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Podima
Nov 4, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
I unfortunately won't be out there - I was going to come out this Saturday to celebrate my buddy's birthday, but it's too long of a drive to do without a hotel room and of course Philly Comic Con has booked up everything in sight. If you see a short little Filipino dude with a shaved head, you should totally buy him a beer from me!

Edit: Apparently my liquor store had 2011 bottles of this stuff just sitting on their shelves for quite a while and I never realized it - snagged the last one today on lunch break. Should be a good weekend.

Podima fucked around with this message at 19:41 on May 31, 2013

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cryme
Apr 9, 2004

by zen death robot

HatfulOfHollow posted:

I'll probably also be at the Coffee Beer Brunch at Eulogy on June 2nd, Goose Island Beer-eakfast for Dinner at City Taphouse on June 3rd, Barrel-ly Legal at Eulogy on June 4th, and Who the Hell Let Tom Peters into the Brewery at Monk's on June 9th. Will I see any of your smiling faces?

I'm going to the Tired Hands first anniversary party on Sunday, and might shoot into the city for the Lost Abbey sours thing at Nodding Head afterwards. The only other thing I'm sure I'll be at is the Tom Peters event @ Monk's.

Midorka
Jun 10, 2011

I have a pretty fucking good palate, passed BJCP and level 2 cicerone which is more than half of you dudes can say, so I don't give a hoot anymore about this toxic community.
Are there any events that won't be a nuts to butts crap show during Philly Beer Week? More specifically on Sunday or Monday.

Toebone
Jul 1, 2002

Start remembering what you hear.
Hey Midorka / other NJ goons, there's Carton night at my local place next week, what's worth getting?

Boat 4.2% Session Ale
O77XX 7.8% Double IPA
Milk 4.0% Session Milk Stout
Carton Canyon 6.4% Agave Adjunct Lager
Intermezzo 5.0% Green Apple and Wasabi Sour
BDG 6.0% Country Ale
Red Rye Returning 6.5% ABV
Decoy 12% ABV Winter Warmer
GORP 8.4% Trail Ale
077-07066 Double IPA rehopped for Cloverleaf
School Of… Mosaic
School Of... Saison
Tippy Batch # 79: Oak Smoked Black Lager
Tippy Batch # 80: Gose with Lemongrass and Clams
Tippy Batch # 83: Sour ale with lime and cherries
Tippy Batch # 85: Bergamot ESB

I've had Boat and 077XX before, both were enjoyable.

cryme
Apr 9, 2004

by zen death robot

Midorka posted:

Are there any events that won't be a nuts to butts crap show during Philly Beer Week? More specifically on Sunday or Monday.

Monday maybe. All the good ones will be capital-P Packed if you don't get there early enough.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Bought my first 4 pack of Rayon Vert after the talk in this thread. Poured one with dinner and it's definitely an intense beer. Enjoyable, but I wouldn't really want more than one in a night. Lots of aggressive flavors between the hops, brett and super intense carbonation. I took rage-saq's advice and poured very gently into an oversized glass... got about half a bottle out with four fingers of foam on top which settled to drinkable levels in a reasonable amount of time.

It says bottled July 2012. Does Green Flash sit on it a while to let the brett develop or has this just been hanging out at my local store for the last 11 months without me noticing? If that's considered fresh for this beer, how long will it continue to improve with age?

deedee megadoodoo
Sep 28, 2000
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I, I took the one to Flavortown, and that has made all the difference.


I went to Devil's Den with my girlfriend. It was completely packed, as expected and some of the kegs kicked way too fast. We managed to get...

Hill Farmstead Friendship & Reunion - a very enjoyable IPA
Carton Intermezzo - funky feet on the nose, but awesome lemon, green apple, wheat and spice flavors
Coronado Bada Bing - we got zero cherry flavor out of this, but it was tasty anyway
Ballast Point Habanero Sculpin - I can still taste the burn. so delicious, but seriously hot. if you drink this be prepared to not taste anything else for the rest of the night.

