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The problem with Undertale is: OK you know that guy at work/school/in public? You know the guy, he always has a joke for every situation and is constantly stopping you to show you his latest joke? At first you humor him cause hey, they're actually funny jokes. But then its day 20 and he's STILL making jokes about everything that happens and you're just so loving sick about it that you wanna smother him with a pillow just to shut him up from coming up with another hilarious quip. Undertale is that guy.
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aardwolf posted:Exactly how much time am I supposed to put in to this game before it magically turns good? 'cos I'm half an hour in and holy poo poo what a snooze fest. 'Half an hour in' doesn't give us much of an idea how far you are, especially in an RPG and especially in Undertale since there's a lot of things you could be skipping or spending more time on. Generally, the point of view on when Undertale 'magically turns good' is when Sans and Papyrus get some room to move. The first section of the game was originally the demo, made well before the rest of the game, and it didn't get much polish afterwards. So it's got a very different feel, focusing far more on puzzles and combat rather than the balance the rest of the game strikes.
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Mar 12, 2016 09:12
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aardwolf posted:Exactly how much time am I supposed to put in to this game before it magically turns good? 'cos I'm half an hour in and holy poo poo what a snooze fest. Have you made it through the ruins and town yet? Do you see any snow? Do you remember petting a dog far more times than is actually healthy? Did you accidently date a skeleton? Or just stop playing the game and make some posts about how poo poo the game is, it's your choice here. Only thing that could be lost is your time. Leal posted:The problem with Undertale is: OK you know that guy at work/school/in public? You know the guy, he always has a joke for every situation and is constantly stopping you to show you his latest joke? At first you humor him cause hey, they're actually funny jokes. But then its day 20 and he's STILL making jokes about everything that happens and you're just so loving sick about it that you wanna smother him with a pillow just to shut him up from coming up with another hilarious quip. Yep, that's Hotland for ya.
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Mar 12, 2016 09:22
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RareAcumen posted:Have you made it through the ruins and town yet? Do you see any snow? Do you remember petting a dog far more times than is actually healthy? Did you accidently date a skeleton? I mean, I did that stuff myself and the game has yet to pull me in. Not saying it's poo poo, but not something I'm into.
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Mar 12, 2016 09:30
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Cleretic posted:Generally, the point of view on when Undertale 'magically turns good' is when Sans and Papyrus get some room to move. The first section of the game was originally the demo, made well before the rest of the game, and it didn't get much polish afterwards. So it's got a very different feel, focusing far more on puzzles and combat rather than the balance the rest of the game strikes. Alright, maybe I was a little impatient. I will give the game another go. Thanks, duder! RareAcumen posted:Have you made it through the ruins and town yet? Do you see any snow? Do you remember petting a dog far more times than is actually healthy? Did you accidently date a skeleton? Um, I don't know how to respond to this other than to observe that I think you are projecting a bunch of stuff on to me that isn't true.
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Mar 12, 2016 09:39
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If a game doesn't draw you in within the first ten minutes of gameplay, it is an objectively bad game.
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Mar 12, 2016 09:40
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Some people on the internet are way too concerned about making sure everyone else has the same videogame opinions they do. It's okay if someone doesn't like a game that you like.
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Mar 12, 2016 09:42
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The first section of the game was made years ago for the demo, and it really shows because it's worse than the rest of the game. The dev really should have gone back and given it some improvements.
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Mar 12, 2016 10:15
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aardwolf posted:Um, I don't know how to respond to this other than to observe that I think you are projecting a bunch of stuff on to me that isn't true. If you don't like the game then make some posts about how you didn't like the game, in this, the thing dragging this game down thread. I don't think it's projecting that much to say 'Either give it till here or just stop and post about what you didn't enjoy' kazil posted:I mean, I did that stuff myself and the game has yet to pull me in. Not saying it's poo poo, but not something I'm into. And that's okay and I'm not saying you're wrong? I'm not saying everyone needs to have the same video game opinions as everyone- or I'm not trying to come off that way- I'm just trying to give the point where the game generally hooks people and if it doesn't work for you, well then it doesn't work for you. I know I didn't care for Deus Ex Human Revolution, despite it being generally favorably received. RareAcumen has a new favorite as of 10:49 on Mar 12, 2016 |
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Mar 12, 2016 10:46
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Screaming Idiot posted:If a game doesn't draw you in within the first ten minutes of gameplay, it is an objectively bad game. The thing dragging Undertale down is that I liked it so much that I now feel really bad for people who don't get into it.
