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Angry Salami posted:Maasai are white now? You think a Nazi would even know who the Maasai are, let alone any other facts about them?  I did say it was insanely stupid. Mere factual reality has no bearing on what makes for "good" racist dogwhistling, here, and I can assure you they sure don't get up on stage and guzzle milk out the carton to promote strong and healthy bones.
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All right, well, here's an idea - if some nazis start saying that a totally ordinary thing like milk and shoes and the "ok" gesture represent their movement, we say that no, it doesn't, and kind of just proceed as normal.
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Dec 4, 2017 11:05
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Ignoring stuff and hoping it goes away usually works yeah. Definitely doesn't make things worse.
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Dec 4, 2017 11:08
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Chalk Chuck up for the milk war, then.
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Angry Salami posted:Maasai are white now? Nazis are really loving stupid. Hence the Nazism.
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Dec 4, 2017 11:28
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CharlestheHammer posted:Ignoring stuff and hoping it goes away usually works yeah. Really? "If we drink milk, the Nazis win" is the hill you're gonna die on?
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Dec 4, 2017 14:15
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The awful graphs thread is over here.
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Dec 4, 2017 14:17
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I like milk and refuse to give it up!
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Dec 4, 2017 14:19
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Nobody is actually going to see drinking milk by itself as a sign that you're a Nazi, holy poo poo guys. But if you had a Got Milk ad where the guy was a dude in a white polo shirt, khakis, and had an undercut, you'd sure as hell trigger some bad thoughts because Charlottesville has turned that into the new Neo-Nazi uniform. Just like how Doc Martens with red laces aren't exclusively worn by Neo-Nazis, but they have a really bad connotation that you really shouldn't be advertising with. Saying "That's dumb, we should just ignore that" doesn't make it not have that connotation. chitoryu12 has a new favorite as of 14:43 on Dec 4, 2017 |
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Dec 4, 2017 14:40
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NorgLyle posted:The awful graphs thread is over here. Yes. Most Indo-European cultures are lactose tolerant because the Proto-Indo-European culture around the black sea were nomads who herded cows. The Maasai in Africa used as a counter-example earlier are also nomads who herd cows. Strangely Lactose tolerance is most present in cultures where milk is an important part of the traditional diet.
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:Yes. Most Indo-European cultures are lactose tolerant because the Proto-Indo-European culture around the black sea were nomads who herded cows. The Maasai in Africa used as a counter-example earlier are also nomads who herd cows. Strangely Lactose tolerance is most present in cultures where milk is an important part of the traditional diet. Bless my cow lovin' Northwestern European ancestors.
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Karatela posted:Yeah, because according to them only white people can digest milk (because asians and black people are all lactose intolerant, apparently?), so its a symbol of being white (which is obviously stupid as hell). I thought it was to do with whole milk making you manly and soy milk making you a leftist bitch-titted soy boy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3-cHMo1W8A
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Dec 4, 2017 15:26
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No, the soy thing is new. This is despite some of these people selling products containing soy.
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Randaconda posted:Bless my cow lovin' Northwestern European ancestors. Bless them [eats insane amounts of cheese during every meal]
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chitoryu12 posted:Saying "That's dumb, we should just ignore that" doesn't make it not have that connotation. Maybe if you layer on a bunch of stuff at once, but the ad that started this little tangent was just a pair of shoes with primary-color laces. I think the suggestion that that's any sort of troubling imagery is kinda nutty, about like if it were suggested that a milk ad that showed somebody drinking milk was somehow nazi-tainted because of these other lunatics.
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It's an inverse Confederate Flag situation. "No I'm not racist, I'm just paying tribute to soldiers who fought for states' rights." "Okay, but everyone else sees it as a symbol of racism, so congrats on looking like a racist." Connotations meaningfully exist to whatever extent the general population are aware of them.
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red laces are an old old old old old signifier. Milk is brand new. I can excuse a dairy not being aware of the fash milk love a LOT more easily than I can Docs “not being aware” of the nazi skinhead laces thing.
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oldpainless posted:I like milk and refuse to give it up!  I like milk and milk products a whole lot, and really hope that they are not fully co-opted by fascists and whatnot so I don't have to stop eating them. e: eating milk products, not eating fascists.
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Dec 4, 2017 18:14
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I think they're gonna have a hard time claiming a major food group. News outlets are just doing what they do and being sensational.
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I don't think it really matters if somebody at Doc Martens knows about it - they're in more of a position to, and the point is more that it isn't any kind of broad social thing. And they sell the shoes, it's not like they're using some external symbolism here. I sorta feel like maybe the awareness is only half the issue, too. Like even if everybody knew about this milk thing, I still wouldn't take it seriously.
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Dec 4, 2017 18:20
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Doc milkens
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Dec 4, 2017 18:43
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I only drink Nazi free milk.
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Dec 4, 2017 18:58
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Panfilo posted:I only drink Nazi free milk. No homo milk.
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Dec 4, 2017 19:03
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Sir Lemming posted:Really? "If we drink milk, the Nazis win" is the hill you're gonna die on? Why would I die in a battle I won.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Why would I die in a battle I won. Because your weak, milkless bones will crumble under the weight of your hubris.
