyrgyn Blood posted:Yep. FTH is bad for damage after flash now. The good news is that you've got .7s of stun to still line up a headshot and LMB her dead in 1 hit, which is not exactly super hard. Looks like it's bad for pretty much everything post nerf though? A trap button.
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FTH has no damage falloff, making it still the fastest way to burn down a Reinhardt or Winston shield for McCree, especially if you aren't in close range.
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Jun 14, 2016 22:15
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MorsAnima posted:You still only need to hit 4 bullets of fth to kill tracer. With favour the shooter networking it's definitely not worthless. Tracer might be one of the few capable of surviving by smashing shift, we'll find out soon enough. 3 bullets ideally since it's 25+45*3 = 160 damage. You can also just LMB her head which is 165 damage straight up and save your bullets in case anyone else is around, a better option if you can do it. Cake Smashing Boob posted:Looks like it's bad for pretty much everything post nerf though? A trap button. It's still going to be better in scramble situations where you don't think you can get a headshot. It's still 270 damage in 1 second from 6 shots to the body which is enough to kill most of the cast. And if you have roll off cooldown, it's not like you are super concerned about having to reload. Countblanc posted:FTH has no damage falloff, making it still the fastest way to burn down a Reinhardt or Winston shield for McCree, especially if you aren't in close range. It absolutely does have damage falloff, it's 25-45 now (instead of 35-70).
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I'm enjoying the McCree players that don't seem to know about the nerf rolling in, doing the flashbang + RMB and then panicking when they realize I'm not dead like usual only to get killed in return.
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Jun 14, 2016 22:18
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Internet Kraken posted:Not sure how Tracer doesn't make your hate list. Everytime I play against a competent Tracer I can never get a teleporter up for long because she can reach it so easily and then shoot it. Or if you try to defend she tosses her ult at it and welp. Symmetra's turrets and M1 do a lot to counteract Tracer's speed and mobility, which pretty much limits Tracer's options to "run away in shame and never come back" or "kill Symmetra before she kills you". Although the latter happens to be Symmetra's greatest weakness, it's still probably a trade because even if she kills Symm, Tracer has a hard time dealing with multiple turrets.
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Ddraig posted:This is probably the best guide I wanted to watch this, but I have no idea who Lusheeo is.
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Oh yeah Symmetra can actually kill Tracer fairly easily if she runs into a room with turrets, its just her insane mobility means she can blow up your teleporter pretty easily. And even if you devote multiple turrets to guarding it that doesn't do anything if she is willing to toss her sticky bomb at it.
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Jun 14, 2016 22:24
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Gwyrgyn Blood posted:3 bullets ideally since it's 25+45*3 = 160 damage. Oh that's right. I somehow got it in my head it was 40 per shot. 45 with 3 hits guaranteed + 25 from flashbang kills Tracer dead (minus shenanigans). All is well.
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Jun 14, 2016 22:25
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Internet Kraken posted:Not sure how Tracer doesn't make your hate list. Everytime I play against a competent Tracer I can never get a teleporter up for long because she can reach it so easily and then shoot it. Or if you try to defend she tosses her ult at it and welp. If a Tracer blows her ult to kill your TP and turrets, she's being silly and wasting an ult. Also, you should probably try and get more creative with your TP placements.
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gently caress yeah Hanzo
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Thor-Stryker posted:Aside from classes that can escape, would Flash>LMB Headshot>RMB be the highest damage method against high health targets now? Yeah, this is what I was gonna say. Just score the first headshot and FTH after. One of your shots crit, the rest of your shots get to come out fast.
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I see people talk about what rank they are in the game. On the risk of sounding like a fool, is there an easy way where I can look up how I'm doing?
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TheVekter posted:If a Tracer blows her ult to kill your TP and turrets, she's being silly and wasting an ult. Also, you should probably try and get more creative with your TP placements. Her ult charges fairly quickly and shutting down Symmetra's ult is hardly a waste. Also you can't really hide the teleporter given the killcam shows the other team the location marker for it.
