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15 | 3.71% |
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115 | 28.47% |
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67 | 16.58% |
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94 | 23.27% |
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14 | 3.47% |
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87 | 21.53% |
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Jon Pod Van Damm posted:Wikipedia delivers. "Salome Zourabichvili was born into a family of Georgian emigrants that fled to France following the 1921 Red Army invasion of the Democratic Republic of Georgia.". lmao, I had forgotten this
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May 16, 2024 22:13
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lobster shirt posted:sorry whats this in reference to? During the planning for the Gulf War the CIA got the French firm that designed the Iraqi central air defense command and control system to just tell them how to quickly and easily backdoor the system and then exactly what to do to destroy it once disabled
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May 16, 2024 22:17
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Nix Panicus posted:During the planning for the Gulf War the CIA got the French firm that designed the Iraqi central air defense command and control system to just tell them how to quickly and easily backdoor the system and then exactly what to do to destroy it once disabled I'm a bit puzzled as to why Iraq would have thought buying something like this from the French would not have something like this built in.
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May 16, 2024 22:20
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bedpan posted:I'm a bit puzzled as to why Iraq would have thought buying something like this from the French would not have something like this built in. to this day non-western nations keep loving up and refuse to understand that the west is a collection of devil nations that will always lie and betray, sometimes for no reason it's why it's taken till 2024 for things to get even a little rocky
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May 16, 2024 22:21
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bedpan posted:aside from the blue/yellow flags? also the red and white one Nix Panicus posted:Given global warming, the warriors of the 22nd century will fight in the heroic nude, with a light sheen of polymimetic impact gel glistening on their bodies for protection it's time to reinvent the dick string Honest Thief posted:Ukrainians reporting civilian executions in the taken cities. Maybe another Bucha, but the media here picked it up very fast in comparison to say, Gaza Anything beyond this report of a single civilian being shot as they fled? Which of course has been the basis for reporting of multiple civilians killed. Ihor Klymenko, Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine posted:
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May 16, 2024 22:23
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bedpan posted:I'm a bit puzzled as to why Iraq would have thought buying something like this from the French would not have something like this built in. France still had pretensions of independence in the 90s, its vassal status was less obvious
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May 16, 2024 22:25
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bedpan posted:I'm a bit puzzled as to why Iraq would have thought buying something like this from the French would not have something like this built in. Saddam held the country thanks to western patronage and his usefulness as a proxy against Iran. He invaded Kuwait with the tacit approval of the US. He thought he was part of the club, not understanding that the west would turn on him in a heartbeat
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May 16, 2024 22:27
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Prior to 1991 the PRC had been relying on France for military modernization, using French licences for helicopters and Crotale SAMs, on top of aircraft systems, air, land and sea radars etc., but abruptly stopped and pivoted back to Russia from 1992. You can say it's because the Sino-Soviet Split ended with the collapse of the USSR, but the lawsuits from French firms suing China for changing their software in these avionics and air defence systems are still working their way through the courts iirc. Probably just a coincidence.
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May 16, 2024 22:28
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It's also worth noting that despite the Gulf War's massive damage to Iraqi air defence, to actually get the kind of air supremacy America wanted (ie needed given the political realities) for a ground invasion, they had to spend over a decade slowly picking apart the remainder of that air defence.
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May 16, 2024 22:28
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dk2m posted:https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/15/putin-could-now-defeat-ukraine-within-months/ I put on my air boots and wizard hat
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May 16, 2024 22:30
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   I wouldn't recommend it, personally.
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May 16, 2024 22:35
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So, international defense treaties are enforced the same way that power tool brand loyalty is. If you switch teams you have to replace everything.