I was pretty pleased with what we had. And it was a good way to start beer week. There were some other beers that I wanted to try but I know they'll be on tap elsewhere during beer week so I wasn't stressing about it. And we had to get out of there. It was hot and packed, and after the habanero sculpin I couldn't taste anything else anyway.

deedee megadoodoo fucked around with this message at 03:56 on Jun 1, 2013

air-
Sep 24, 2007

Who will win the greatest battle of them all?

Just saw this off a Facebook group :staredog:

WHEEZY KISS A DUDE
Dec 28, 2000

ASK ME HOW TO GET FREE BEER!
(THE ANSWER IS "CHEATING GOONS OUT OF IT")

HatfulOfHollow posted:

Ballast Point Habanero Sculpin

I've wanted to try that Hab Sculpin ever since I've known it existed and I'm sad that I'll probably never get the chance without traveling.


air- posted:

Just saw this off a Facebook group :staredog:



I'm pretty stupid so I'm not sure what I'm looking at here. Did that bottle just explode from over-carbonation and rough handling or is somebody really bad at opening beers?

Glottis
May 29, 2002

No. It's necessary.
Yam Slacker
I needed to clear out my cellar so I stuck my old Fruet from The Bruery in the fridge, but poo poo, I can't drink a 750ml of 15.5% alcohol beer without getting pretty wasted. I wasn't nuts about the beer in the first place and it cost a fortune - is it worth trying to trade for something else?

Captain Shortbus
May 14, 2011

Where are you located? What kind of beer do you like? PM me and let's see if we can make sweet magic.

Eejit
Mar 6, 2007

Swiss Army Cockatoo
Cacatua multitoolii

Had a good beer day today. Had Elevation's Kolsch at lunch and it was pretty good--light and crisp with some mild sweetness on the finish. Not as good as GI's Summertime (which they should never not make) but good nonetheless. Dinner at Parry's yielded good results. I finally got some Sofie Paradisi and it is GOOD. Like, easily in my top 10 for the year so far. Perfect blending of a sour beer with grapefruit, wonderful saison funkyness, oh man. Also got my first bit of Myrcenary for the year, I will definitely be grabbing some more of that. I do want to side-by-side it with Lone Tree's Hoptree IIPA which is another amazing but basically unknown IIPA. Also got another glass of Avery's Beast, which is a Grand Cru and wonderful. I don't think it moves really well, but that's alright because that just means more for me.

Hutzpah
Nov 6, 2009
Fun Shoe

Toebone posted:

Hey Midorka / other NJ goons, there's Carton night at my local place next week, what's worth getting?

Boat 4.2% Session Ale
O77XX 7.8% Double IPA
Milk 4.0% Session Milk Stout
Carton Canyon 6.4% Agave Adjunct Lager
Intermezzo 5.0% Green Apple and Wasabi Sour
BDG 6.0% Country Ale
Red Rye Returning 6.5% ABV
Decoy 12% ABV Winter Warmer
GORP 8.4% Trail Ale
077-07066 Double IPA rehopped for Cloverleaf
School Of… Mosaic
School Of... Saison
Tippy Batch # 79: Oak Smoked Black Lager
Tippy Batch # 80: Gose with Lemongrass and Clams
Tippy Batch # 83: Sour ale with lime and cherries
Tippy Batch # 85: Bergamot ESB

I've had Boat and 077XX before, both were enjoyable.

I don't know much about them but boat is a fantastic session beer that I wish was available in cans. Intermezzo is pretty crazy, I would definitely give it a shot. Lots of tang and sour.

air-
Sep 24, 2007

Who will win the greatest battle of them all?

WHEEZY KISS A DUDE posted:

I'm pretty stupid so I'm not sure what I'm looking at here. Did that bottle just explode from over-carbonation and rough handling or is somebody really bad at opening beers?

The top of the bottle straight up blew off as it was getting uncorked. Haven't seen anything that crazy apart from a cork flying across a room.

Captain Shortbus
May 14, 2011

Eejit posted:

got my first bit of Myrcenary for the year, I will definitely be grabbing some more of that.

