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Chaebol slaves is about the best NK can hope for, which is depressing. The people working at the Kaesong factories apparently love it. They get paid a lot more than average and the SK bosses are nicer to them. Hyundai also loves it because the labor is super cheap relative to the south and it's a lot easier than outsourcing production to Vietnam or whatever.
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Apr 10, 2017 06:32
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Accretionist posted:The American south never even really recovered from the Civil War. I'm not expecting North Korea to look like South Korea. I am expecting they would run fine according to the same 'rule sets' and become receptive to participation in a globalized world. However, in my Arm Chair Strategist's view, I believe the North would be receptive as gently caress to dismantling everything the Kim family had in place, and would go apeshit at stuff like food, air conditioning, education, mobile phones, medicine, etc., and would gladly work for actual pay (even if that work was 14 hours a day in a factory). It would be a much better shift than trying to get the upper-crust to accept the people in the lowest positions were actually people. NK is a country full of slaves and, if we base it on how the freed slaves reacted in the US South, they were happy as hell to get freedom. They were excited as could be to learn about the world, get education, go about without papers, and find lost family members. NK would be a similar situation in many ways. Just the difference might be that a country full of freed slaves now has new ethnically-same slave masters immediately rushing in and giving them three square meals a day and TVs in return for backbreaking sweatshop work. Moonshine Rhyme posted:Electronic book reader? Haier fucked around with this message at 06:57 on Apr 10, 2017 |
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Apr 10, 2017 06:53
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I remember an armchair argument that if the North somehow managed to advance as Seoul, the army would break the gently caress down once they had all these consumer goods in their reach. I don't know why that stuck with me. Starved Grunt cancels war crimes: Interrupted by Loot.
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Apr 10, 2017 07:08
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WarpedNaba posted:I remember an armchair argument that if the North somehow managed to advance as Seoul, the army would break the gently caress down once they had all these consumer goods in their reach. I don't know why that stuck with me. The first time we went, even though I got the stuff that we were supposed to give the homeless, that one box that was mine turned into three, and I came out with like 7 boxes of cereal and expensive granola, a billion protein bars, every candy I saw, any packaged food that looked expensive or healthy, 3 gallons of ice cream that were left over from a local creamery (competing with Cold Stone, so it was quality), 4 liters of soda, and one pack of Band Aids.
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Apr 10, 2017 08:00
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As someone who also worked for a food shelter as a teen, what the gently caress it isn't normal to want to plunder it.
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Apr 10, 2017 08:34
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Apr 10, 2017 08:35
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I'unno, if Haier's adventures in China are any indicator, he's a born plun
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Apr 10, 2017 08:36
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Yorkshire Pudding posted:As someone who also worked for a food shelter as a teen, what the gently caress it isn't normal to want to plunder it. I would go once a month to get stuff, but stopped after a while when I found a lot of it was really old and tasted weird. Did you know expiration dates on packaged food are often suggestions, and you can still eat stuff 6-12 months after expiry? It doesn't taste that good though.
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Apr 10, 2017 08:39
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I kinda like my intestinal tract where it is, though.
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Apr 10, 2017 08:45
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Most dates stamped on food are not expiration dates, but sell-by dates. Nothing will happen to you if you eat "expired" food, and you shouldn't be trusting the stamp blindly in any case. If something looks, smells or tastes off, chances are it is. Somehow your brain is really good at picking up on that, it's almost as if you're descended from a long, uninterrupted line of people who were quite good at figuring out what's edible and what's not. Not saying that for Haier btw, we all know he's quite good at split second decisions about whether pussy is edible or not.
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Apr 10, 2017 08:59
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Blistex posted:We're all pretty familiar with the standard 5 piece suit, given all the photos of them that have been plastered in this thread. But not many people know about the 8 piece suit. Just lol if each sock and shoe doesn't form part of your suit ensemble
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Apr 10, 2017 09:59
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webmeister posted:Just lol if each sock and shoe doesn't form part of your suit ensemble there's also suspenders and sock garters
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Apr 10, 2017 10:15
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webmeister posted:Just lol if each sock and shoe doesn't form part of your suit ensemble Avatar post combo.