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:red laces are an old old old old old signifier. Milk is brand new. I can excuse a dairy not being aware of the fash milk love a LOT more easily than I can Docs “not being aware” of the nazi skinhead laces thing. Plus this Milk poo poo is never gonna stick. You can't take a thing that most people (in North America anyway) drink and say "this is the official beverage of Nazis now, deal with it" and expect that anybody anywhere is gonna start recognizing it. Plus I'm white as all hell and have been lactose intolerant my whole life, including infancy. There's no way Docs isn't aware of the red laces thing, though. You can't blame a whole company for letting something like that slip through; I'd think that hopefully they don't dwell on it to an insane degree that it would be excusable for whoever signed off on this to not notice. I'd expect this ad to have been pulled by now, though, like as soon as the first person reminded them over Twitter. Though again, it's not a thing I'd expect the average person on the street to be aware of. I, however, have seen "Green Room" so I will probably permanently associate red laces with some hosed up poo poo.
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I assume it's because the marketing people are unlikely to be skinheads themselves
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Waffleman_ posted:No, the soy thing is new. This is despite some of these people selling products containing soy. it was something that I heard about from people taking protein powder before. since some is derived from soy they would talk about how it would lead to bitch tits because of its phytoestrogen. i asked if they knew what phyto meant. i hope this means that the same douchebags stop eating fruit because they are plants ovaries and die of scurvy
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Phlegmish posted:I assume it's because the marketing people are unlikely to be skinheads themselves
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poly and open-minded posted:it was something that I heard about from people taking protein powder before. since some is derived from soy they would talk about how it would lead to bitch tits because of its phytoestrogen. i asked if they knew what phyto meant.
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I was under the impression that Neo-Nazis co-opted milk mainly because they need it to wash pepper-spray out of their eyes. It's not so much "Got Milk?" as "I need milk! My eyes are burning!"
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Indolent Bastard posted:I thought it was to do with whole milk making you manly and soy milk making you a leftist bitch-titted soy boy.  This is the only thing I know about “soyboy”.
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Platystemon posted:
Holy poo poo, I love the major self-own. You can't tell me the boss and co-worker didn't know exactly what it was, and were deliberately making GBS threads on this amazing anon redpiller
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Phlegmish posted:I assume it's because the marketing people are unlikely to be skinheads themselves It is, however, their job to make sure that their advertisements/marketing don't inadvertently hit anything like accidentally appearing to be sympathetic to Nazis. Marketing people's failure to do that is about 50% of the content of this thread.
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DACK FAYDEN posted:I would expect them to have a "marketing bible" of sorts, internally, that would include a mention or two of being wary about using red laces in advertising. You'd think. Then you see all of the various advertising campaigns that explicitly state white is better than black and even use people in their analogy. So maybe there is a marketing bible, but it's surprisingly racist?
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Krispy Wafer posted:You'd think. Then you see all of the various advertising campaigns that explicitly state white is better than black and even use people in their analogy. Also remember in the 90's, Reebock relased a women's running shoe called Incubus.
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This reminded me of a thing that happened with a gun company years ago. A gun company called Smith Enterprises decided it needed a logo for some merchandise. Obviously they needed a really cool logo, and what is cooler than a skull and crossbones? Here's what they used:  For anyone not aware, that's kind of a specific 'skull and crossbones' with a unique German name and history. Since (most) gun people aren't actually fond of Nazis, they got called on it pretty much right away. They first claimed that it was merely coincidental and they totally couldn't see the resemblance, which might have worked had it been an original drawing of a normal skull and crossbones that was looking to the side instead of dead on, but their logo was pretty much a 1:1 reproduction of the original and that didn't really fly. They PROBABLY could have gotten away with a statement that they were in a hurry and they didn't make the connection, we're sorry, it was an Intern and so on. Instead, they tried suing some guy that was really vocal about it (Well, maybe. They might have been upset with his postings about ridiculous lead times instead) and did various things that people who almost but not quite understand the internet do. The Totenkopf is off their main webpage, but is still on their Facebook page. The people that tried to defend them largely got screamed down by everyone else, and so on.
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Atmus posted:This reminded me of a thing that happened with a gun company years ago. Jesus. I don't know poo poo about Nazi symbols or anything, and probably wouldn't think much of this if I saw it in the wild, so had to look this up. Even the cracks in the skull are exactly the same. How is anybody even remotely defending this after knowing?
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SpacePig posted:Jesus. I don't know poo poo about Nazi symbols or anything, and probably wouldn't think much of this if I saw it in the wild, so had to look this up. Even the cracks in the skull are exactly the same. How is anybody even remotely defending this after knowing? I assume they cling to the chance that since it's technically possible that it's all coincidental, that maybe they will get away with that being the narrative. Unfortunately for them, that's not how people work, especially when you double down on it.
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US PALM, a now closed maker of magazines and tactical gear with an emphasis on the AK platform, also had a logo that was uncomfortably similar to the Afrika Korps. 
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