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Astonishing Wang
Nov 3, 2004

mattfl posted:

Or should I just take it down to the dealership and have them do it?

This - you just got a 2015 jk right? EVERYTHING should be done by the dealer if it can be IMO.

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mattfl
Aug 27, 2004

Astonishing Wang posted:

This - you just got a 2015 jk right? EVERYTHING should be done by the dealer if it can be IMO.

Yeah I did. I'll head over there thursday when I'm home from work and get it done.

kastein
Aug 31, 2011

Moderator at http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/and soon to be mod of AI. MAKE AI GREAT AGAIN. Motronic for VP.

ThinkFear posted:

That was an interesting read. Can't say I'm particularly surprised. Industrial controls are no better. Security through obscurity is the name of the game. Add an internet connection and poo poo like this is only a matter of time.

Yup. A lot of SCADA stuff is just as bad, ask the Iranians how their nuclear program liked stuxnet :v:

McTinkerson
Jul 5, 2007

Dreaming of Shock Diamonds


kastein posted:

Yup. A lot of SCADA stuff is just as bad, ask the Iranians how their nuclear program liked stuxnet :v:

I work in the industry, It's loving terrifying. You think your municipal water supply is safe? I could unleash some Joker level poo poo in under 24 hours.

Dodged a bullet though, 2012 JK's are safe (for now).

kastein
Aug 31, 2011

Moderator at http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/and soon to be mod of AI. MAKE AI GREAT AGAIN. Motronic for VP.
Yeah, the power grid, gas industry, water supply, you name it, it's probably controlled wirelessly via SCADA and most likely insecure.

Aint life grand? Y2k is kiddie poo poo compared to this. I love how some new guy realizes this every few years, panics, tries to get everyone to care, and everyone else pretty much yawns and goes "we said that when we got hired too and management still doesn't think it's a priority. Have fun arguing about it though."

Sandbagger SA
Aug 12, 2003

Giant Thighs.
Painted Threads.
Just Off the Highway.

Drunk Beekeeper posted:



Currently top is on with sides off, doors on but windows down. Seems to work so far with the AC still on max.

I've got full soft doors which ride in the back seat if I'm expecting weird weather.

Siochain
May 24, 2005

"can they get rid of any humans who are fans of shitheads like Kanye West, 50 Cent, or any other piece of crap "artist" who thinks they're all that?

And also get rid of anyone who has posted retarded shit on the internet."


kastein posted:

Yeah, the power grid, gas industry, water supply, you name it, it's probably controlled wirelessly via SCADA and most likely insecure.

Aint life grand? Y2k is kiddie poo poo compared to this. I love how some new guy realizes this every few years, panics, tries to get everyone to care, and everyone else pretty much yawns and goes "we said that when we got hired too and management still doesn't think it's a priority. Have fun arguing about it though."

Ayup. Its amusing how loving terrible everything is. At this point, I just assume my poo poo is entirely compromised, someone knows where I am all the time, and my truck is going to stand up ala transformers and walk itself for service (I wish). But, rust belt from hell, finding anything that old commands a premium.

mod sassinator
Dec 13, 2006
I came here to Kick Ass and Chew Bubblegum,
and I'm All out of Ass

kastein posted:

Anyone who owns a 2013 or newer Jeep with Uconnect NEEDS to update their firmware, immediately. Here is why. http://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/

Meanwhile I will be over here happily wrenching on my luddite style XJs/MJs and not worrying because the brakes, steering, throttle, and transmission are MINE, bitches. That is, if they were capable of moving under their own power anyways.

- signed, a professional automotive embedded systems engineer

Our older Jeeps are perfectly capable of breaking all by themselves, we don't need hackers to help! :)

FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002
If anyone is out pulling stuff this weekend or has a stockpile of XJ parts, I need a windshield washer fluid reservoir and a dome light cover (yeah - stupid, I know) for a 92 XJ. I cannot for the life of me find any nearby or online.

tuna
Jul 17, 2003

My 2013 wrangler doesn't have the touchscreen/gps poo poo. It doesn't even have wifi or bluetooth AFAIK. I should be alright, right?

kastein
Aug 31, 2011

Moderator at http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/and soon to be mod of AI. MAKE AI GREAT AGAIN. Motronic for VP.
I think you should be fine. Also, :lol: at thread title

FreelanceSocialist posted:

If anyone is out pulling stuff this weekend or has a stockpile of XJ parts, I need a windshield washer fluid reservoir and a dome light cover (yeah - stupid, I know) for a 92 XJ. I cannot for the life of me find any nearby or online.