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May 16, 2024 22:40
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Weka posted:It's also worth noting that despite the Gulf War's massive damage to Iraqi air defence, to actually get the kind of air supremacy America wanted (ie needed given the political realities) for a ground invasion, they had to spend over a decade slowly picking apart the remainder of that air defence. The US still lost something like 30 jets to AA fire in Gulf War I even with overwhelming force and the intelligence coup of completely neutralizing Iraq's central air defense command in the opening hours. This idea that a few dozen jets (I think 45ish have been pledged) are going to completely turn around the war is total fantasy. They'll likely be about as useful as HIMARS was - a few spectacular strikes on depots that don't really change the course of the war - except jets are much easier to destroy in the sky or parked on a runway than it is to catch a HIMARS and much harder to keep running
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May 16, 2024 22:40
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nomad2020 posted:So, international defense treaties are enforced the same way that power tool brand loyalty is. *Wrinkles in brain start squirming* well, if you think of missiles as batteries, and a rafale as Milwaukee and flanker as DeWalt ....
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May 16, 2024 22:42
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I'm pretty sure I remember FF mention that batteries are a maintenance item on the man portable ADs.
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May 16, 2024 22:46
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nomad2020 posted:I'm pretty sure I remember FF mention that batteries are a maintenance item on the man portable ADs. Yup. They don’t have a long time when places in the unit with which to fire the missile and run the seeker.
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May 16, 2024 22:50
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Aren't there also LN2 cartridges that cool the seekerhead and once you pop em you got only a few minutes to fire E: it's a component of the battery and it's argon not ln2, and 45 seconds or so till it runs out. I assume the Igla has something similar, doesn't seem like something unique to the Stinger Justin Tyme has issued a correction as of 22:56 on May 16, 2024 |
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May 16, 2024 22:51
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it doest seem optimal to have materiel this finnicky in an environment like a war zone
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May 16, 2024 22:58
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Nix Panicus posted:I don't understand how air power would be the big turn around for the war. They're losing on the ground. What can jets do turn the ground battle? Drop bombs on trenches? They could do that far cheaper and far more comprehensively with artillery. Hunt tanks? That would leave them open to man portable anti air weapons It has do so something! That or 80 years of US/NATO doctrine was based on a delusion and it can't be that
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May 16, 2024 23:02
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Deadly Ham Sandwich posted:I was trying to search for it and instead I'm seeing articles about Iraq getting another French air defense system in 2022. lmbo France didn’t have some magic way or single place to bomb to take down Iraqi air defense systems; that’s a myth. The main weakness exploited: KARI was never designed to handle threats from 1,000 sorties across multiple axes, especially in combination with electronic warfare and hundreds of decoys and kicked off by stealth fighter bombing strikes on the IADS’ intercept operations center. So by exploiting a ton of mass and striking C2 nodes, that does bad things to the IADS. It wasn’t some hacker backdoor switch. The opening of the air campaign was just stuff like blowing up early warning radars, lots of anti-radiation missiles, and then bombing C2 nodes, bombing radars and airbases, etc, all supported an absurd amount of decoys and jamming. It was also a time when the US mil was at peak cold war size while facing largely Soviet air defense systems they had already had a chance to study extensively. And they still lost a few aircraft each day for a while, totaling 30-ish jets lost. The myth of France being able to just turn off its exports is a common one. Brits sometimes gey mad because some of them still believe France could have just remote-deactivated Exocets or something.
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May 16, 2024 23:12
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https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/16/us/politics/nato-ukraine.html As Russia Advances, NATO Considers Sending Trainers Into Ukraine quote:NATO allies are inching closer to sending troops into Ukraine to train Ukrainian forces, a move that would be another blurring of a previous red line and could draw the United States and Europe more directly into the war.
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May 16, 2024 23:14
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Put the trainers on the frontline and tell the recruits it's OJT
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May 16, 2024 23:15
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NATO trainers are just going to tell them to wait for the jets
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May 16, 2024 23:18
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mlmp08 posted:France didn’t have some magic way or single place to bomb to take down Iraqi air defense systems; that’s a myth. The main weakness exploited: KARI was never designed to handle threats from 1,000 sorties across multiple axes, especially in combination with electronic warfare and hundreds of decoys and kicked off by stealth fighter bombing strikes on the IADS’ intercept operations center. So by exploiting a ton of mass and striking C2 nodes, that does bad things to the IADS. It wasn’t some hacker backdoor switch.
