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What is the most powerful flying bug?
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🦋 15 3.71%
🦇 115 28.47%
🪰 12 2.97%
🐦 67 16.58%
dragonfly 94 23.27%
🦟 14 3.47%
🐝 87 21.53%
Total: 404 votes
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Ardennes
May 12, 2002
Also, an issue has been coming up, mines, the Russians always had more than the Ukrainians, but it seems more recently the Ukrainians have been coming up short. It very well may be that they had enough to lay fields around static lines but once Avdiivka fell and the Russian started to push more aggressively into areas that were never mined in the first place, they are having much more free range to take villages.

You are starting to see this now as there isn't even passive defense really holding back from the Russians advancing to the north/north-west.

It is also a good question how fortified the northern frontier is at this point as well.

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Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Its still kinda baffling how after seeing the enormous power of the Russian defensive network in stopping their vaunted offensive cold in its tracks the Ukrainians didn't start fortifying their own defensive network for use as a backstop. They've got stronghold cities but no trench and minefield network connecting them. They just completely failed to plan for, well, failure

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Nix Panicus posted:

Its still kinda baffling how after seeing the enormous power of the Russian defensive network in stopping their vaunted offensive cold in its tracks the Ukrainians didn't start fortifying their own defensive network for use as a backstop. They've got stronghold cities but no trench and minefield network connecting them. They just completely failed to plan for, well, failure

Admittedly, they didn't really have the manpower, equipment, mines etc to created layer defensive works, the best they could do is fortify some strong points and hope to slow the Russians down. The Russians in turn just hammered those strong points into oblivion, and they would slowly move up. The joke was "they were just fighting over fields" and essentially they were except the whole part the Ukrainians were pouring a bunch of resources into them because they know there wasn't much behind them.

Avdiivka seems to be the first real break in that defensive line, much more than Bakhmut, the Ukrainians can't seem to catch their breath as the Russians take positions before the Ukrainians can fortify them. It is also getting to the point unless a serious new defensive network is established, Niu-York and the areas SW around Bakhmut are going to be threatened.

The Russians are also making progress in the south as well, and if they can continue breaching positions, eventually the frontline from Vuhledar to Chasiv Yar may progressively open up and that is simply too large of an area for the Ukrainians to defend.

This isn't really talking about any serious operations in the north either. That said, if they did anything up there, it makes more sense they would hit while the southern front was already crumbling and then push while the Ukrainians were already empty handed.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Regarde Aduck posted:

Its simple, L'viv is mordor

the Holo-Mordor...

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Nix Panicus posted:

Its still kinda baffling how after seeing the enormous power of the Russian defensive network in stopping their vaunted offensive cold in its tracks the Ukrainians didn't start fortifying their own defensive network for use as a backstop. They've got stronghold cities but no trench and minefield network connecting them. They just completely failed to plan for, well, failure

Russia is using lancets and other drones to destroy Ukrainian engineering equipment. Kinda hard to build proper trenches when all you have is dudes with shovels sometimes

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

Sanlav posted:

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/31697

"At their congress in Strasbourg, Austria, the Parliament adopted a resolution “On Russia’s undemocratic presidential elections and their illegitimate extension to the occupied territories,” specifying that the election was “neither free nor fair,” by a vote of 493-11, with 18 abstaining. The resolution means that the EU does not officially recognize Putin as Russia’s president, and it called on the international community to declare the same."

What the heck is the EU posturing so hard right now for? Between this and the theft of reserves we are going for a speedrun on how to destroy the legitimacy of demcracy. More useless sanctions, more training symbolic division, more IOU's? The only escalation on the table is sending troops into armed conflict with Russia.

i think i've talked about this before, but this is very indicative of how the west is completely unable to view foreign policy as an actual real thing as opposed to a way of posturing for their domestic audience

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

free as a BIRD

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Cerebral Bore posted:

i think i've talked about this before, but this is very indicative of how the west is completely unable to view foreign policy as an actual real thing as opposed to a way of posturing for their domestic audience

Yeah, they're all talking with the voices in their head.

Nix Panicus posted:

Yeah a bunch of Ukrainians speak Russian as their first language, particularly in the east. Ukraine's language laws are a very real attempt at the kind of ethnic genocide the west keeps accusing China of doing, except nobody in the west gives a poo poo

That's kinda overplayed imo. There's some significant harassment, but even the Azovs were speaking Russian. The actual cultural genocide is against soviet Ukraine. Pretending that the social system that eradicated illiteracy, produced by far the majority of cultural products in Ukrainian and in who's defense millions fought and died was an outside imposition while the real Ukrainians entered Ukraine in 1941 and now live in Toronto is just absurdly shameless.