You need one for an LHD 87-94 IIRC. I have one in my 98 since crash repair was done with panels off a 92 and there's no hole for the 97+ washer fluid tank opening in the fender, if you feel like driving down to Woburn it's all yours, just warn me a day ahead so I can pull it. IIRC you're somewhere in NH?

Dome light cover you're on your own, I haven't had a 96- XJ parts hulk in like 2 years now. Feels weird man.

FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002
Yeah - seacoast. Will have to see what the next few weeks of work look like. Might happen. If it does, I'll give you a heads up. Stopped by a Sanel on the way home today and they couldn't believe no one makes a replacement reservoir, either.

FreelanceSocialist fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Jul 21, 2015

kastein
Aug 31, 2011

Moderator at http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/and soon to be mod of AI. MAKE AI GREAT AGAIN. Motronic for VP.
The one I have for you has a custom "feature" I added, BTW. I warmed it up a bit (it's just polyethylene) with a propane blowtorch and reformed it so it'll barely clear a double diaphragm late model XJ brake booster. Has been holding water fine for years, so no worries there.

So now you have no excuse to not swap to double diaphragm :v: A 95-96 without ABS is probably your easiest swap candidate but I'm not sure it'll line up with your brake pedal box and brake light switch now that I think about it.

FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002
Oh god - another project to tackle. :) This week I am trying to find time to do my diff fluid front and rear, possibly rear driveshaft ujoints, extended brakelines, etc. Still can't figure out where the gently caress the noise is coming from, post-lift.

JEEVES420
Feb 16, 2005

The world is a mess... and I just need to rule it

Drunk Beekeeper posted:

Currently top is on with sides off, doors on but windows down. Seems to work so far with the AC still on max.

You're driving in Spring mode (rainy season)

Summer mode in Dallas (AC still on Max :v: )


Winter mode in Dallas (Heater on Max)

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
2012 JK Sport, 3.6/auto.

No other noticeable symptoms, no identifiable trend. Happens randomly, sometimes multiple times per day sometimes there are a couple of days in between. Wheel speed sensor? If not, what the gently caress?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zftve5GwSo

Actual speed ~65 probably.

rally
Nov 19, 2002

yospos
I have a 1999 XJ 4.0, np242 t-case, 2 inch lift with 1 inch drop spacers. I am about to take this vehicle on a 3000 mile road trip in 9 days and it's having two maybe related problems (related to me being a dumbass and trying to fix poo poo). I noticed the engine mounts were severely warn so I went to change them and decided to do the transmission mount. While doing this I heard a couple lovely noises back toward the transfer case while lifting the motor and may have lifted it slightly too high. The new (Brown Dog) motor mounts went in but the passenger side one is pinched pretty severely. I sent pictures to Brown Dog and they say it is within spec and I also had a guy at Hooligan Offroad look at it he said it looks okay. Here is a pic of the motor mount in question, I feel like it is pinched severely. I can't tell from any visible angle whether the metal on the bushing is bent but I think it is:

gently caress up number two: I was doing a transmission fluid drain and flush and it turned into a loving nightmare. The drain bolt was stripped so I had to drop the pan and retap the hole. I had the transfer case supported on a lovely harbor freight hydraulic jack while I had the crossmember off to drop the pan. A bunch of stupid poo poo ensued that caused me to spend the rest of the afternoon cussing and removing broken poo poo with ez-outs and drilling and tapping threads into my transmission. I ended up having to leave the transfer case on the jack over night before I could put the pan back up and reinstall the cross member and when I woke up the jack had kindly lowered itself and the drive line was hanging by (I guess) the driveshafts. I panicked and got the poo poo back up on the jack immediately but who knows how long it hung there.