Probably the best DIPA on the market. That beer is goooooood.

Eejit
Mar 6, 2007

Swiss Army Cockatoo
Cacatua multitoolii

Captain Shortbus posted:

Probably the best DIPA on the market. That beer is goooooood.

I live in CO, it is nothing new to me :smug:

No but seriously, that's really good beer. My fridge is rarely without it now that it's in season. However, I would really put Hoptree in contention with Myrcenary, it is that good. I think you might only be able to get it in growler form which would explain its unknownness and also why Hoptree isn't also always in my fridge.

e: gently caress it, I am doing a side-by-side capital-T Tasting tomorrow.

crazyfish
Sep 19, 2002

air- posted:

Just saw this off a Facebook group :staredog:



Fantome is pretty much the brewery that defines "bottle variation". Coincidentally, it was one of the breweries my (now former) neighbour and I cracked tonight. I had Magic Ghost not too long ago, but I don't remember a thing about the beer itself besides that it was green.

We had a Fantome Saison, and it was super interesting. Lots of blue cheese flavour in the best way possible. So much funk that Bootsy Collins gets jealous. Really good bottle.

Next up was Jolly Pumpkin Biere de Mars. While not up to the glory of the grand reserve, it's still a loving awesome beer.

edit: chicago dudes, this is *finally* out. Beer Temple had a couple bottles, but do check your better liquor stores.

Third was a 4 month old Russian River Consecration. Consecration is still the best sour made in the USA.

A nice little afterthought was that I decided to open my bottle of Armand'Spirit (the spirit that was distilled from the 'ruined' 3F lambic). Having not had a lot of experience with sake, my friend said that it smelled like a really good sake. I, not being sake-knowledgeable, agreed. When I tasted it...it's ridiculously complex but not necessarily my favourite thing to just drink, you know? I'd share it with beer nerd friends for sure, but it's not something I'm going to make a cocktail out of and just drink on a weeknight.

Midorka
Jun 10, 2011

I have a pretty fucking good palate, passed BJCP and level 2 cicerone which is more than half of you dudes can say, so I don't give a hoot anymore about this toxic community.

Toebone posted:

Hey Midorka / other NJ goons, there's Carton night at my local place next week, what's worth getting?

Boat 4.2% Session Ale
O77XX 7.8% Double IPA
Milk 4.0% Session Milk Stout
Carton Canyon 6.4% Agave Adjunct Lager
Intermezzo 5.0% Green Apple and Wasabi Sour
BDG 6.0% Country Ale
Red Rye Returning 6.5% ABV
Decoy 12% ABV Winter Warmer
GORP 8.4% Trail Ale
077-07066 Double IPA rehopped for Cloverleaf
School Of… Mosaic
School Of... Saison
Tippy Batch # 79: Oak Smoked Black Lager
Tippy Batch # 80: Gose with Lemongrass and Clams
Tippy Batch # 83: Sour ale with lime and cherries
Tippy Batch # 85: Bergamot ESB

I've had Boat and 077XX before, both were enjoyable.

Boat Beer is one of the best session beers I've ever had and 077xx rivals any West Coast IIPA. I had Intermezzo yesterday and it was a sulfur bomb with hints of green apple. The manager at my store didn't even bother tapping the other sixtel we had to see if it was an isolated problem, which is a shame because I really think the keg was an anomaly. BDG is pretty darn good, it reminds me of a spiced brown ale, but not as intense as a Fall or Winter beer is. It's a malty beer with some spices, cocoa and caramel. Red Rye is a decent red ale, lots of pine and rye spice. I don't think it's good for this heat we've been having though. Avoid Decoy. It's far too hot for that beer now, which is a heavily spiced, very thick and malty, Winter warmer. GORP is excellent and a necessary try. Peanuts and chocolate on the nose, with the same in the body backed by raisins, it's incredibly good. The rest I haven't had, but Carton is usually pretty drat good.

TL:DR: Try BDG and GORP. Avoid Decoy. Red Rye is worth a try if you like piney/spicy red ales. Try Intermezzo only if they allow a taster first.

cryme posted:

Monday maybe. All the good ones will be capital-P Packed if you don't get there early enough.