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May 16, 2024 23:18
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CN CREW-VESSEL posted:How do we get Russia to buy a French centralized air defence system though... ? What? Is this a key peice of Desert Storm knowledge Ive never heard of?
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May 16, 2024 23:25
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Justin Tyme posted:Aren't there also LN2 cartridges that cool the seekerhead and once you pop em you got only a few minutes to fire lobster shirt posted:it doest seem optimal to have materiel this finnicky in an environment like a war zone This also applies to the Javelin, it is so difficult to use. https://www.inetres.com/gp/military/infantry/antiarmor/Javelin.html quote:When a gunner comes across a target of opportunity, he may not be able to take advantage of it. The cool down time of the NVS is 2.5 to 3.5 minutes. Seeker cool down takes about 10 seconds. Once the BCU is activated, the gunner has a maximum of 4 minutes to engage the target before the BCU is spent. Vehicles crossing the street or moving between buildings (flank shot) are exposed for about 10 to 15 seconds, meaning the gunner may not have enough time to lock-on to the target and fire. The night vision uses a separate battery that lasts up to four hours and you can cool it down before activating the BCU. You actually have almost four minutes under ideal conditions to lock-on to the target and take the shot. If you can't then the the Javelin becomes an fifty-pound paperweight. Sufficient BCUs were not provided to Ukraine early on, I don't know if that has ever changed. Ukrainians had to improvise using drone batteries to replace the battery part of the BCU, I don't know what they did for cooling. quote:The direct attack mode can be selected only after seeker cooldown and before lock-on. The gunner pushes the attack select (ATTK SEL) switch on the right handgrip to change attack modes. In the direct attack mode, the missile flies on a more direct path to the target. The missile impacts and detonates on the side (front, rear, or flank) of the target. The minimum engagement distance is 65 meters. For God's sake, why do you have to wait for seeker cooldown to put it in direct attack mode? It's another thing you can gently caress up in the short time the BCU is running. I also found this graph. Posting it for the many graph perverts in this thread. 
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The Javelin’s CLU will typically give you a battery low indicator at the four hour mark, which does limit using the Javelin’s CLU as a nightvision or scout tool indefinitely without recharge or without using an adapter to plug it into a nonstop power source. But it probably shouldn’t take you four hours to lock a target.
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May 16, 2024 23:30
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mlmp08 posted:The Javelin’s CLU will typically give you a battery low indicator at the four hour mark, which does limit using the Javelin’s CLU as a nightvision or scout tool indefinitely without recharge or without using an adapter to plug it into a nonstop power source. quote:When a gunner comes across a target of opportunity, he may not be able to take advantage of it. The cool down time of the NVS is 2.5 to 3.5 minutes. Seeker cool down takes about 10 seconds. Once the BCU is activated, the gunner has a maximum of 4 minutes to engage the target before the BCU is spent. Vehicles crossing the street or moving between buildings (flank shot) are exposed for about 10 to 15 seconds, meaning the gunner may not have enough time to lock-on to the target and fire. hours != minutes
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May 16, 2024 23:32
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Nix Panicus posted:hours != minutes I’m talking about the CLU. The BCU is a different thing. You typically scout and choose targets with the CLU then only engage with the missile and BCU once you have a target in mind, which is why Javelins excel from hidden positions, defensive positions, etc, and aren’t great for trying to advance on armor (but don’t charge armor with light infantry over open ground) If you’re engaging targets at night, yeah, don’t pop that BCU until you have solid target(s) to shoot at. During the day, just ten seconds, but that still can be hard if the target is darting through cover, but that’s a challenge for most any ATGM rather than cannon or very short range unguided round.