After all this bullshit my Jeep now has a severe vibration while sitting still and moving at very low speed (<5mph) that it didn't have before (I don't think, I didn't get much of a chance to drive it on the new motor mounts). This vibration only occurs in drive gears (drive, reverse) and not at all in neutral or drive.
Also, intermittently and only at low speeds I will feel a clunk under or in front of my feet when applying the throttle, and sometimes when letting off the throttle. The clunk also sometimes occurs when braking from low speed coasting. Also, it will sometimes clunk in reverse. However, sometimes I can't get it to clunk at all. In the parking lot at work it clunks its rear end off every time I apply or let off the throttle but in my neighborhood on the way home it didn't do it one single time.

Neither of these was happening until I did the motor mounts and let the drive line hang so I'm worried I hosed something up, please give me some advice. I have to leave for this trip in 9 days and if my driveline explodes on the side of the road somewhere in middle America my wife will likely kill me.

pics of bullshit:



rally fucked around with this message at 14:29 on Jul 22, 2015

mod sassinator
Dec 13, 2006
I came here to Kick Ass and Chew Bubblegum,
and I'm All out of Ass

Godholio posted:

2012 JK Sport, 3.6/auto.

No other noticeable symptoms, no identifiable trend. Happens randomly, sometimes multiple times per day sometimes there are a couple of days in between. Wheel speed sensor? If not, what the gently caress?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zftve5GwSo

Actual speed ~65 probably.

Bad connection to the dashboard cluster? XJ's have this problem a lot too--the airbag light will come on, all the gauges drop to zero, etc. and you just need to push in the upper right corner near the connector to fix it. Try pushing the cluster to see if it makes everything snap back to normal.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
I will definitely try that.

mattfl
Aug 27, 2004

Godholio posted:

2012 JK Sport, 3.6/auto.

No other noticeable symptoms, no identifiable trend. Happens randomly, sometimes multiple times per day sometimes there are a couple of days in between. Wheel speed sensor? If not, what the gently caress?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zftve5GwSo

Actual speed ~65 probably.

I had that start to happen to my 12 when my battery was going bad. Check your terminals and get your battery checked, if you're still on the original battery it might be time to replace it.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
I thought of the battery this morning...my clock was reset for some reason. First time that's happened; it's also the original battery AND a brutal summer. I'll get it checked and next time the lights freak out I'll try the first suggestion.

mattfl
Aug 27, 2004

Godholio posted:

I thought of the battery this morning...my clock was reset for some reason. First time that's happened; it's also the original battery AND a brutal summer. I'll get it checked and next time the lights freak out I'll try the first suggestion.

I'd put it at a good 99% that it's your battery if your clock reset too.

red19fire
May 26, 2010

Am I crazy for wanting to trade my 08 honda fit for a 2000 wrangler? has about 20k more miles, 4 cyl RWD but worse on gas. 2.5 inch lift, 33" tires. I love the fit's gas mileage but it's not a 'fun' car by any stretch.

FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002

red19fire posted:

4 cyl RWD...2.5 inch lift, 33" tires...

Yes. Sounds like you'd need to hire someone to get out and push on long uphills...

EightBit
Jan 7, 2006
I spent money on this line of text just to make the "Stupid Newbie" go away.
Don't get a 4 cylinder Wrangler, they're dangerously slow from what I hear. Swapping a 4.0 into it won't exactly be easy, either, as you'd need a transmission to go with it.

kastein
Aug 31, 2011

Moderator at http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/and soon to be mod of AI. MAKE AI GREAT AGAIN. Motronic for VP.
Yeah, a 6cyl swap is not simple. Engine, trans, new mounts to weld to the frame since the frame horns are different between 4/6cyl wranglers, transfer case input gear, both driveshafts (at least as far as I know), entire engine compartment wiring harness, power steering and AC hoses, all engine accessories, ECU, possibly the radiator, definitely the fan shroud, it's a pretty involved swap.

I don't know why anyone buys 4cyl wranglers, TBH. Every one I have ever ridden in was underpowered stock and criminally underpowered when lifted. It's shaped like a tall brick, making it a taller brick with larger tires will never improve that.