I figured as much. Are there any good events I should try to go to Monday during the day?

Docjowles posted:

It says bottled July 2012. Does Green Flash sit on it a while to let the brett develop or has this just been hanging out at my local store for the last 11 months without me noticing? If that's considered fresh for this beer, how long will it continue to improve with age?
I think it's been hanging out for a while. We haven't ordered Rayon Vert since I've been at my new job (2 months) and even then it hasn't sold even a four pack in the 2 months I've been there. I'm guessing we've had it since 2012 at the very least and ours is dated July 2012.

Edit: So on the topic of freshness. I've noticed that there are many canned beers that use Ball cans, in-fact almost all of them. They all have a Julian code on them, but what I've noticed is that the code on the can has never been indicative of the date canned on beers that stamp their dates. For instance I saw a Dale's stamped April, but the Julian code on the can would indicate it was from March. Same thing with Heady Topper I just got, it indicates on the can that the beer was canned in March, but I know for a fact that it was canned on Monday. I'm beginning to wonder if the Sierra Nevada can Julian dates by Ball are actually production date. I'm thinking they are can production date, therefor the Julian on the cans is worthless.

I could be just coming to a realization that many of you already knew though. I won't be judging a canned beers freshness by the Julian though unless it's stamped by the brewery itself now.

Midorka fucked around with this message at 15:51 on Jun 1, 2013

cryme
Apr 9, 2004

by zen death robot

Midorka posted:



I figured as much. Are there any good events I should try to go to Monday during the day?


Monk's is putting a bunch of sour beers including a Cantillon on at noon on Monday. But I bet that will get pack because, well, it's Monk's.

crazyfish
Sep 19, 2002

cryme posted:

Monk's is putting a bunch of sour beers including a Cantillon on at noon on Monday. But I bet that will get pack because, well, it's Monk's.

I was curious even though I live nowhere near Philadelphia:

quote:

Doors open at 11:30AM. CASH ONLY!

We’ll be pouring 11 World-Class Sour Ales; 1 very special oyster stout; and Pliny

ALL DRAFT BEER IS CASH ONLY TODAY.

THE SOURS:
1. Monk’s Café Flemish Sour
2. Allagash FV 13
3. Allagash Interlude
4. Bahnhof’s Berliner Weiss w/barley & potatoes
5. Bahnhof’s Berliner Weiss w/malt & oats
6. Cantillon St. Lamvinous
7. Petrus Aged Pale Ale
8. Russian River Consecration
9. Russian River Sanctification
10 Russian River Supplication
11. Tilquin Gueuze

THE STOUT:
12. Birra del Borgo Perle a Porci Oyster Stout
they add Fin de Claire oysters from Brittany and Telline clams from the Tyrrhenian Sea

YET MORE:
13. Russian River Blind Pig
14. Russian River Damnation
15. Russian River Pliny the Elder
+ 5 more great beers on draft!

Tilquin, St. Lamvinus and FV13 all on tap? drat.

FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002
God I love FV13. I haven't opened a single other sour since I nabbed a case of that a month back or so. I really want to see Allagash's sour production take off. I'd love to see this one more regularly (and a bit cheaper).

deedee megadoodoo
Sep 28, 2000
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I, I took the one to Flavortown, and that has made all the difference.


crazyfish posted:

I was curious even though I live nowhere near Philadelphia:


Tilquin, St. Lamvinus and FV13 all on tap? drat.

Monk's is ridiculous. They always have a great draft and bottle list, but their events are obscene.

Also, on Intermezzo chat, I had a glass last night at Devil's Den and it's awesome. You should've tapped the other one. Slight foot funk on the nose but it tastes like green apples and lemon and wheat with slight spice from the wasabi. It's loving delicious.

Edit: meet the brewer events are hilarious. A bunch of people walking up to some brewer they've never met trying to have conversations based solely on "I love your beer" or "remember that time you put ______ in red wine barrels? That was awesome."

deedee megadoodoo fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Jun 1, 2013

SUPER HASSLER
Jan 31, 2005

HatfulOfHollow posted:

Monk's is ridiculous. They always have a great draft and bottle list, but their events are obscene.

