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what the holy hellquote:Let me be absolutely clear on this: Anarchists must clearly and publicly oppose communist authoritarianism. Antifa cannot be (and thankfully is not) quiet when it comes to denouncing those who fetishize some of the most heinous states in human history because they made some perfunctory noises about freeing the working class. Further the sort of monsters who diminish and defend genocides committed by communist regimes must have their organizing and entryism exposed and resisted just as we do for fascists. If this is not to be done under the label of “antifa” specifically, then as many anarchists have suggested, anti-tankie action groups should also be formed. Failing to be strong and morally consistent on this allows fascists and their allies to cloak their work under the guise of standing up to authoritarian communism (and equivocating between the horrors of Leninists and those like anarcho-communists that died fighting them). Those “anti-communist action” shirts sold by fascists that fetishize the tyrannical Pinochet regime’s murder by helicopter of dissidents have been effective at ratcheting up an authoritarian creep whereby right and left authoritarians pretend to be the only viable response to the other. but wait! while he's forming an anti-tankie action group quote:And we need a second front that sticks exclusively and pragmatically to the explicit fascist cancer lest it metastasize — doing precisely what antifa groups have always done research, expose, organize against and meet head on. This second front needs to do things like work with the GOP or libertarians or furries or whatever to peel nazi entryists away from them. It must be incredibly pragmatic and precise. Less interested in how pure our own community is than what we can do to limit damage in the world.
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lmao. that worked really well in the SCW
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now i'm not gonna do something as stupid as read all that poo poo but it looks like that dude is a fascist who thinks he's too cool to associate with fascists
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Anarchism is an infantile disorder
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steinrokkan posted:It's my impression that European Green parties never were leftist to begin with, they were always a refuge for the sort of self-styled "policy wonks" who think themselves above ideology, the same people who in the US take the form of various Ossofs. The UK Green party was pretty leftist for a long time, since a lot of leftists moved away from the Labour party under Blair and Brown. Meanwhile the traditional socialist movement was, uh, dysfunctional to say the least in the UK during that same period. The Greens in the 00's and 10's before Corbyn were talking about UBI, zero growth economy and all sorts of good stuff on top of the environmentalist things. Corbyn absolutely gutted the Greens membership and vote though, so apart from having a good MP they are back to the "norm" for Green parties in Europe.
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looking at the center for a stateless society page, it's also an odd duck, because it's got the black flag stuff, and the antifa articles, but then you see these "pro-liberty freedom fighter" contributors who write for the daily caller on it.
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:more like proudhon if i'd wager a guess so a misogynist and antisemite?
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Plutonis posted:Anarchism is an infantile disorder
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The problem with being dogmatically anti-authoritarian is that it's impossible to pressure people into agreeing on foundational principles, which is why anarchists tend to express such a wide range of reactionary sentiments without even realizing it. The radical social atomization of late capitalism just exacerbates this, because normally there'd be an actually existing commune or reading group to maintain a socially pressured consensus of correct thought, but now anybody can get online and think whatever they want & there's nobody in real life to show where your theory is going bad.
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in other contributions to the world from Willis Thought:quote:I would argue that scientists constitute a very important class in the context of social struggle — a class not created by paycheck but defined in terms their desires the same way that queer folk constitute a class. Those driven by inquiry who act to expand collective understanding of the material world. In this sense scientists are without a doubt a class with immense revolutionary potential. Perhaps even the most potential.
