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I can't tell if that is a really smart move on John's part, or if he's just being a giant dork. (Probably the dork one.)
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Well, that...probably wouldn't have counted? I mean, Dave was killed in his dream by DD with no apparent repercussions.
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# ? Mar 25, 2012 00:33 |
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Yeah I think this was more simply what happens when you are attacked in dream bubbles (meaning it's not your dreamself getting attacked, since you have no dreamself): you wake up. Dave woke up right after being attacked by DD in the dream bubble rose was passing through back then too. So I guess Rose is about to actually see her mother up close? tinaun posted:Oh, and have this graph of homestuck updates by time of day: I love how hilariously useless that is since it doesn't specify what timezone it's for.
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# ? Mar 25, 2012 00:39 |
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Yep, MEENAH is without question the pre-Scratch Condesce. And also a giant rear end in a top hat. She's right though, that was an awfully nerdy outburst from John.
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# ? Mar 25, 2012 00:41 |
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Yeah, that's not how it works. If John had somehow flown out there bodily rather than just sort of popping up dreamwise, then he might have been in potential trouble. It's great how this meant he just missed Dave and Karkat, apparently. (What was her plan! I guess probably it was just trying to arrange her own death - and maybe at least one other player's - in order to avoid getting erased/reset by the A Scratch.)
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# ? Mar 25, 2012 00:41 |
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Tollymain posted:
Clearly this is just the Alternian translation of 'Homestuck'.
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# ? Mar 25, 2012 00:41 |
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So the A1 trolls had a plan. A plan that involved dying. Calling it now: they went to the afterlife as part of a last-ditch effort to unfuck their session or universe by getting support from players in other sessions.
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# ? Mar 25, 2012 00:45 |
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Just noticed that John did in fact get stabbed by the fork, watch the very tips before it falls.
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# ? Mar 25, 2012 00:45 |
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Roxy's expression is loving slaying me here.
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# ? Mar 25, 2012 00:49 |
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Nate RFB posted:Just noticed that John did in fact get stabbed by the fork, watch the very tips before it falls. Yes, that's why he woke up. Seems to be more or less the same thing as happened when DD "killed" Dave during his conversation with Rose at the end of Act 5.
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# ? Mar 25, 2012 00:51 |
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Nate RFB posted:Just noticed that John did in fact get stabbed by the fork, watch the very tips before it falls. Amusingly, it's taken this long for dreams to actually follow dream logic. You die in a dream while actually dreaming, you wake up.
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# ? Mar 25, 2012 00:52 |
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Slime posted:Roxy's expression is loving slaying me here. Yeah, I was about to say that. Meenah is throwing a 2x3dent at her and she's just in her own happy little world. Also, the only thing I can come up with regarding her plan is what has already been said here. That is, they escaped the scratch by dying before their Beat Mesa eqivalent reached Skaia. Guess we'll just have to wait for more information, but that's what I'll go with for now. Edit: Also, I have to say I like the line "snoozing mystery girl, look out!" It's just such a John thing to say. Boneless Jogger fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Mar 25, 2012 |
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Boneless Jogger posted:Yeah, I was about to say that. Meenah is throwing a 2x3dent at her and she's just in her own happy little world. The idea of A1 trolls escaping the Scratch through a mass suicide pact is all kinds of disturbing.
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# ? Mar 25, 2012 01:00 |
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Yeah, the comic was pretty rosy before, what with things like Vriska having to kill her own parent figure and later controlling someone else's mind, making him write the words "kill me" over and over again in her own blood.
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# ? Mar 25, 2012 01:03 |
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Wrist Watch posted:Yeah, the comic was pretty rosy before, what with things like Vriska having to kill her own parent figure and later controlling someone else's mind, making him write the words "kill me" over and over again in her own blood. Mass suicide pacts are a bit of a step up from what was a mercy killing and a mercy killing combined with a revival into superpowers, though granted the step up from the latter to a suicide pact was much smaller than the former.
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# ? Mar 25, 2012 01:05 |
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Is it me, or is it some kind of thing that main characters sometimes forget that they have telekinetic powers? It's that weird kind of stupid that I don't think anyone actually is.
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# ? Mar 25, 2012 01:08 |
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That second one isn't all crazy, that firefly in amber John picked up is 100% definitely Serenity. Coincidences like that just don't happen in this comic.