I am glad they do though because every 4cyl 5 speed wrangler that gets bought means another 4.10:1 geared set of axles in the junkyard eventually :v:

Safety Dance
Sep 10, 2007

Five degrees to starboard!

kastein posted:

Yeah, a 6cyl swap is not simple. Engine, trans, new mounts to weld to the frame since the frame horns are different between 4/6cyl wranglers, transfer case input gear, both driveshafts (at least as far as I know), entire engine compartment wiring harness, power steering and AC hoses, all engine accessories, ECU, possibly the radiator, definitely the fan shroud, it's a pretty involved swap.

I don't know why anyone buys 4cyl wranglers, TBH. Every one I have ever ridden in was underpowered stock and criminally underpowered when lifted. It's shaped like a tall brick, making it a taller brick with larger tires will never improve that.

I am glad they do though because every 4cyl 5 speed wrangler that gets bought means another 4.10:1 geared set of axles in the junkyard eventually :v:

I drove a 4 cyl wrangler for a while. It was _intensely_ slow, but it was a ton of fun throwing around. It was practically massless. I care too much about the 6cyl wrangler I drive now to drive it like I did my 4cyl.


red19fire posted:

Am I crazy for wanting to trade my 08 honda fit for a 2000 wrangler? has about 20k more miles, 4 cyl RWD but worse on gas. 2.5 inch lift, 33" tires. I love the fit's gas mileage but it's not a 'fun' car by any stretch.
Trade your '08 Fit for a different Wrangler. You'll love it.

red19fire
May 26, 2010

So would it be better to remove the lift & get stock tires? It seems like a decent deal with the hard top included.

VVV Thanks, I haven't researched Jeeps since high school. Coincidentally around 2000.

red19fire fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Jul 22, 2015

Safety Dance
Sep 10, 2007

Five degrees to starboard!

red19fire posted:

So would it be better to remove the lift & get stock tires? It seems like a decent deal with the hard top included.

No no no no no no god no.

quote:

-33 inch mud tires
-2.5 inch lift
...
-never been off road
-meticulously maintained

bull-loving-poo poo. That specific wrangler is almost guaranteed to be a basket case. Find a stock-or-mildly-lifted Wrangler with a 4.0 liter 6 cylinder engine.

Also, it's not RWD. It's got part time 4wd. The owner is a guaranteed chuckle-gently caress.

Astonishing Wang
Nov 3, 2004

red19fire posted:

So would it be better to remove the lift & get stock tires? It seems like a decent deal with the hard top included.

"Never been off-road"

ThatonetimeIparkedoffroad.jpg


Bottom line - you should be able to find a straight 6 for similar cost. Try to get a sport, or at least check the rear end for a Dana 44 if you plan on 'froading it more than a little bit.

brains
May 12, 2004

Godholio posted:

2012 JK Sport, 3.6/auto.

No other noticeable symptoms, no identifiable trend. Happens randomly, sometimes multiple times per day sometimes there are a couple of days in between. Wheel speed sensor? If not, what the gently caress?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zftve5GwSo

Actual speed ~65 probably.

this exact same thing was happening to me 2 summers ago. best theory i heard was it was the swaybar disconnect electrical connector getting water into it, and because of CANBUS it made the computer occasionally lose its mind. seemed to only happen to me after heavy rain/snow/driving through rivers.

i filled up the swaybar connector and wheel sensors with dielectric grease when i was installing my lift and i haven't seen it since.


edit: add that to the list of 'things crysler should have done at the factory but didn't because they're too cheap'

brains fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Jul 22, 2015

EightBit
Jan 7, 2006
I spent money on this line of text just to make the "Stupid Newbie" go away.

Astonishing Wang posted:

"Never been off-road"

ThatonetimeIparkedoffroad.jpg


Bottom line - you should be able to find a straight 6 for similar cost. Try to get a sport, or at least check the rear end for a Dana 44 if you plan on 'froading it more than a little bit.

The Sport package doesn't guarantee a Dana 44.

Astonishing Wang
Nov 3, 2004

EightBit posted:

The Sport package doesn't guarantee a Dana 44.

Yeah that's why I said the thing right after that.

mod sassinator
Dec 13, 2006
I came here to Kick Ass and Chew Bubblegum,
and I'm All out of Ass

red19fire posted:

So would it be better to remove the lift & get stock tires? It seems like a decent deal with the hard top included.

