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Also you're ignoring the more important fact that it doesn't matter what white people, or the developed north think. History is history, not current political affiliations
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History isn’t even real dude lol
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history is a bunch of bullshit written by a bunch of assholes with agendas and we have no way of knowing for sure what ever actually happened outside the broadest strokes or what can be corroborated through anthropology he who controls the present controls the past, he who controls the past controls the future - vlad "the illest" lenin
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Dreddout posted:I'm more sympathetic to Cuba there but dude c'mon Venezuela is a nation state that is western in terms of state structure and history. They just pissed off the entire western world by voting in socialists, but that doesn't make them not western it it’s not Western in the one way that counts: whiteness. occidentalists are all at their core, racially motivated - and when considering why Latin American countries aren’t a part of the First World, they claim it’s because of too much indigenous influence corroding strong white Christian values more accurately, the West is comprised of settler-states around the globe and their European places of origin.
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Feb 26, 2018 21:47
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i feel like you're working backwards with this definition
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Prav posted:i feel like you're working backwards with this definition so did Westerners lmao
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I don't understand the vitriolic hate that gets directed at zizek. It's sad because zizek is the only real guy developing leftist theory in a new and interesting direction, but its baffling because the vitriol is so schizophrenic. I've never seen a criticism that wasn't based on some absurd misrepresentation, and calling zizek an imperialist is just exhibit A.
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Feb 26, 2018 22:12
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:You think White people care about any of that?
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big talk from the monogatari avatar man
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Feb 26, 2018 22:18
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What? I like what I like, I don't care where it came from. That's, like, the opposite of -philia. You don't think your being a little disingenuous here?
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Feb 26, 2018 22:25
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sorry comrades i gotta side with rudatron on this one *racks SKS* alright who wants to be the first up against the wall
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Feb 26, 2018 22:25
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:*racks SKS* hmm very interesting choice of weapon "Brutalist"McDonalds-tovarisch
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Feb 26, 2018 22:28
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people hate on zizek because they are stuck a century in the past reading outdated works by long dead individuals and arguing about which obsolete theories have more merit
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Feb 26, 2018 22:31
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:
Slavyayo Zizek would've been better
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Feb 26, 2018 22:32
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my main criticism of zizek is he hasn't written anything interesting since the early 90s
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Feb 26, 2018 22:33
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:so did Westerners lmao *italian chef kissing fingers*
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Wheeee posted:people hate on zizek because they are stuck a century in the past reading outdated works by long dead individuals and arguing about which obsolete theories have more merit also because they can't come to grips with the fact the he's got as little clue as the rest of us as to what is to be done. he keeps arguing the different ways we're adrift and alienated on a cultural dialogue level, and that's bad because it doesn't offer any concrete electoral plan or whatever. Or at least that's the cebter of the argument i think?
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Zizek is against Nazi punching but other than that he seems fine. Hardly worthy of the vitriol that is often directed against him by a lot of the online left.
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AnEdgelord posted:Zizek is against Nazi punching he is?
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Feb 26, 2018 22:37
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isn't he a pacifist
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lollontee posted:he is? Yeah
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punching nazis doesn't stop them, it feeds into their narrative of victimization and builds support for them among the liberals who've been so thoroughly domesticated that they view any act of violence (on home turf against white people) as abhorrent they tried punching the nazis during their rise to power last time, it didn't work out so well if you cannot viciously disenfranchise the fascist, kill it
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i am chomping at the bit for the impending exchange of platitudes regarding political violence
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Karl Barks posted:isn't he a pacifist he has publically stated support for death penalty for rape i wanna see some sources on this? no offence, i just didn't think he was a pacifist?
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i think zizek has said that punching nazis in the face is unproductive, which I do happen to agree with. I'm still fine with punching nazis, but he is right in saying that it is consequenceless euphoria in the same sense that Tahrir Square and the rest of the Arab Spring was. doesn't mean he disapproves of punching nazis I doin't think?
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lollontee posted:i think zizek has said that punching nazis in the face is unproductive, which I do happen to agree with. I'm still fine with punching nazis, but he is right in saying that it is consequenceless euphoria in the same sense that Tahrir Square and the rest of the Arab Spring was. doesn't mean he disapproves of punching nazis I doin't think? this is basically how i feel, except the richard spencer punch. that one did some poo poo
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yea it got a whole lot of otherwise disconnected people to start talking about those violent freedom of speech hating antifa terrorists
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punching nazis made them afraid to demonstrate
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Where was he against nazi punching? Thats not something I've ever heard. Anyway, I don't see anyone else other than zizek even attempting to provide a thoroughly intellectual treatment of the issues the left faces. Woke dipshits reduce it all to (White) People Being Bad, and never ask why. Its all ressentiment/moralisms. There's no other major figures treating it materially, which is I guess the real shame.
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rudatron posted:Where was he against nazi punching? Thats not something I've ever heard. https://qz.com/896463/is-it-ok-to-punch-a-nazi-philosopher-slavoj-zizek-talks-richard-spencer-nazis-and-donald-trump/ quote:Quartz: So, is it OK to punch a Nazi?
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Anyway the real reason people don't like Zizek is that he can be pretty annoying, and is more tolerable in short bursts.
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Wheeee posted:people hate on zizek because they are stuck a century in the past reading outdated works by long dead individuals and arguing about which obsolete theories have more merit as opposed to the lacanian philosopher lol
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*looking at a map of 1600's New Spain* Yeah South America is VERY non-Western, and furthermore
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do the majority of latin american consider themselves 'western' though? What about colonial Africa? What about India? Is it east, west, or it's own unique thing? ultimately the labelling is probably more thought-deforming than enlightening, not least of which because the act of trying to 'distill' a 'pure' authentic core of an emergent, historically contingent phenomena (culture, art, etc) is a fundamentally reactionary tendency. but I guess it's more about geopolitics and how it's going to shape up post-US. who's gonna pick what side, and what are the sides? are there even sides? I dunno lol
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the sides are capital and everyone else capital is already winning everywhere
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Zizek is a troll so I support him
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zizek is as zizek does
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https://twitter.com/reformed_cretin/status/930600506904469504
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It's white women who gently caress dogs, and white men kiss dogs on the mouth. smdh
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hey has anybody ever tried to take courtois’ methodology for calculating the “death toll of communism” and tried applying it to capitalist countries? edit: obv. courtois’ methodology is flawed as all hell because “the black book of communism” was written with the explicit ideological goal of making it look as bad as possible. Instant Sunrise fucked around with this message at 05:02 on Feb 27, 2018 |
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