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Mar 12, 2016 13:37
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I had to start undertale over 3 times before I got into it because I'd just be exhausted by the end of the intro area and be like "well if this is all I'm going to get for the next few hours I dunno it I'm sold." I finally bit the bullet and kept going and the game improved dramatically once I cleared the ruins. I hear major game developers usually do the intro part of the game last, once the games vision is further along and it can be given the most polish, because it's so important to draw the player in and this game really needed some of that. RagnarokAngel has a new favorite as of 18:41 on Mar 12, 2016 |
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Mar 12, 2016 14:03
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The thing that drags the Dark Souls series down for me is the way a lot of its fans try to present the series to other people as this ridiculously impossible super hardcore game. I mean I love Dark Souls but come on, it's not that hard, you just have to pay a bit of attention. Actually a significant chunk of the Dark Souls fanbase are tools now that I think of it. The series is light on plot but has interesting story clues and snippets in item descriptions that you can take a look at if you're interested, but that got warped into "you have to read all the item descriptions!" Plus, woe betide you if you record or stream a Dark Souls game and are anything less than optimal, because you WILL get jumped on for it. The comment sections in Slowbeef's videos of Dark Souls and Bloodborne get this a lot.
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Mar 12, 2016 14:03
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Dr Snofeld posted:The thing that drags the Dark Souls series down for me is the way a lot of its fans try to present the series to other people as this ridiculously impossible super hardcore game. I mean I love Dark Souls but come on, it's not that hard, you just have to pay a bit of attention. I did this recently.  I gave my ps3 copy to some friends and said, "try this, you'll die a lot!" but not in some tryhard tone but more jokingly.I ragequit my first run bc I kept dying to the basilisks in the depths, and I think the only way to get a purging stone at the time was to farm 6000 souls and get it from the hollow peddler behind the bars. when I got back to the game years later I learned how to avoid all the drops that brought me to the curse pit.
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Mar 12, 2016 14:10
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The fans are definitely the worst part of the Souls games and that weird game of telephone happens to pretty much every aspect of them. Like the Drake Sword. A mediocre weapon that scales up badly but you can get it early on so it's nice to have if you're struggling in the first area. Especially since you get it by shooting the tail off of a giant dragon you wouldn't normally even think of fighting since it can one shot you with ease. I've seen people in streams lose their poo poo because the streamer grabbed it to make the next few rooms easier while they waited to get the stats for their main weapon build or whatever. Because apparently just touching the thing means you're forever a poo poo casual.
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Mar 12, 2016 14:16
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:Some people on the internet are way too concerned about making sure everyone else has the same videogame opinions they do. It's okay if someone doesn't like a game that you like. It's the people who don't like the game* that are the ones going out of their way to shout from the rooftops that the highest-rated game of all time on Metacritic is actually complete dogshit and that everyone who likes is wrong, though...  *Note: may not have actually played more than 20 minutes of the game
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Mar 12, 2016 14:51
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Sleeveless posted:It's the people who don't like the game* that are the ones going out of their way to shout from the rooftops that the highest-rated game of all time on Metacritic is actually complete dogshit and that everyone who likes is wrong, though... Have you even seen the comments and poo poo people get for not liking Undertale on any site? Go to Steam and read the comments of the negative reviews. Even if the review is "It wasn't for me, but I can see why people like it" there'll be at least 5 people screaming at them to kill themselves for bringing the rating down a tiny bit.
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Mar 12, 2016 15:10
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The Ruins area in Undertale was created three years ago for the demo. It's definitely not representative of the rest of the game. Anyways, a thing dragging Stardew Valley down is the fishing mini-game. Maybe it gets better as you level up fishing, but holy poo poo it's annoying when you're just starting out.