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Cao Ni Ma posted:

Russia is using lancets and other drones to destroy Ukrainian engineering equipment. Kinda hard to build proper trenches when all you have is dudes with shovels sometimes

Russia took Bakhmut with nothing but shovels

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

Nix Panicus posted:

Russia took Bakhmut with nothing but shovels

orks are built different

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

gradenko_2000 posted:

the Holo-Mordor...

:asoiaf:

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

genericnick posted:

Yeah, they're all talking with the voices in their head.

That's kinda overplayed imo. There's some significant harassment, but even the Azovs were speaking Russian. The actual cultural genocide is against soviet Ukraine. Pretending that the social system that eradicated illiteracy, produced by far the majority of cultural products in Ukrainian and in who's defense millions fought and died was an outside imposition while the real Ukrainians entered Ukraine in 1941 and now live in Toronto is just absurdly shameless.

The Uyghur genocide has considerably less evidence for it than Ukraine's cultural genocide against ethnic Russians. Its just a fun thing to notice

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

Weka posted:

I haven't been keeping up so sorry if it's been covered but

It's finally happening, they're going to try and conscript Ukrainians abroad l

drat that's insanely hosed up. T-minus like two days before Chrystia Freeland proposes something similar here

Megamissen
Jul 19, 2022

any post can be a kannapost
if you want it to be


???

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

Sanlav posted:

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/31697

"At their congress in Strasbourg, Austria, the Parliament adopted a resolution “On Russia’s undemocratic presidential elections and their illegitimate extension to the occupied territories,” specifying that the election was “neither free nor fair,” by a vote of 493-11, with 18 abstaining. The resolution means that the EU does not officially recognize Putin as Russia’s president, and it called on the international community to declare the same."

What the heck is the EU posturing so hard right now for? Between this and the theft of reserves we are going for a speedrun on how to destroy the legitimacy of demcracy. More useless sanctions, more training symbolic division, more IOU's? The only escalation on the table is sending troops into armed conflict with Russia.


Ardennes
May 12, 2002
It is a good question what the Ukrainians are even going to get in the next 6 months beyond bits of pieces of equipment and maybe a couple old F-16s. Supposedly, a fair amount of the artillery shells they are getting is DPICM ammo as well which has clearly underperformed.

Maybe the Germans will eventually give them a Patriot battery.

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011


It's an illusion, Michael.

Tricks are something a whore does for money.

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

Oh, look, it's the European Parliament

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

PhilippAchtel posted:

Oh, look, it's the European Parliament


gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

PhilippAchtel posted:

Oh, look, it's the European Parliament



those two Irish MPs are cool but otherwise lol

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

PhilippAchtel posted:

Oh, look, it's the European Parliament


Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

Not that you'd be able to trap someone in the contradiction, but this undermines the popular and existential conflict against genocide canard.

"Is Ukraine a democracy?" "Yes."
"Is the war supported by the majority of Ukrainians?" "Yes."
"Is Ukraine fighting an existential threat?" "Yes."

Okay, so why, are people voting with their feet not to fight? That doesn't make any sense. And also, if their feet suggest they don't want to fight, and Ukraine is a democracy, shouldn't the government also be seeking to end the fighting? If fleeing the country and hiding in the woods from recruiters don't express some sort of democratic will, I don't know what does.

According to an ex-military colleague of mine (did a tour as recon in Afghanistan, didn't get shelled by modern artillery so not a veteran in my book) it is because they are cowards, op.

VoicesCanBe
Jul 1, 2023

"Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"
AP is reporting that Ukraine withdrew the Abrams tanks from the front lmao

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

I feel like everybody learned history wrong as a joke during the Cold War and now they hold two of the more dangerous ideas in human history, even without nuclear weapons: that negotiation to prevent a war, and negotiation during a war or to end a war are bad and wrong.

From Russia's perspective, how could you possible negotiate with another party which flatly doesn't understand leverage?

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Orange Devil posted:

From Russia's perspective, how could you possible negotiate with another party which flatly doesn't understand leverage?

Or they just can't accept the state of that leverage as it actually exists. DC expects the Kremlin to come in on its knees, begging for peace.

It is just that the fundamentally live in a fantasy world and can't help but gaslight themselves further and further into it.

If anything it makes sense if the Kremlin has a slow but forceful approach enough not violent, to actually wake the West up from its addled stupor, but still make measurable gains. Eventually, that isn't going to be enough though, and so there is a certain point when rubber will meet the road.

