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Elias_Maluco posted:I dont what what to do with it You are an enlightened student, to have grasped the nature of Dominions so quickly.
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Gabriel Pope posted:You are an enlightened student, to have grasped the nature of Dominions so quickly. I just started a map, then put points on stuff in the god creating screen Then first I was kinda shocked by how bad it looks (but I can get used to it, I suppose). Then I randomly got lost on the interface for a while. Finally I managed to learn how to move my armies and end turn and got to some battles Im not surte I won or lost or why
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Jun 27, 2016 15:05
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Elias_Maluco posted:I just started a map, then put points on stuff in the god creating screen Perfect, you're basically a master already.
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Jun 27, 2016 15:06
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you might think that people are being flippant but they aren't. this game is weird and fucky, even the devs don't know how parts of it work. edit: jump into irc we'll help you out
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Jun 27, 2016 15:11
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Elias_Maluco posted:I just started a map, then put points on stuff in the god creating screen 6 years later, and I still don't know as much as this young neophyte. The student quickly became a master 
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Jun 27, 2016 15:15
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Elias_Maluco posted:So, I got this on the steam sale Play the tutorial first. "What tutorial", you will say, "there is no tutorial in the main menu!" Well, the game is more old school than that. There is a tutorial, but it's in the manual. So read it, and follow the steps of the tutorial part.
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Jun 27, 2016 15:17
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Don't bother with the tutorial IMO. You can pick stuff up by just messing around.
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Turin Turambar posted:Play the tutorial first. Alright, I will. Where is the manual, by the way?
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Jun 27, 2016 15:21
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Elias_Maluco posted:Alright, I will. Where is the manual, by the way? "Enjoy"
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Jun 27, 2016 15:33
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Elias_Maluco posted:Alright, I will. Where is the manual, by the way? Just FYI, the manual is written by someone that does not develop the game, some of it is right, some of it is somewhat right, and some of it is outright wrong. Your best bet is to pick an era and a nation, then jump into IRC and ask someone how to play as them. Playing the AI sucks, they don't understand how to use magic and a lot of other stuff. Best bet is to play a little against the AI to get used to the GUI, then join an MP game as a nation, then go back and play the first 10-15 turns against the AI repeatedly with that nation until you figure out how to do well and ask questions while doing so. Past the first year or so, the AI will just throw increasing larger armies at you with minimal positioning and scripting, so you can run them over with certain nations, hence being boring and bad.
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WTF this thing has 454 pages???? EDIT: MF_James posted:Just FYI, the manual is written by someone that does not develop the game, some of it is right, some of it is somewhat right, and some of it is outright wrong. So this is more of a MP game? No good single player experience? Im not really a MP kinda of person
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I mean you can play SP if you want, but each game will essentially be the same because the AI doesn't know how to use 70% of the games abilities. MP isn't a traditional MP experience, it's not hotseat style, you sign up for a game with X number of players, once the game starts you will typically have 24 hours to take each turn, everyone takes their turns and submits them in that 24hr period, then the server calcs out all the stuff for that turn once the final person has submitted or the timer has run out, and it flips to the next turn ad infinitum. Elias_Maluco posted:WTF this thing has 454 pages???? for reference, I have never once looked at the manual and I've been playing since dom4 came out. I have also never won a game, so take that as you will  The stuff below will be useful once you get into the game a bit more: This is a searchable database of everything in the game (spells, units, items etc) https://larzm42.github.io/dom4inspector/ the IRC channel also has some commands that will be useful, such as, ?to ?rp (shows TurnOrder and ResearchPoints respectively) I'm sure there are others, but those are really good since I don't believe turn order is really laid out anywhere else and is somewhat important once you get into the game a bit more. MF_James fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Jun 27, 2016 |
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Jun 27, 2016 15:45
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Elias_Maluco posted:So, I got this on the steam sale Get a refund before you play for 2 hours or be imprisoned with Dominions 4 for eternity and a day.
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Jun 27, 2016 15:47
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I don't mind singleplayer for a goofy romp, but yeah, you're going to have a hard time getting your money's worth out of SP alone (although if you bought it on sale that's not quite so bad.)
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It is fun to read the lore and look at the different nations and forge magical poo poo and cast magical spells but the AI acts unpredictably, uses primarily human wave tactics, and is easily baited. What AI is good in a complex strategy game though? You could get your moneys worth if you enjoy it, if not, get your money back.
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Elias_Maluco posted:I just started a map, then put points on stuff in the god creating screen Learn from my experiences: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3734584&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=17#post453448630 then win four games.
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MF_James posted:I mean you can play SP if you want, but each game will essentially be the same because the AI doesn't know how to use 70% of the games abilities. I guess that's why windowed is the default mode, so people can play with the manual and a browser open
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Jun 27, 2016 16:37
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Elias_Maluco posted:WTF this thing has 454 pages????
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Elias_Maluco posted:I guess that's why windowed is the default mode, so people can play with the manual and a browser open Dominions 3 had a similarly huge manual. And back then when I found out about Dom3, it was only possible for me to buy the game directly. So I got a package one day with a CD and 300+ pages in a ringbinder. I never even got to read that thing completely, I gave it to a friend who wanted to try out the game and I forgot about it. I think she still has the CD and the book somewhere, if I ever get back in touch I should remember to ask her about it. Back on topic, you can buy a hardcover-version of the Dom4-manual. Essentially you pay money to get a fancier manual without search function, but on the other hand you don't have to play in windowed mode anymore Except if your desk is to small for that fat gently caress of a book, in this case you're out of luck.