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Mar 12, 2016 15:12
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Dr Snofeld posted:The thing that drags the Dark Souls series down for me is the way a lot of its fans try to present the series to other people as this ridiculously impossible super hardcore game. I mean I love Dark Souls but come on, it's not that hard, you just have to pay a bit of attention. Dark Souls is hard because you have to think and pay attention, which you honestly really don't have to do in most games. If you know what's going on, it doesn't demand that much actual dexterity or skill on the player's behalf. It's just that if you play lazy you're gonna get your rear end kicked, and if you're stupid and lack pattern recognition then you'll have more trouble with it than you're probably supposed to. The reputation the games have is probably predicated on that. The only exception to me is Bloodborne, which I have beaten several times and still struggle with because it's such a fast-paced game.
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Mar 12, 2016 16:00
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Dr Christmas posted:They get their fuel from the same place all the abandoned buildings get their power. I'll accept it.
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Mar 12, 2016 16:15
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Swedish Horror posted:The Ruins area in Undertale was created three years ago for the demo. It's definitely not representative of the rest of the game. It gets much easier as you level up fishing.
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Mar 12, 2016 16:27
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Screaming Idiot posted:If a game doesn't draw you in within the first ten minutes of gameplay, it is an objectively bad game. lol edit: yeah cause some good games don't have rough or slow starts like Borderlands, Dead Rising, Fallout (from 3 onwards), nah those are poo poo cause the first ten minutes don't define the rest of the game  edit 2: Something dragging down the Fallout series for me is that Bethesda emphasizes parts of gameplay, new or not, without really expanding on them. Customizable guns? Sweet, except you need to forage the wasteland for all the adhesive in the world to attach any modification to a gun, which is where the realism aspect of the scavenging is just, dumb. Another stupid part of customization is needing to upgrade the loving skills to upgrade your guns, and even though they tried to give a lot of the tiers of modifications different abilities like better crit damage, better accuracy and less damage, it doesn't loving matter because upgrading the damage output pretty much always curbs the other possibilities. spit on my clit has a new favorite as of 18:58 on Mar 12, 2016 |
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Mar 12, 2016 18:40
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The question is how long you should have to invest in a game before writing it off, we're not made of free time after all. I think about an hour is a decent length of time to get the measure of a game, if there's nothing you really enjoy in it after that that makes you want to come back then it's not the game for you.
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Mar 12, 2016 19:05
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Dr Snofeld posted:The thing that drags the Dark Souls series down for me is the way a lot of its fans try to present the series to other people as this ridiculously impossible super hardcore game. I mean I love Dark Souls but come on, it's not that hard, you just have to pay a bit of attention. I think that's what makes it so hard for a lot of people. You play enough action/adventure/FPS games and you get used to a certain way of playing. Enemies pop out of nowhere, damage is something you give and take, more or less you're moving around and even if you get surprised or ambushed you can probably take down the enemy without much of a hindrance. In Dark Souls nearly everything coming at you is telegraphed if you're paying attention and it'll probably kill you if you're not. In some ways it felt more like a puzzle game to me because each enemy encounter was less '"I'm gonna hit them with my sword a lot before they hit me with their sword a lot" and more "okay so there are three enemies with such and such weapons and abilities up ahead, how can I take them down without leaving myself vulnerable to any of them?"
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Assassin's Creed: Rogue has a great main-campaign that's better paced than Black Flag, and with no eavesdropping bullshit. The problem, however, is that all the side-activities are all the same, and often reward you bugger all. You can find 24 treasure maps, which tell you the hiding places of 24 relics, which unlocks a suit of armour that does nothing. You can activate all 7 magic Native American pillars which unlocks a hideous suit of armour that also does nothing. You can find all 15 pieces of a Viking Sword, giving you a weapon outclassed by anything you can buy in a shop, as well as a suit that does nothing. There's a staggering number of treasure chests that give you gently caress-all money and tokens that don't do anything. I thought Donkey Kong 3D killed off the collect-athon? Money becomes plentiful after a while, meaning you can skip hunting for crafting items. I never once harpooned a whale since I could just buy whale skin in the shop. The game really struggles to justify why it takes place over three huge maps when its optional content is so slight. I feel the AC games would feel less formulaic if it were structured like an RPG, where every single quest is hand-crafted. and there is a story attached to your every action. The Templar Hunts from Black Flag were really inspired, and in the right direction, because it was the only time you interacted with not-faceless NPCs in a sidequest.
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Mar 12, 2016 20:00
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The thing dragging down assassin's creed is only one of them had sea shanties. I assume.
