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Lansdowne posted:That just got me to think of an angle I never heard considered before. If you believe life truly does begin at conception, shouldn't that mean all fetuses provably conceived within US borders are citizens? Or do they not become citizens until physically born here? If so, does this introduce some sort of grey period where a fetus is a person, just not a citizen of any country? The likely answer is that they would argue for abolishing jus soli citizenship in favor of proving that one (both?) parents are already citizens.
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It's a shame in that respect that the personhood amendments didn't pass; I would've loved to see the seventeen year olds claming their right to vote because life in their states starts 38 weeks before their birth.
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TinTower posted:It's a shame in that respect that the personhood amendments didn't pass; I would've loved to see the seventeen year olds claming their right to vote because life in their states starts 38 weeks before their birth. And twenty year olds demanding to be served alcohol.
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pillsburysoldier posted:Is it fair that 5% of the nations competing in the 2012 Olympics No, but the Olympics would be a hell of a lot more interesting if Team First World didn't bruteforce the medal count by entering fifty competitors into every event.
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OatmealRaisin posted:No, but the Olympics would be a hell of a lot more interesting if Team First World didn't bruteforce the medal count by entering fifty competitors into every event. Since Usain Bolt is the Olympic Champion he gets a 10 metre head start and is allowed to attach sandbags to the legs of his opponents 
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Crossposting this from the Idiots on Facebook thread, but wow. The guy went on to complain about the pair advocating for equality and civil rights when "Communism was actually the biggest threat to America at that time".
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Jul 31, 2012 03:20
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Typing Like This Has to be Exhausting Why Do Idiots Do It All The Time
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Jul 31, 2012 03:52
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How dare they complain about something as insignificant as racial inequality when there was COMMUNISM afoot?!
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Jul 31, 2012 04:29
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See the key is to just label everything you don't like as communism, so that its fair game to complain about. "Black power, racial injustice is communism!"
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Just got this poo poo from my mom.quote:A true voice of reason in this terrible time. Please vote in November and pray. To save you a few minutes of having to watch the video she linked, it's some catholic friar speaking at a republican convention who hits all the key talking points. 1. Same sex marriage is bad and an attack on your religious freedom. 2. Same sex marriage is socialism. 3. Socialism is responsible for the murder of millions. 4. Obama is a socialist. 5. It's time to end the Failed Obama Experiment. Vote Romney.
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Carl Seitan posted:Just got this poo poo from my mom. Which part "caused quite a stir in the convention hall"?
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modig posted:Which part "caused quite a stir in the convention hall"? The part where he said exactly what they wanted/expected him to say, which apparently is surprising.
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Jul 31, 2012 05:33
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The hell is a Papist doing blessing my convention?  EDIT: Hahahah yeah Catholics know all about religious persecution, you're absolutely right you fat gently caress.
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Incorrect Username posted:Crossposting this from the Idiots on Facebook thread, but wow. The guy went on to complain about the pair advocating for equality and civil rights when "Communism was actually the biggest threat to America at that time". Wikipedia on the 1968 Summer Olympics posted:On the morning of 16 October 1968,[2] U.S. athlete Tommie Smith won the 200 meter race in a world-record time of 19.83 seconds, with Australia's Peter Norman second with a time of 20.06 seconds, and the U.S.'s John Carlos in third place with a time of 20.10 seconds. After the race was completed, the three went to collect their medals at the podium. The two U.S. athletes received their medals shoeless, but wearing black socks, to represent black poverty.[3] Smith wore a black scarf around his neck to represent black pride, Carlos had his tracksuit top unzipped to show solidarity with all blue collar workers in the U.S. and wore a necklace of beads which he described "were for those individuals that were lynched, or killed and that no-one said a prayer for, that were hung and tarred. It was for those thrown off the side of the boats in the middle passage."[4] All three athletes wore Olympic Project for Human Rights (OPHR) badges after Norman, a critic of Australia's White Australia Policy, expressed empathy with their ideals.[5] Sociologist Harry Edwards, the founder of the OPHR, had urged black athletes to boycott the games; reportedly, the actions of Smith and Carlos on 16 October 1968[2] were inspired by Edwards' arguments.[6] Yep, let's not let facts or reality get in the way of our not-so-subtle racism. As to why Peter Norman isn't on the statue, his position at that moment isn't really iconic or symbolic like Tommie Smith's and John Carlos' were. Just look at a picture of the ceremony.  But that doesn't mean that his part is somehow overlooked or that Tommie Smith and John Carlos didn't care about him or didn't acknowledge his role: Wikipedia on Peter Norman posted:Norman died of a heart attack on 3 October 2006 in Melbourne at the age of 64.[9] US Track and Field Federation proclaimed 9 October 2006, the date of his funeral, as Peter Norman Day. Thirty-eight years after the three made history, both Smith and Carlos gave eulogies and were pallbearers at Norman's funeral.[3] 1stGear posted:The hell is a Papist doing blessing my convention? I'm just waiting for John "the catholic Church is the apostate church" Hagee or Robert Jeffress to start complaining about Catholics in earnest. One of my favorite things about Mitt Romney being the presumptive GOP presidential nominee is how so many of these right wing religious figures were complaining about how conservative Christians and can't and shouldn't vote for a Mormon during the endless months of primary/caucus bullshit, and now many of them are either having to walk that bigoted poo poo back OR just start deflecting and projecting by claiming that Democrats and liberals are the ones who are going to make Romney's faith an issue during hte general election.