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At least half of the manual is dry documentation of numbers behind the magic, and large parts of the rest are forgettable. Once you get the interface and the basics of battle/recruitment there are really only like 10-20 pages you will ever need.
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http://lparchive.org/Dominions-3-(by-Lilli-et-al)/ Here is a more actually useful thing for new players. Most of it still applies!
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Well, apart from a few key bits of battlemagic. And everything to do with gemgens.
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There are a few LPs floating around (they are linked in IRC as soon as you login) that might be helpful, they won't answer UI questions, but it will give you an idea of what people do with their nations from a starting build point of view (bless/scales/awake expander) and then the kind of flow that a game can take, what research goals they're going for based on the mages they have etc.
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Elias_Maluco posted:WTF this thing has 454 pages???? personally i think the SP in this game is the worst in any strategy game i can think of. you could still probably have some fun with it, but the game really shines when playing against other people. i would recommend giving MP a shot, the sa community is pretty laid back w/r/t this game. MF_James posted:There are a few LPs floating around (they are linked in IRC as soon as you login) that might be helpful, they won't answer UI questions, but it will give you an idea of what people do with their nations from a starting build point of view (bless/scales/awake expander) and then the kind of flow that a game can take, what research goals they're going for based on the mages they have etc. yeah it's bizarre to me how poorly set up this game is. "make your god, it's important and changes how your nation plays" "oh you don't know all the nations by heart? lol get hosed" "oh you also don't have all the spells memorized??? gently caress you"
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Elias_Maluco posted:Im scared Go on IRC and ask questions. Cannot emphasize this enough. People will gladly answer all of your questions and also heckle you a little bit.
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Jun 27, 2016 17:49
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Elias_Maluco posted:Im scared
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On the bright side, if there's an influx of new players due to the sale, another newbie game will probably go up. Then you can all be scared together. 
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How are u posted:Go on IRC and ask questions. Cannot emphasize this enough. People will gladly answer all of your questions and also heckle you a little bit. I havent used IRC in ages. Is there a client in game or something? Sloppy Milkshake posted:personally i think the SP in this game is the worst in any strategy game i can think of. you could still probably have some fun with it, but the game really shines when playing against other people. i would recommend giving MP a shot, the sa community is pretty laid back w/r/t this game. Oh boy, I knew Ive should have read more about it before buying, drat sales. How long does an MP game lasts, in average? EDIT: vvvvvvvvvvv PBEM right? My problem with MP would be having to find people to play in the same hours that I do etc. If its PBEM, it would be easier Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Jun 27, 2016 |
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Elias_Maluco posted:Oh boy, I knew Ive should have read more about it before buying, drat sales. How long does an MP game lasts, in average? 
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Elias_Maluco posted:EDIT: vvvvvvvvvvv PBEM right? My problem with MP would be having to find people to play in the same hours that I do etc. If its PBEM, it would be easier Yes. We use dedicated servers but the idea is the same, just easier on the players. Really you just have to do one turn per day, at any point, and games usually slow to one turn every 2-3 days in the later game.
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it's one of those things where you can hang out in the irc with us horrible, horrible people and take your turn every now and then when it comes up
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Elias_Maluco posted:I havent used IRC in ages. Is there a client in game or something? Yeah games last anywhere from 1-4 months (typically 2-3), you will spend a few minutes per turn, which will get a bit longer as the game goes on, but it also depends on the nation you are using. It's really not bad, just stick to 2-3 games at a time, make sure they're all in different "stages" of the game. I also use OneNote (got it free..) to keep information about each game so I don't have to remember everything, such as NAP/Alliance info, overall plan/strategy, and then some specific stuff like province 123 has X magic site or silly poo poo like that. This is a VERY easy game to MP, at most you'll spend 20-30 minutes and that's in complex situations where you've got 60 mages to script plus raiding armies etc. Also, as far as IRC, I just use mibbit, no client as it's web based, and you can easily login from phone or computer. Everyone is also very helpful in the IRC channel and will answer 99% of your questions.
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Elias_Maluco posted:I havent used IRC in ages. Is there a client in game or something? nah just use mibbit from any modern browser. it's linked in the op i think. Elias_Maluco posted:Oh boy, I knew Ive should have read more about it before buying, drat sales. How long does an MP game lasts, in average? it's a bad, clusterfuck of a game for sure, but there's nothing quite like it. i don't regret buying the game at all.
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Ok, guess I will try a few SP games first, just to try to get to know the most basic stuff
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Elias_Maluco posted:Ok, guess I will try a few SP games first, just to try to get to know the most basic stuff do it! This game is seriously fun, and as I've said, low time commitment, and everyone is fun to play with. poo poo doesn't carry over from game to game (unless you do something dumb like welch on trade deals or break NAPs for bad reasons), and it's fun to plot against your neighbors only to have your plans fall apart when your army of stuff gets blown up.
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Personally I do recommend the tutorial, it at least introduces you to most of the parts of the interface that you'll need to interact with regularly.
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Elias_Maluco posted:Ok, guess I will try a few SP games first, just to try to get to know the most basic stuff 1. Get gold 2. Get forts 3. Get mages 4. Get ownde
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TheDemon posted:Personally I do recommend the tutorial, it at least introduces you to most of the parts of the interface that you'll need to interact with regularly. i don't think it works anymore. it hasn't been updated since before the monster pretender upgrade, i think
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Feeling utterly utterly lost about pretender creation? A british guy with a kind of mumbly soporific voice made a video to help with the baby steps.
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