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Kit Walker posted:I think that's what makes it so hard for a lot of people. You play enough action/adventure/FPS games and you get used to a certain way of playing. Enemies pop out of nowhere, damage is something you give and take, more or less you're moving around and even if you get surprised or ambushed you can probably take down the enemy without much of a hindrance. In Dark Souls nearly everything coming at you is telegraphed if you're paying attention and it'll probably kill you if you're not. In some ways it felt more like a puzzle game to me because each enemy encounter was less '"I'm gonna hit them with my sword a lot before they hit me with their sword a lot" and more "okay so there are three enemies with such and such weapons and abilities up ahead, how can I take them down without leaving myself vulnerable to any of them?" My solution to every problem ended up being two handing a Black Knight Longsword and stabbing things in the dick. That strategy got me through Sens all the way to Gwyn. Turns out even iron golems are weak to that strategy.
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2house2fly posted:The question is how long you should have to invest in a game before writing it off, we're not made of free time after all. I think about an hour is a decent length of time to get the measure of a game, if there's nothing you really enjoy in it after that that makes you want to come back then it's not the game for you. Nobody can tell you, you have to figure it out for yourself because it differs for every person.
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Mar 12, 2016 21:18
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Undertale just has a really ridiculous and rabid fanbase, even the creator doesn't like them.
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Mar 12, 2016 22:01
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In Fallout 4, I just got to VaultTec HQ. It's poo poo. It's only 3 short floors of like 4 rooms a piecz and a basement the size of a two-car garage, has a handful of terminals just talking about a Patrick Bateman boss, and no actual tie into the company's concrete presence in the game. Swap out "my boss doesn't believe me that the Vaults are Experiements!" with pretty much anything else, and its tie into Vault-Tec is meaningless. This place should have had vault locations get marked on your map, include a bobblehead of some kind to reward your explanation, and let you get up on the rooftops from a CEO's office or something like other high rises do. This was a location people told me to seek out because it's cool, and there was zero reason to even show up besides picking up a few stupid lunchboxes and OHK-ing a half dozen ghouls
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Mar 12, 2016 22:05
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They have a regional HQ in Boston, which is the location I was at.
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death .cab for qt posted:They have a regional HQ in Boston, which is the location I was at. That's pretty dumb, then, cause the one in DC does mark all the Capital's vaults on your map.
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Mar 12, 2016 22:25
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Alteisen posted:Undertale/Dark Souls/Dota 2/Call of Duty just has a really ridiculous and rabid fanbase, even the creator doesn't like them.
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Mar 12, 2016 22:38
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Did you know the director of Black Ops has around the clock bodyguards? That's insane to me.
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Alteisen posted:Did you know the director of Black Ops has around the clock bodyguards? Aren't there youtube personalities who have to have a bodyguard with them when they go to conventions cause of crazy fans?
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I don't know but I definitely remember seeing one call of duty designer (might be him) getting an incredible volume of death threats because he increased the time between shots on some sniper rifle by maybe a tenth of a second. Gamers are the thing dragging this game down.
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Alteisen posted:Undertale just has a really ridiculous and rabid fanbase, even the creator doesn't like them. Toby Fox is fine with his fans. Guy worked on Homestuck, he's seen worse.
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Digirat posted:I don't know but I definitely remember seeing one call of duty designer (might be him) getting an incredible volume of death threats because he increased the time between shots on some sniper rifle by maybe a tenth of a second. Yea that's him Vondeehar, dude has bodyguards ALL THE TIME with him like high ranking government officials do.
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Digirat posted:I don't know but I definitely remember seeing one call of duty designer (might be him) getting an incredible volume of death threats because he increased the time between shots on some sniper rifle by maybe a tenth of a second. I remember that. The overreaction was obviously barking mad but for what its worth in multiplayer shootman games .05 seconds is a noticeable and meaningful difference and I don't mean for people who win lans with hefty prizepools but for regular chumps like me too. I wasn't playing cod but I remember thinking the dev shouldn't have played the situation like it was next to nothing because obviously if it was why bother.
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Krinkle posted:The thing dragging down assassin's creed is only one of them had sea shanties. I assume. Black Flag and Rogue both have shanties, but that's still a far too low shanty percentage.
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