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I actually didn't realize that the Aussie was that involved in the display before now. Neat.
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Just saw this on the facebook:The Liberty and Freedom Foundation posted:
Also, as an aside, I was driving through the eastern shore of Maryland (a rather... conservative area) when I passed a church, which had this on their front message board thing: PRAY FOR AMERICA REPEAL OBAMACARE VOTE ROMNEY I don't think I've ever seen a church be so blatantly political before.
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Jul 31, 2012 15:01
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Conservatives love the Constitution, don't understand how free speech works
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Saw a billboard on my commute that just said "Obama supports GAY MARRIAGE and ABORTION" with "Vote Republican" in the corner. I have another friend on Facebook who really baffles me. He's into acting, he's got Asperger's, has been on disability for years, and volunteers at the most pro-LGBT radio station in town. But he's constantly reposting images and memes and articles that are anti-gay or just pro-GOP from a group called "Being Liberal means Being a Hypocrite."
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UnmaskedGremlin posted:Same guy I had the debate with a few days ago. Someone should write a paper on how having an American flag for your profile picture directly correlates to having terrible opinions and being misinformed about everything.
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myron cope posted:Conservatives love the Constitution, don't understand how free speech works As with all things, The Onion has you covered.
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UltraPenguinX posted:
Won't that lose them tax-exempt status?
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Manifest Dynasty posted:Won't that lose them tax-exempt status? Only if someone reports it and the IRS has enough spare manpower to investigate.
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Someone who was a friend of mine on Facebook posted a reply on someone else's wall post that was just "Racial Slurs, Go." I can't see it anymore because I unfriended that guy and reported the post. Here's the profile, I'm not sure if I can just link it like this... https://www.facebook.com/fn.boot.7?sk=wall It should still be public if you're logged in. There were hundreds of replies to it. The rest of this guy's wall is just the most horrible poo poo imaginable.
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Jul 31, 2012 20:11
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Sarion posted:Wow, I don't know anyone who comes even remotely close to that person.  " (actual responses I read on that page)
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Cory Snyder posted:Someone who was a friend of mine on Facebook posted a reply on someone else's wall post that was just "Racial Slurs, Go." I can't see it anymore because I unfriended that guy and reported the post. Here's the profile, I'm not sure if I can just link it like this... This guy  I love the picture of Bush and "This is what a REAL commander in chief looks like" Yes, looks like a man who sent thousands of Americans to die in useless wars. also quote:If you are a Marine and you become a cop and do not kill crack heads you are a oval office. Also him telling people to troll the "I didn't serve in combat, but I still served page. So basically he's telling the marines to troll almost the entire navy and air force.
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What're the main arguments against the whole "Become illegal now and get all these benefits" nonsense? Got embroiled in an argument on that subject on another forum, and the main argument from the other side is that illegals are criminals so they get no rights so gently caress 'em, while the nice dude is arguing that most immigration laws have a hard time telling illegals from legal immigrants who left their visas in their other pants, and that requiring people to carry their papers at all times for fear of random inspection is kinda fascist. Any other good arguments to make and studies to bring up? I have no illusions about actually convincing anybody, but I would rather not just give up on the notion that undocumented immigrants are still human.
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Cory Snyder posted:Someone who was a friend of mine on Facebook posted a reply on someone else's wall post that was just "Racial Slurs, Go." I can't see it anymore because I unfriended that guy and reported the post. Here's the profile, I'm not sure if I can just link it like this...
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Guilty Spork posted:I seriously cannot imagine what it would be like to live with that kind of relentless anger at *everything*. It's kind of sad, really. Yeah I read it over a week ago and I just can't shake the level of hate and the number of people who went along with it.
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darthbob88 posted:What're the main arguments against the whole "Become illegal now and get all these benefits" nonsense? Got embroiled in an argument on that subject on another forum, and the main argument from the other side is that illegals are criminals so they get no rights so gently caress 'em, while the nice dude is arguing that most immigration laws have a hard time telling illegals from legal immigrants who left their visas in their other pants, and that requiring people to carry their papers at all times for fear of random inspection is kinda fascist. Any other good arguments to make and studies to bring up? I have no illusions about actually convincing anybody, but I would rather not just give up on the notion that undocumented immigrants are still human. In addition, these policies are certainly hostile to legal immigrants. Look up the Alabama law (modeled on the Arizona one) that ended up with police arresting executives from Honda and Mercedes (here legally, of course) because they didn't have the documentation on hand to show their status. One thing to definitely point out is that almost no one besides ICE/CBP is actually trained to evaluate someone's immigration status, and even those organizations routinely get it wrong. It's worth noting that a number of 'anti-illegal' policies negatively impact US citizens as well. Think about it; if you went out onto the street and grabbed some dude and said 'Prove to me you are here legally', what would he do? Your Driver's License isn't proof of citizenship or status, bub. Neither is your student ID, your Social Security Card, or the other half a dozen things people might be carrying. Unless you are the kind of person who just rolls around town with your passport, you would basically need to carry your birth certificate + government ID with you. Of course, the kind of people that want harsh anti-illegal laws usually don't give a poo poo about causing pain and suffering for poor citizens of color, which is the demographic most likely to get burned by these policies.
