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made of bees posted:I think the Maya were the only ones with what could indisputably be called a written language, but there were a lot of proto-writing systems around and ways of recording information that aren't writing per se, like wampum or quipu. Ah okay, thanks. When you say proto-writing systems, when does a system like that start counting as a proper script?
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I think the distinction is that true writing conveys language, so it can convey grammatical structure and get across exactly how a sentence is constructed, whereas proto-writing is more ambiguous.
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The true distinction is if you can tell a fart joke with it: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7536918.stm
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The map doesn't look quite right, the US seems to have too many circles. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29 According to wiki the US economy has a GDP of over 16 trillion (which at 15 circles is pretty close). But China is in 2nd with 8 trillion, while on the map it only has 6, the same size as Japan. Brazil and Russia might warrant two circles, depending on the exact numbers and rounding. It could just be old though. edit: and if you list it by GDP (Purchasing Power Parity) the numbers change even more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29 Count Roland fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Aug 27, 2014 |
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Lead out in cuffs posted:I did find one for Toronto: http://neoformix.com/Projects/DotMaps/TorontoVisMin.html Yeah from afar it looks pretty segregated, but up close it just seems to be "majority white" or "majority black" with lots of variety. Which lives up to Toronto's reputation as a multi-cultural city I suppose.
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Kamrat posted:I know the Maya had one but the Inuit/Yupik/Cherokee didn't get theirs until 19th century so theirs doesn't count. Why not?
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Because those alphabets came into being after seeing how cool and dandy the old world alphabets are rather than in isolation.Count Roland posted:The map doesn't look quite right, the US seems to have too many circles. Maybe some of those cities have more than $1 trillion in value? 
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Old James posted:Why not? Because the question was how many writing systems they had before the Europeans arrived, the only reason I bring them up is so no one counts them among the scripts that where developed without European influence. The Cherokee script is quite clearly influenced by the Latin Alphabet and the Inuit one was actually developed by a European missionary. I'm not that familiar with the Yupik writing system but since it was developed so late I'm sure they where also heavily influenced by European writing systems, on the map it even looks very Latin.
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Aug 27, 2014 21:39
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Literal murder capital of the world: low risk
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Count Roland posted:The map doesn't look quite right, the US seems to have too many circles. Not to say that it is accurate, but the circles do vary in size presumably to reflect the figures used, which might account for the discrepancies.
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Disco Infiva posted:
This not being per capita kind of ruins it. It should show that Qatar, the UAE and Kuwait (and to a lesser extent Saudi Arabia) have about as many slaves as citizens.
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Badger of Basra posted:Literal murder capital of the world: low risk No, Honduras is listed as high risk. Which country did you have in mind? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#By_country
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Lead out in cuffs posted:No, Honduras is listed as high risk. Which country did you have in mind? Probably Brazil.
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EricBauman posted:This not being per capita kind of ruins it.  Hmmmm...
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Disco Infiva posted:
Well, maybe those people I'm talking about aren't slaves in the legal sense of the word. They're also not considered part of the population per se, since they've got limited residency rights and will be put back on the boat the moment their employer isn't satisfied anymore (in case of the maids and nannies: if they don't put out). It's literally millions of South Asian and East African 'migrant labourers'/'expats' that are being worked as slaves in the Gulf. And they're not being even slightly enlightened about it. When I asked a Southeast Asian labour attache in Kuwait whether having highly educated and healthy domestic servants was a sign of affluence and good social standing, she just replied with 'No, just the number of them.'
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EricBauman posted:Well, maybe those people I'm talking about aren't slaves in the legal sense of the word. Indian, Pakistan etc. percentage of slaves is probably covering all those 'migrant laborers' in UAE, Qatar...
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computer parts posted:Probably Brazil. Apparently they only come in around 18th (using 2012 data). Also, I don't think Brazil (right now) has a lot of political violence, which is what the map was showing.
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Lead out in cuffs posted:No, Honduras is listed as high risk. Which country did you have in mind? El Salvador. I guess their rate has fallen since I last looked, though they're still 4th.
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Aug 27, 2014 22:43
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Do the sizes of the circles represent where between $1t and $2t their GDP is?
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Count Roland posted:The map doesn't look quite right, the US seems to have too many circles. Yeah it does look kind of off. The regions they're measuring are weird..."New Jersey Philadelphia"? Uh, ok. For the US, If you were to measure by say, the US Census CSA (Combined Statistical Area. Basically a metropolitan area with expanded borders), then there's only a single trillion dollar economy in the US: New York City. If you want to measure by state, then it's California, Texas, and New York
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Basil Hayden posted:At least two of the earlier cultures in Mesoamerica produced what strongly appear to be written scripts (they even look rather like Mayan), but my understanding is we haven't exactly deciphered them yet. The Aztecs (and Mixtecs, and probably some other cultures in that area of Mexico as well) had what is either a heavily pictorial writing system or a quite robust form of proto-writing. Many Mesoamerican people had their own writing systems, which could express complex topics. They are often complicated mixtures of pictographs, logograms, and literal illustrations, and seem to exist on a continuum from systems that can be described as "proto-writing," to what are indisputably true writing systems. Modern distribution of Mesoamerican languages, in Mexico. Per Wikipedia: 
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Lead out in cuffs posted:Apparently they only come in around 18th (using 2012 data). Also, I don't think Brazil (right now) has a lot of political violence, which is what the map was showing. They're #1 in absolute numbers of murders.
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Rah! posted:Yeah it does look kind of off. The regions they're measuring are weird..."New Jersey Philadelphia"? Uh, ok. Why do you think it's weird to merge nearby areas? Do you think western germany is also weird?
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Rah! posted:Yeah it does look kind of off. The regions they're measuring are weird..."New Jersey Philadelphia"? Uh, ok. Yeah but the map is doing the reverse. Its not going these predefined areas have trillion dollar economies, there showing where each 1-2 trillion dollars of the global economy are localised.
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computer parts posted:They're #1 in absolute numbers of murders. We have a lot of poor people available to die.
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50,000 murders per year. drat, that's more people then the town I grew up in, every year.
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No ISIS map can ever top the one they made from Victoria: An Empire Under the Sun.
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It should be called Mordor.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:No ISIS map can ever top the one they made from Victoria: An Empire Under the Sun.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:I don't think they were actually the ones who made that. I wish I were as young and naive as you.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:I don't think they were actually the ones who made that. The guy who beheaded Foley had a copy of "Islam for dummies" in his luggage.
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Beamed posted:I wish I were as young and naive as you. Yes, yes, the idea that an international militant group would modify a map from a video game to outline their grand plans is pretty funny, but it's completely untrue. I believe that particular map turned out to have originated on a White Supremacist forum, if I remember right.
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Sucrose posted:Yes, yes, the idea that an international militant group would modify a map from a video game to outline their grand plans is pretty funny, but it's completely untrue. I believe that particular map turned out to have originated on a White Supremacist forum, if I remember right. I'm almost 100% it originated from one of the ISIS twitter accounts.
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States with non-federal military forces. Red is army only, green is army and navy and blue is navy only. Purple is inactive.
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Kurtofan posted:The Great Lakes navy. I was thinking the same thing, got to defend against those dangerous Canadians.
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