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Jun 14, 2016 22:34
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Yeah, the McCree nerf was good, but the Widowmaker nerf wasn't enough, she needs to lose her SMG, and some HP or a longer cooldown on the grapple.
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Verranicus posted:I'm enjoying the McCree players that don't seem to know about the nerf rolling in, doing the flashbang + RMB and then panicking when they realize I'm not dead like usual only to get killed in return. https://gfycat.com/ExhaustedShowyIslandwhistler Fan the hammer was nerfed early for him.
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Jun 14, 2016 22:40
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Ddraig posted:https://gfycat.com/ExhaustedShowyIslandwhistler I never knew Mcree's hat falls off when you kill him. That's funny.
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Gwyrgyn Blood posted:
ow infinity has lied to me and ive never been more angry in my life
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Binding Mouse 5 to hello was the best decision I ever made. Junkrat and McCree both have top level hellos.
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Countblanc posted:ow infinity has lied to me and ive never been more angry in my life last time I checked OW infinity also says 200/200 for both of zaryas barriers but other sources say 200/400. whats even real any more
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Ddraig posted:Binding Mouse 5 to hello was the best decision I ever made. reinhardt and winston are also top tier HYELLO! Hi there!
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speaking of emotes i have the "thats how you get tinnitus" voice line for lucio and i spam that every time i right click someone
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:I see people talk about what rank they are in the game. On the risk of sounding like a fool, is there an easy way where I can look up how I'm doing? https://www.masteroverwatch.com
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Internet Kraken posted:I never knew Mcree's hat falls off when you kill him. That's funny. Off the top of my head, Mcree's hat falls off, Bastion completely falls apart and his different parts go everywhere, Junkrat's bombs fall off, and Zenyatta's orbs stop floating and just fall to the ground and roll around. I'm sure every character just drops their gun but those are the ones I can think of that have a little extra flair to them
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Mei gets transported back to the Ninth Circle of Hell where she belongs.
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Zoness posted:speaking of emotes i have the "thats how you get tinnitus" voice line for lucio and i spam that every time i right click someone Pro tier Lucio spam is the "HOO! Yeah!" Because if you bind it to a side mouse button you can make him go "HOO! HOO! HOO! HOO!"
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lmao was that the phoon song for like half a second while wallrunning?
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Teikanmi posted:Pro tier Lucio spam is the "HOO! Yeah!" Because if you bind it to a side mouse button you can make him go "HOO! HOO! HOO! HOO!" Stop making me want to bind a mouse button to a skill I actually use those for skills and now I just wanna HOO
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Zoness posted:speaking of emotes i have the "thats how you get tinnitus" voice line for lucio and i spam that every time i right click someone It's tragic that enemies can't hear your voice lines.
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Zoness posted:speaking of emotes i have the "thats how you get tinnitus" voice line for lucio and i spam that every time i right click someone My friends were pretty shocked when they first heard that line because they thought he was saying "that's how you get the knife!" which is admittedly a much better line
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First game of the post-nerf world our team goes TWO Widows who are utterly worthless and get stomped by 4 Genjis, but one gets POTG because he killed 1.5 guys and declares "I won." Look them both up and they play together. They have a dumb gimmick where one is almost always D.Va and the other almost always Bastion, same length of time. If they're not doing that they both go Widow. They literally have made a gimmick of being poo poo dead weight.Kanfy posted:It's tragic that enemies can't hear your voice lines. They 10000% can.
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Macaluso posted:My friends were pretty shocked when they first heard that line because they thought he was saying "that's how you get the knife!" which is admittedly a much better line yeah the worst part is that he doesn't really deliver it in the same way that H. Jon Benjamin does
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piratepilates posted:lmao was that the phoon song for like half a second while wallrunning? It's the song the weird looking french guy was listening to when he stole that poo poo via interpretive dance at the end of ocean's 12 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr834Cs9ncs
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FAUXTON posted:It's the song the weird looking french guy was listening to when he stole that poo poo via interpretive dance at the end of ocean's 12 that's the one! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNvDUO42Hys&t=40s
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