VVV Thanks, I haven't researched Jeeps since high school. Coincidentally around 2000.

Stay away from that Wrangler, look for a 97-99 or 2002+ model year with a 6 cylinder. 2000 and 2001 were bad years with head casting issues, and the pre-97 Wranglers are a bit too rough for most people. Don't be afraid of high 100k+ miles, but do look for a competent owner that has kept up on maintenance. Don't expect it to be anywhere near as maintenance-free as your Honda Fit though. It shouldn't strand you but expect little Jeep issues every now and then.

Also your gas mileage will be much much lower--expect 15mpg or so in the city from the 6 cylinder (the 4 cylinder isn't any better--they're just old engines designed in the 70's and with little care for fuel economy).

mod sassinator fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Jul 22, 2015

Philip J Fry
Apr 25, 2007

go outside and have a blast
The 4-cyl doesn't even give any MPG advantage over the 6 because it struggles with the weight of the vehicle, especially with a lift and larger tires. It's completely pointless.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

brains posted:

this exact same thing was happening to me 2 summers ago. best theory i heard was it was the swaybar disconnect electrical connector getting water into it, and because of CANBUS it made the computer occasionally lose its mind. seemed to only happen to me after heavy rain/snow/driving through rivers.

i filled up the swaybar connector and wheel sensors with dielectric grease when i was installing my lift and i haven't seen it since.

No swaybar disconnect. This thing's a stripper model with AC and a hardtop. I thought about a moisture issue, but I think we had the driest winter in recorded history and until this week it's been hot as balls since like March.

I'll agree with everyone else on that TJ, skip it.


The never-offroad Jeep that has a picture on the loving beach.
Nobody buys mud tires for use on the road. They ride like crap, they're really noisy, they're mediocre in bad weather, and they're not cheap.
I had the same engine in my YJ. It's a loving pig. I got 13 mpg out of that 2.5L/5-speed with a top speed of 60 mph. To compare, my '66 Corvette got 13 mpg out of its 327 with a 1:1 4 speed.

EightBit
Jan 7, 2006
I spent money on this line of text just to make the "Stupid Newbie" go away.
If anyone here currently has need of a good head for a 4.0, I have a non-0337 head that has the coil rail bosses for 2000+ for sale. I'm too loving lazy to put it on ebay, though I'd be willing to ship it to a goon that needed it. Or you can come get it from San Antonio.

The Royal Nonesuch
Nov 1, 2005

My dumbass 88 XJ that passed smog a year ago when I bought it (clapped-out and leaky) just failed miserably, apparently running rich as poo poo. In the intervening year I have touched almost everything and replaced nearly every sensor so this is gonna be a bitch to figure out. It runs great and is no longer polluting the ground underneath it, but go figure. The smog dude even said it didn't smell that rich.

First I'm going to swap back in the old stock injectors because I put in neon 703s and that's my main culprit. Only other big change from stock I did was a bored TB and a lift/31s

Graaaaah

torb main
Jul 28, 2004

SELL SELL SELL

kastein posted:

Anyone who owns a 2013 or newer Jeep with Uconnect NEEDS to update their firmware, immediately. Here is why. http://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/

Meanwhile I will be over here happily wrenching on my luddite style XJs/MJs and not worrying because the brakes, steering, throttle, and transmission are MINE, bitches. That is, if they were capable of moving under their own power anyways.

- signed, a professional automotive embedded systems engineer

As someone who is incredibly close to this particular exploit, PLEASE download and install this firmware as soon as possible. The head unit manufacturer somehow managed to leave a non-standard port open in a version of the firmware that made it to production. The network attack vector has been patched by blocking all inbound traffic on that port to the connected devices, but the fact that that port is open on any of the device's interfaces is just unbelievable to me. If I were FCA, I'd be searching for a head to sue.

This also applies to Ram, Dodge, Chrysler, and SRT owners...

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kastein
Aug 31, 2011

Moderator at http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/and soon to be mod of AI. MAKE AI GREAT AGAIN. Motronic for VP.
Yeah that's a loving travesty and whoever did it is an idiot.

Gonna hazard a guess - it was a network socket intended to be used for preproduction testing and stuff like that, and someone forgot to turn it off?

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