Ardennes has issued a correction as of 13:14 on Apr 26, 2024

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!
DC expects everyone to come in on their knees, kowtowing. That's what I mean with not understanding leverage.

Dokapon Findom
Dec 5, 2022

But have you considered whether the child murdered by the driver of that truck was riding an oversized bike?!?! Children riding oversized bikes are the scourge of our roadways!!

VoicesCanBe posted:

AP is reporting that Ukraine withdrew the Abrams tanks from the front lmao

$10 million apiece doesn't seem outrageous until you start losing them

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Dokapon Findom posted:

$10 million apiece doesn't seem outrageous until you start losing them

There are have been Abrams lost before, but the Russians easily taking them out on video isn't really helping. It is very doubtful a layer of DU is going to help either.

Hedenius
Aug 23, 2007

Russian armored assault in 2025:

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
The Abrams are waiting for the American shed attachments. Plz ask Home depot expedite the order.

supersnowman
Oct 3, 2012

quote:


Perhaps they want to keep them safe for future needs. Since they are some of the higher end tanks they have

quote:

The Abrams is a gas guzzler. It requires twice as much fuel as the Leopards that Germany sent.
This is likely the main reason why they are being olaced in reserve

quote:

The shame here is that Ukraine started using the Abrams in increasingly more desperate situations due to lack of overall supply the last few months due to the US political maneuvering.

quote:

I mean, we've sent 31 and they have only lost 5. Considering how heavily Russia targets them, that's not bad. I would also bet that the crews survived from most of the destroyed ones as well.

That's what I got as of yet when I mentioned they got pulled but not German tanks.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Nix Panicus posted:

The Uyghur genocide has considerably less evidence for it than Ukraine's cultural genocide against ethnic Russians. Its just a fun thing to notice

Lmao, fair

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!
Russian tanks built like brick shithouses.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Orange Devil posted:

According to an ex-military colleague of mine (did a tour as recon in Afghanistan, didn't get shelled by modern artillery so not a veteran in my book) it is because they are cowards, op.

There was someone at the army hospital getting outpatient treatment for being a pharmacy aide on KAF, handing out medication to people who were suffering from PTSD.* I don't want to disparage them, but I think maybe our idea of what cowardice is or isn't could use some adjustment.

* Which obviously is upsetting, I understand. There are degrees though.

supersnowman posted:

I mean, we've sent 31 and they have only lost 5. Considering how heavily Russia targets them, that's not bad. I would also bet that the crews survived from most of the destroyed ones as well.

People taking this as axiomatic when we can see catastrophic hits and flames pouring out of the hatches of the crew compartment is a good argument for the power of narratives.

DJJIB-DJDCT has issued a correction as of 14:37 on Apr 26, 2024

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

great things happening etc. etc.
https://www.twitter.com/postsocialismus/status/1783738353352839332#m

https://www.twitter.com/Volod_Ishchenko/status/1782303975250755981#m

genericnick has issued a correction as of 14:41 on Apr 26, 2024

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Orange Devil posted:

From Russia's perspective, how could you possible negotiate with another party which flatly doesn't understand leverage?

Appeal to British nostalgia?

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

There was someone at the army hospital getting outpatient treatment for being a pharmacy aide on KAF, handing out medication to people who were suffering from PTSD.* I don't want to disparage them, but I think maybe our idea of what cowardice is or isn't could use some adjustment.

* Which obviously is upsetting, I understand. There are degrees though.

People taking this as axiomatic when we can see catastrophic hits and flames pouring out of the hatches of the crew compartment is a good argument for the power of narratives.

Cowardice is when the thralls don't do what they are commanded to do, which is die.

Also, I wonder how much of the Abrams tanks being withdrawn is just the hits they are taking on the front lines, but there may not be enough operational enough for a variety of reasons (probably the first being the turbine engine) to be especially useful.

Officer Sandvich
Feb 14, 2010
Top Ukrainian ‘fact-checker’ arrested for assault on Grayzone contributor

They went after Moss Robeson lol

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DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Ardennes posted:

Cowardice is when the thralls don't do what they are commanded to do, which is die.

To lead Ruthenians into combat, you need men who learned their trade through horseplay among the fellows at the Theresianische Militärakademie, wearing sashes around their waists, sabres drawn, commanding them in German. I don't understand why this is proving so difficult. You can easy get away with losing an entire army two, maybe three times, if you have that kind of leadership.

DJJIB-DJDCT has issued a correction as of 14:51 on Apr 26, 2024

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