I am, in fact, still recovering from the hangover I received from their "let's put 20 imperial stouts on tap" event on New Years' Day.

cryme
Apr 9, 2004

by zen death robot

crazyfish posted:

I was curious even though I live nowhere near Philadelphia:


Tilquin, St. Lamvinus and FV13 all on tap? drat.

Frankly, that's a relatively tame Monk's draft list TBH.

JackDarko
Sep 30, 2009

"Amala, I've got a chainsaw on my arm. I'll be fine."
What are the best, relatively easy to find Sours I should try next after Consecration? I live in Los Angeles.

cryme
Apr 9, 2004

by zen death robot

JackDarko posted:

What are the best, relatively easy to find Sours I should try next after Consecration? I live in Los Angeles.

Supplication?

Eejit
Mar 6, 2007

Swiss Army Cockatoo
Cacatua multitoolii

JackDarko posted:

What are the best, relatively easy to find Sours I should try next after Consecration? I live in Los Angeles.

Monks Cafe, Duchesse De Bourgogne, and Saison Rue from the Bruery. That's a pretty good range of easy to find sours that will hit in different directions and help you get a sense of what soured beers can be like. Also Supplication and Temptation from RR are solid if you enjoyed Consecration.

JackDarko
Sep 30, 2009

"Amala, I've got a chainsaw on my arm. I'll be fine."

Eejit posted:

Monks Cafe, Duchesse De Bourgogne, and Saison Rue from the Bruery. That's a pretty good range of easy to find sours that will hit in different directions and help you get a sense of what soured beers can be like. Also Supplication and Temptation from RR are solid if you enjoyed Consecration.

Absolutely loved it, most delicious beer I've ever had. I have no idea if I was drinking it right, but as it got warmer it actually started tasting better and better. I'll make sure to try all of those.

cryme posted:

Supplication?

Thank you sir!

Captain Shortbus
May 14, 2011

You did it right. Supplication is my favorite RR sour, and if you enjoy it, try to hunt down a Boulevard Love Child No. 3. It's superb as well.

funkybottoms
Oct 28, 2010

Funky Bottoms is a land man
yeah, Supplication and Consecration are near the top of the heap, and if you come across Beatification, snatch up as much as you can. it's a lot more tart than the other two, but if you don't like it, goons will beat a path to your door for the rest. Lost Abbey, Cascade, Almanac- most of them graciously goon-provided- and the Bruery make great wild/sour beers, as well, although they tend to be fairly expensive.

oh, and you drank it correctly, don't worry.

SUPER HASSLER
Jan 31, 2005



Having "Swill Beer" at the 10 Barrel, a lightly sour Berliner weisse that I think they add grapefruit juice to. This is without a doubt the best summer beer I've ever had, and considering I used to live someplace where summer was de-facto 7 months long, I consider myself an expert on the subject.

Seriously, I could drink this all day. Hooray for 10 Barrel and hooray for Bend. :patriot:

JackDarko
Sep 30, 2009

"Amala, I've got a chainsaw on my arm. I'll be fine."
Oh fantastic I was worried I missed some subtle process. Are there any good guides for pouring beer into glass and which glasses to use? Consecration lets you know what bottle to use with a graphic on the cork. However I wasn't brave enough to pour the beer into a glass.

funkybottoms
Oct 28, 2010

Funky Bottoms is a land man

JackDarko posted:

Oh fantastic I was worried I missed some subtle process. Are there any good guides for pouring beer into glass and which glasses to use? Consecration lets you know what bottle to use with a graphic on the cork. However I wasn't brave enough to pour the beer into a glass.

...you drank it from the bottle?

JackDarko
Sep 30, 2009

"Amala, I've got a chainsaw on my arm. I'll be fine."

funkybottoms posted:

...you drank it from the bottle?