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# ? Mar 25, 2012 01:09 |
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Roxy is rapidly approaching favourite character status.
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# ? Mar 25, 2012 01:32 |
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Well Manicured Man posted:The idea of A1 trolls escaping the Scratch through a mass suicide pact is all kinds of disturbing. What I'm curious about is just how mass it was. If you'll recall, when the trolls were first conceived of, Hussie admits he didn't think he was going to detail all twelve. He figured they'd just be a little peanut gallery of distant players to provide some new perspective on the game, but it didn't take long for him to decide to expand their role and before we knew it we had Hivebent. The waves of new characters that geometric character casting has produced with this comic (the ancestors in parallel to the guardians, the pre and post scratch universes) has at times caused some grumbling that the comic is filling up. Technically we've known that the ancestors were the players in the pre-scratch troll session, but since they were supposedly wiped by the scratch they weren't relevant. A handy way to keep the cast down to a manageable number, then, is to have just a handful - maybe even just Meenah and 'Kindfang' - having escaped the scratch through death. It cuts off this particular branch of cast expansion fairly cleanly. I also admit to some personal curiosity about the consequences of being left behind during a scratch and would like to see it discussed more in the story. I know it'll never get dialoglog time but I'd really like to see Jade explain why she left Derse behind when they fled the old session.
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# ? Mar 25, 2012 01:33 |
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Jazu posted:Is it me, or is it some kind of thing that main characters sometimes forget that they have telekinetic powers? It's that weird kind of stupid that I don't think anyone actually is. I'm going to assume the 'cast time' for using the Breeze is longer than it would have taken to knock her out of the way, since a lot of this world operates on game mechanics.
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# ? Mar 25, 2012 01:33 |
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Bongo Bill posted:So the A1 trolls had a plan. A plan that involved dying. Given that Meenah's running around shanking people she's never met I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that her plan wasn't in the least bit constructive. In fact I'ma go ahead and bet that a certain bulb-headed poo poo suggested in a roundabout fashion that she'd get to be Queen Jerk of the Universe in exchange for ruining everything.
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# ? Mar 25, 2012 01:35 |
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Cabbit posted:Amusingly, it's taken this long for dreams to actually follow dream logic. You die in a dream while actually dreaming, you wake up. I can say from personal experience that this is not true.
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# ? Mar 25, 2012 01:40 |
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I noticed that it is currently March, which corresponds to Pisces. I don't know if this is important since we have a Pisces troll on the scene. Has Hussie ever introduced trolls during their respective sign? P.S. Pisces ended on the 20th, depending on which version of the zodiac you follow.
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Duskfiend posted:I noticed that it is currently March, which corresponds to Pisces. I don't know if this is important since we have a Pisces troll on the scene. Has Hussie ever introduced trolls during their respective sign? No. The only times the month is important are on arc dates, like 6/12 and 4/13.
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# ? Mar 25, 2012 03:06 |
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All things considered, yep still an idiot.
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# ? Mar 25, 2012 03:06 |
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If Meenah believes that she is dead because her plan worked, do you think maybe that plan was the A1 Scratch?
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# ? Mar 25, 2012 03:41 |
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YggiDee posted:If Meenah believes that she is dead because her plan worked, do you think maybe that plan was the A1 Scratch? I am almost thinking the plan somehow involves that and the pink moon. It kind of seems like the area here is the pink moon, maybe? Something like Start Scratch -> Die -> Somehow transfer your deadself/ghost to the pink moon -> Live, dead, forever on some weird dreambubble/furthest ring/pink moon hell. The Pink Moon has a lot of strange connections. We don't know anything about it, other then it has been there since the start of Act 5, that Rose and Roxy have pink text, and that it was between them at the end of Roxy's Dream Bubble romp flash. life_source fucked around with this message at 04:14 on Mar 25, 2012 |
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YggiDee posted:If Meenah believes that she is dead because her plan worked, do you think maybe that plan was the A1 Scratch?
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life_source posted:The Pink Moon has a lot of strange connections. We don't know anything about it, other then it has been there since the start of Act 5, that Rose and Roxy have pink text, and that it was between them at the end of Roxy's Dream Bubble romp flash. http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003136 earlier than that.
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# ? Mar 25, 2012 05:03 |
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That was almost a heroic death there
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# ? Mar 25, 2012 05:29 |
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Anyone else notice that this is Act 6 Intermission 2, or Act 612?