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UltraPenguinX posted:Just saw this on the facebook: Churches don't do things like that because it jeopardizes their tax-exempt status, which hinges on not directly and explicitly endorsing a candidate. There's actually a small, but growing movement among right wing Christians to directly flout federal regulations and directly endorse candidates, ballot measures, etc., challenging the IRS to revoke their tax-exempt statuses. They're hoping that they can force the government to lift that restriction and allow them to keep their preferential tax benefits while still letting them directly get involved in politics and elections. Amused to Death posted:This guy Marines have huge chips on their shoulders about POGs, it's probably because of the whole "every marine is a rifleman" bullshit and how Marine POGs are the best examples of overcompensation (e.g. raging "high and tights," way more muscular and obsessed with working out than actual combat marines, etc.). darthbob88 posted:What're the main arguments against the whole "Become illegal now and get all these benefits" nonsense? Got embroiled in an argument on that subject on another forum, and the main argument from the other side is that illegals are criminals so they get no rights so gently caress 'em, while the nice dude is arguing that most immigration laws have a hard time telling illegals from legal immigrants who left their visas in their other pants, and that requiring people to carry their papers at all times for fear of random inspection is kinda fascist. Any other good arguments to make and studies to bring up? I have no illusions about actually convincing anybody, but I would rather not just give up on the notion that undocumented immigrants are still human. The fact is that illegal immigrants are explicitly barred from most forms forms of government benefits (e.g. social security) and have other restrictions placed on them, especially in regards to their opportunities to become legal residents or citizens, even if they have children who are citizens (i.e. "anchor babies"). So, it's really a non-issue meant to distract people from real issues like how corporations are outsourcing American jobs abroad, how Republicans are gutting federal and state programs that help citizens and legal residents, and how businesses are the real drivers of illegal immigration (e.g. how few businesses use the federal database to check whether prospective employees are legal residents).
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In lighter news, I saw this picture on Tumblr today and it reaffirmed my faith in humanity: Originally taken from here.
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Cory Snyder posted:Yeah I read it over a week ago and I just can't shake the level of hate and the number of people who went along with it. Just out of curiosity, did that guy actually serve in combat? I can't help but feel like some of that rage is coming from mental/emotional trauma. Or maybe he was just always a giant dick.
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Manifest Dynasty posted:Won't that lose them tax-exempt status? No Christian church will ever lose tax exempt status. Republicans will never do it because churchs support their messages, and if a democrat even thought about it the "demonRat Libruls are attackin are christian faith and foundinf fathers" ads would come out so fast their heads would spin.
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Nth Doctor posted:In lighter news, I saw this picture on Tumblr today and it reaffirmed my faith in humanity: The thing that teabagger idiots like the "Tea Party Conservatives of America" don't get is that more than half the people on "welfare" (e.g. TANF, WIC, etc.) actually have jobs or are in job training programs as a requirement to obtain those government benefits. Other government assistance programs without work requirements generally go to people who can't work, like children, the disabled, and the elderly. People on government assistance are not lazy and living on government assistance is not a fun or enjoyable existence. It's the bare minimum level of survival above homelessness in America. Find me a single person (who isn't precluded from working by age or disability) on government assistance that wouldn't trade their "welfare" for a full-time job paying more than $30000/year.
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Sarion posted:Just out of curiosity, did that guy actually serve in combat? I can't help but feel like some of that rage is coming from mental/emotional trauma. Or maybe he was just always a giant dick.
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So, is there a convenient way to take a huge screen cap of a facebook argument? Because I've got a doozy of one that necessitates scrolling.
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bairfanx posted:So, is there a convenient way to take a huge screen cap of a facebook argument? Because I've got a doozy of one that necessitates scrolling. Google Screen Capture on Chrome is excellent, I use it for work. You may need to crop the image a bit, but it'll capture an entire page easily enough. Screen Capture Elite is probably good for FF. Never used it myself. If you're using IE or Safari, all I can suggest is that you get a real browser.
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Do you even need a program to do it? Can't you just do it in the most simplistic fashion, hit print screen, paste image into paint, upload onto photo sharing site. E: nvm, I see what you mean, it's probably an argument that goes way beyond what just one normal screen shot can show.
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