See, I told you I did it wrong!

funkybottoms
Oct 28, 2010

Funky Bottoms is a land man
Let's Talk Beer 4: Consecration Straight from the Bottle


yeah, dude, pour it in a glass- preferably something like a tulip or goblet snifter (i always do that). this allows the beer to warm up gradually, which gives you more flavor, and also releases the aroma, which of course is a big part of the flavor, too. by curving back in, tulips and goblets trap more of that aroma right where your nose goes when you take a (nice, refined) sip.

funkybottoms fucked around with this message at 00:32 on Jun 2, 2013

JackDarko
Sep 30, 2009

"Amala, I've got a chainsaw on my arm. I'll be fine."

funkybottoms posted:

Let's Talk Beer 4: Consecration Straight from the Bottle


yeah, dude, pour it in a glass- preferably something like a tulip or goblet. this allows the beer to warm up gradually, which gives you more flavor, and also releases the aroma, which of course is a big part of the flavor, too. by curving back in, tulips and goblets trap more of that aroma right where your nose goes when you take a (nice, refined) sip.

I knew I'd be embarassed for asking, but i'm glad I did. Thanks again funkybottoms.

SUPER HASSLER
Jan 31, 2005

Glass types don't matter thaaaaaaaaat much, but a glass is always a fine idea, yes. I think the OP talks about glasses a bit.

funkybottoms
Oct 28, 2010

Funky Bottoms is a land man

SUPER HASSLER posted:

Glass types don't matter thaaaaaaaaat much, but a glass is always a fine idea, yes. I think the OP talks about glasses a bit.

agreed. i have a few stemmed glasses for fancy sippin' beers, some quasi-weizen glasses so i don't have to take ten minutes to pour a hefe, and nonic pints for everything else.

crazyfish
Sep 19, 2002

I have a lot of glassware if only because I like glassware. In practice, I wind up using my Jolly Pumpkin and Bourbon County snifters for nearly everything that isn't the kind of style that generates massive heads like saisons and witbiers.

Hell, even a red solo cup is an improvement over straight from the bottle.

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Eejit
Mar 6, 2007

Swiss Army Cockatoo
Cacatua multitoolii

Don't worry about glassware, it's not very important. There's two types of glasses you need for proper beer-drinkin'. For your casual, every day kind of beer an ordinary drinking glass works perfectly. It's good for everything from porters, most IPAs and pale ales, stouts, ambers, and anything else you'd drink without thinking too hard about it. The pros of a regular glass are that it holds lots of beer which is great for beer that you're gonna drink a lot of.

The other type of glass you want is a tulip/goblet shaped glass like funkybottoms suggested. The benefit of a tulip is that, like a wine glass, it creates a sort of chamber for the aroma to gather. On big and fancy beers like Consecration (and imperial IPAs or stouts, saisons, etc) that have a lot of stuff going on in the nose, it's worth it. Plus you're going to sip those beers anyways so you don't need a glass that supports chugging. That's really it. Anything beyond that is gravy--I'm never going to complain about drinking from "proper" glassware, but most of it is rooted in tradition over an actual function.

However, you're almost always going to want to drink beer out of a glass. I'll drink from the can or bottle in the parking lot after a hike or whathaveyou, but those are also going to be simpler beers anyways. With bottle conditioned or barrel aged beers, another reason you want to drink from the glass is so that you're not drinking the yeast "floaters" included in the bottle. They're harmless and not flavor-altering, but there's also no particular reason you'd want to drink them either. When pouring a beer like that, let it sit upright for a few minutes, then pour the beer with the glass at an angle and leave the last bit--the dregs--in the bottom of the bottle and you should end up without too much yeast floatin' 'round in your drink. Pouring in at an angle reduces the amount of head you generate, but if there's room left as you're pouring or you want more head on the beer, you can pour the last third or so with the glass upright.

e: f,b

Captain Shortbus posted:

You did it right. Supplication is my favorite RR sour, and if you enjoy it, try to hunt down a Boulevard Love Child No. 3. It's superb as well.

Seconding this! Beerspergs went after LC#3 pretty hard though, so it might be difficult to find.

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