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May 16, 2024 23:38
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mlmp08 posted:The Javelin’s CLU will typically give you a battery low indicator at the four hour mark, which does limit using the Javelin’s CLU as a nightvision or scout tool indefinitely without recharge or without using an adapter to plug it into a nonstop power source. You can only lock-on after the seeker is cooled down and you have less than four minutes to do so. You are correct that the that night vision is powered by a separate battery which can last up to four hours total (under ideal conditions). I'll correct that. You do have up to 3 minutes 50 seconds to lock on now and shoot under ideal circumstances. That battery is also non-rechargeable by the way. Only the training batteries for the Javelin CLU are rechargeable and I'm not sure that Ukraine got any of those in 2022. It was a big complaint early on in the war. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/06/14/ukraine-javelin-assistance/ BearsBearsBears has issued a correction as of 23:59 on May 16, 2024 |
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May 16, 2024 23:50
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bedpan posted:I'm a bit puzzled as to why Iraq would have thought buying something like this from the French would not have something like this built in. Its funny that its always been presented as the US crushing a Soviet AD system
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May 16, 2024 23:54
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BearsBearsBears posted:You can only lock-on after the seeker is cooled down and you have less than four minutes to do so. You are correct that the that night vision is powered by a separate battery which can last up to four hours total (under ideal conditions). I'll correct that. You do have up to 3 minutes 50 seconds to lock on now and shoot under ideal circumstances. Yeah, it's the standard for battery coolant units not to be rechargeable (or if they are it's a whole involved depot level "recharge" thing). If it takes you more than 3 minutes 50 seconds to lock a target, you have hosed up and don't know how to use it (I could def believe that some units fielded javelins did not know how to use it, but javs are used by 11 and 19 series, and those aren't like high test requirement soldier jobs). If the target simply got away, you could toss the battery and relocate instead. Here's a pamphlet of the ways people improvise batteries (often with worse results, and you still need to cool the seeker) for MANPADS. Also has a description of the Igla battery systems. https://www.ciedcoe.org/index.php/members-content/technical-reports/197-0011-20161222-report-improvised-batteries-for-manpads-v2/file It's often pretty typical to issue 3 batteries for every one MANPADS missile, as there's an understanding of both a need to cross-level batteries between shooters and the likelihood that you punch in a BCU and then the target gets away, soldier is suppressed and doesn't fire, etc.
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May 17, 2024 00:06
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https://twitter.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1790839686090379347
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May 17, 2024 00:14
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what's that skull picture to the left?
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May 17, 2024 00:33
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Oglethorpe posted:what's that skull picture to the left? you bitch
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May 17, 2024 00:37
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Jon Pod Van Damm posted:Wikipedia delivers. "Salome Zourabichvili was born into a family of Georgian emigrants that fled to France following the 1921 Red Army invasion of the Democratic Republic of Georgia.". lmfao
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May 17, 2024 00:55
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KomradeX posted:What? Is this a key peice of Desert Storm knowledge Ive never heard of? Desert Storm: Evaluation of the Air Campaign      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGMdZI2W9dg
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May 17, 2024 01:12
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Nix Panicus posted:During the planning for the Gulf War the CIA got the French firm that designed the Iraqi central air defense command and control system to just tell them how to quickly and easily backdoor the system and then exactly what to do to destroy it once disabled Wow lmao, I've never heard about this before That actually explains a poo poo ton about both the Gulf War and then the later invasion in 2003 DeimosRising posted:i remember when i first read about that, i'm not sure i've ever been more flabbergasted by a military anecdote I am glad I am not the only one who had this reaction to learning this information
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VoicesCanBe posted:Wow lmao, I've never heard about this before Even if you go with mlmp's explanation that the French didn't give the CIA an actual backdoor, the French still told them exactly how the system was designed, where it was deployed, and how to overwhelm and defeat it in the opening hours
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