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# ? Mar 25, 2012 05:30 |
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Considering her somewhat nefarious personality so far(and the fact that under other circumstances she seems to easily take to being an evil overlord sea queen for hundreds of years), as well as her wording of "my plan worked", I'm definitely on boat with those who wouldn't immediately think that was all some kind of group-effort plan to save everyone from the Scratch. Maybe being a Derse princess who possibly had a thematic connection to the Furthest Ring moreso than others, she was informed of the dream bubbles beforehand(although perhaps not as something her ancestor/descendent Feferi was going to cause in the future), and saw that as a way out of sorts. This coming to the benefit of the rest of the Trolls may have been only secondary concern to her, or perhaps not at all, and the others in the dream bubbles had already died beforehand in the course of the game, maybe. Or maybe she different information than that, and made a deal or figured out some way to ensure that her next incarnation would be in a real seat of power with her own pet horrorterror. (Perhaps not knowing that she wouldn't actually be her own next incarnation.) Or something very different than this.
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# ? Mar 25, 2012 05:37 |
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....I'm sensing a bizarre sense of scale here.
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# ? Mar 25, 2012 06:44 |
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Either the meteor is really small, or Terezi's Hive is absoluatly huge.
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# ? Mar 25, 2012 06:50 |
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Tollymain posted:the story follows a classic adventure-game format, with each panel preceded by a “command” — in the early days of homestuck these were suggested by the readers — and followed by a few paragraphs of text. Wait, is this true? The way my friend explained it to me, the earlier adventures like Jailbreak were based around reader suggestions, but Homestuck never was.
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# ? Mar 25, 2012 06:51 |
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^^^Yes, Homestuck was, leading to many of the running gags. I mean, Hussie got so many suggestions that he was basically writing the story he wanted anyway, but still some of the quirks of how people gave commands or some oddball commands he chose gave rise to some running gags. It suited the early, ramping up part of the story well but he gave it up at some point when it started holding back the comic's pace.Color Printer posted:....I'm sensing a bizarre sense of scale here. That's the great thing about dreams, scale is highly malleable, and subject to change at whim. Edit: I've always thought a really good way to do an epilogue for Homestuck would be to bring the suggestion box back, an odd sense of returning to where we once began and all that - not like he'd be short of commands, and it'd have a sort of "everything's back to normal" vibe to it. Or, just as interesting, have it seem like we're in the epilogue with commands for John as he walks around his newly restored house, only to slowly unravel the situation and realize he's been put into a dream bubble to fool him into thinking that everything's back to normal. Then have the actual final boss battle. Dolash fucked around with this message at 06:55 on Mar 25, 2012 |
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Chocolate Milk posted:Wait, is this true? The way my friend explained it to me, the earlier adventures like Jailbreak were based around reader suggestions, but Homestuck never was. Homestuck started that way too. It's evident in the relatively meandering pace of Act 1. During the updates when WV was giving John orders, the instruction box was in fact locked, heightening the mystery of his identity.
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# ? Mar 25, 2012 06:54 |
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Chocolate Milk posted:Wait, is this true? The way my friend explained it to me, the earlier adventures like Jailbreak were based around reader suggestions, but Homestuck never was. Jailbreak and Problem Sleuth were entirely reader driven, Jailbreak to the point where Hussie would exclusively take the first command submitted. Homestuck was similar, but less so, in that the suggestions more provided story flavor and one-off gags. There's an old blog post by him that explains it better, but basically he started experimenting with shutting down the suggestion box in act 2, then reopened it. The Felt intermission was entirely written by him, and he shut the box down when he was preparing EOA4, which was originally scheduled to be 4/13/10, the one year mark. It was only supposed to speed things along while he worked on Descend, but the story was moving so much quicker that he left it closed for good, with the exception of naming the trolls in Hivebent.
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# ? Mar 25, 2012 06:55 |
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He stopped accepting suggestions when we all died in the Reckoning.
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I've gotten a number of emails over the years from people who read this page and went to the trouble of digging through the closed suggestion box to find who suggested it because they loved it that much. I know it's pretty dorky, but I actually keep a list of suggestions I made that were used before it closed. I can even remember the update that came in tandem with him announcing the closure of the suggestion box: http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003336 Though he reopened it briefly to take suggestions for troll names.
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