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lol this is loving lame i take back the nice things i said about this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GyVx28R9-s&t=109s
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Broke: Putting the bible in the fiction section Woke: https://twitter.com/getfiscal/status/965609745838157825
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:what the holy hell Left anti-communism is a hell of a drug
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I watched Young Marx and hoo boy 19th century Paris salons were Extremely Online
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Also thank you for this thread since my daily socialism intake has been drastically reduced since I quit Facebook
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:so he's an ancap? no "left" market anarchists are closer to mutualism and im pretty sure they don't fall into ancap feudal baron territory. they come from the small contingent in the 60s (Karl Hess etc) that tried to unite social anarchism, individual anarchism and certain right libertarian radicals (rothbard was included at some point until he went full fash) its center for a stateless society and "bleeding heart libertarians" and Georgists (Kevin Carson) basically old timey radical social-republican market reformers they aren't socialists just anti actually existing capitalism to various degrees. here is Kevin Carson's The Iron Fist behind the Invisible Hand its basically baby's first primer to Marx
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Top City Homo posted:no "left" market anarchists are closer to mutualism and im pretty sure they don't fall into ancap feudal baron territory. This guy really seems to hate Marxists though
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Pablo Nergigante posted:This guy really seems to hate Marxists though yeah but he covered the enclosure of the commons and the history of capitalism and that opens up the door to Marx at least it did for me
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Marxism is the most comprehensive analysis and critique of actually existing capitalism, and there's no way to get around it. Rejecting it reflexively because you don't like communists is a road to ignorance.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Marxism is the most comprehensive analysis and critique of actually existing capitalism, and there's no way to get around it. Rejecting it reflexively because you don't like communists is a road to ignorance. it’s pretty dumb but we’re talking about the USA where they avoid teaching history like the plague
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Marxism is the most comprehensive analysis and critique of actually existing capitalism, and there's no way to get around it. Rejecting it reflexively because you don't like communists is a road to ignorance. "read marx not marxists" is good advice tbh
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:what the holy hell  I mean we've been seeing antifa use this logo a bunch lately, and let's remember what the arrows stand for: anti-fascist, anti-monarchist, anti-communist
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Ruzihm posted:"read marx not marxists" is good advice tbh you should read marxists though
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Ruzihm posted:"read marx not marxists" is good advice tbh Not really?
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:
Teen loving Vogue lol
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:you should read marxists though stalin & mao? more like slolin and lmao (obviously yes good marxist writings exist, but for some, the theory is really, really bad. And reading marx first sets up a good basis to critique it) Ruzihm fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Feb 20, 2018 |
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Ruzihm posted:(obviously yes good marxist writings exist, but for some, the theory is really, really bad. And reading marx first sets up a good basis to critique it) Ok but you could say that about... anything really
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Some books are bad, so don't read any just to be safe
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just have david harvey explain marx to you on youtube
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Pablo Nergigante posted:Some books are bad, so don't read any just to be safe  obviously, "read marx not marxists" is shorthand advice for someone getting into marxist theory. Not lifetime advice. Marx gives a framework for understanding how capitalism reproduces itself, which is a useful tool for critique while you're reading socialist literature.
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Ruzihm posted:
Ok that's fine and I mostly agree, but I think you should have been clearer
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Pablo Nergigante posted:Ok that's fine and I mostly agree, but I think you should have been clearer You are definitely right. I was mostly being silly for silliness's sake. didn't realize anyone would engage on a serious level.  Sorry about that
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Ruzihm posted:You are definitely right. I was mostly being silly for silliness's sake. didn't realize anyone would engage on a serious level. No worries, I tend to post first and ask questions later
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time for a struggle session, sorry dude
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Karl Barks posted:time for a struggle session, sorry dude https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-lkleBtNgI
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:
iron front was really successful at defeating the nazis if successful is defined as not defeating them at all killing rosa luxemburg was by that understanding a complete failure
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Pablo Nergigante posted:Also thank you for this thread since my daily socialism intake has been drastically reduced since I quit Facebook socialist meme indexes are down but quality of life indexes are way way up i bet
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Ruzihm posted:stalin & mao? more like slolin and lmao if your basis of critique is solely works by marx you're just gonna be an orthodox marxist and nobody likes those guys
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hFjRVfzG7Qquote:Austerity didn't produce recovery in Latvia, it produced the semblance of recovery, says white-collar criminologist Bill Black. It also led to rampant criminal activity in the banking sector, such as money laundering, taking bribes, and violating sanctions against North Korea Well at least one of those things is good.
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