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Haier posted:However, in my Arm Chair Strategist's view, I believe the North would be receptive as gently caress to dismantling everything the Kim family had in place, and would go apeshit at stuff like food, air conditioning, education, mobile phones, medicine, etc., and would gladly work for actual pay (even if that work was 14 hours a day in a factory). It would be a much better shift than trying to get the upper-crust to accept the people in the lowest positions were actually people. NK is a country full of slaves and, if we base it on how the freed slaves reacted in the US South, they were happy as hell to get freedom. They were excited as could be to learn about the world, get education, go about without papers, and find lost family members. NK would be a similar situation in many ways. Yeah but China. I nearly wrote a big post about this but it's not worth the writing. The geopolitical situation hasn't changed since the DMZ was established. China does not want a unified, Westernized Korean peninsula. They would infinitely prefer a failed state. In any reconstruction scenario concerns about refugees fleeing from NK into China would be quickly overtaken by the flood of armed guerrillas pouring from China into NK. We'd have to fight the Korean war all over again and win or lose Korea would be hosed in the process.
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Apr 10, 2017 10:38
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suburban virgin posted:Yeah but China. Chinese guerrilla fighters? I wonder how competent they would be.
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I'm full looter-mode Haier at a friendly boss telling him to take something for himself
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I would like a unified korea because my grandfather owned several textile factories before the war. My uncle remembers having to bury a bunch of probably now worthless money among other stuff they couldnt carry before fleeing. The derelict husk of the factory complex is still there. It would be super cool to dig up some old jewelry and see if I have any more korean cousins During the war grandpa became a drug smuggler and then one day didnt come home. Im assuming he got caught and killed Fauxtool fucked around with this message at 12:57 on Apr 10, 2017 |
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Apr 10, 2017 12:52
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Fauxtool posted:I would like a unified korea because my grandfather owned several textile factories before the war. My uncle remembers having to bury a bunch of probably now worthless money among other stuff they couldnt carry before fleeing. The derelict husk of the factory complex is still there. It would be super cool to dig up some old jewelry and see if I have any more korean cousins This sounds really interesting. Feel free to elaborate if you wish.
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Apr 10, 2017 13:19
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WarpedNaba posted:I remember an armchair argument that if the North somehow managed to advance as Seoul, the army would break the gently caress down once they had all these consumer goods in their reach. I don't know why that stuck with me. It wouldn't be the first time something like this happened. In the last great offensive by the Germans in WW1 the offensive slowed to a crawl as they overran Allied supplies and kitchens. The Germans were that starved and these were the last of their best men. The North Koreans wouldn't stand a chance.
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Reminds me of a quote, which of course I can't source because I didn't keep the source, in which an east german enters into a new supermarket just after the wall fell. He tells the west german stocking the shelves: "We will empty this store, just like the state supermarkets and the rest of them". To which the west german went "lol good luck my dude we have so many consumer goods and poo poo knock yourself out".
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Boiled Water posted:Reminds me of a quote, which of course I can't source because I didn't keep the source, in which an east german enters into a new supermarket just after the wall fell. He tells the west german stocking the shelves: "We will empty this store, just like the state supermarkets and the rest of them". To which the west german went "lol good luck my dude we have so many consumer goods and poo poo knock yourself out". Was that meant to be a threat? I mean, it just means the supermarket will make a lot of money, so...
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Apr 10, 2017 13:58
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NPR was mentioning china implementing a bounty system for foreign spies. Poor haier, turned in for $5 by his most recent failed date.
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Apr 10, 2017 14:04
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nickmeister posted:Was that meant to be a threat? I mean, it just means the supermarket will make a lot of money, so... Eastern germans were used to empty store shelves, and bragged they'd empty this supermarket like the rest of them.
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Apr 10, 2017 14:33
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Haier watch out, they're coming for all International Men of Mystery and with your plunging score you probably qualify as a regular James BondThe Guardian posted:China offers rewards to root out foreign spies
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Apr 10, 2017 14:44
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*DOXXES ALL THE CHINA POSTERS* I'm a milllllllllllllllionaire!
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barbecue at the folks posted:Haier watch out, they're coming for all International Men of Mystery and with your plunging score you probably qualify as a regular James Bond
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Apr 10, 2017 15:15
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The MTR broke down and passengers had to walk through the tunnels to get out. https://twitter.com/krislc/status/851401877438820354 And about the spies, a foreign prof"totally coincidentally" got notified that the Party will be checking up on him https://twitter.com/BaldingsWorld/status/851343474943303680 And finally, nerds gonna nerd https://twitter.com/HighlandPaddyHK/status/851395878891823104
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Apr 10, 2017 15:38
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suburban virgin posted:Yeah but China. Not even just that though, but it would also mean the US has a free reign (presumably) right at China's border, and if there's one thing that China doesn't want, it's a lack of buffer zone between the US and PRC.
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Apr 10, 2017 15:46
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hell I dont want most of the us at my border and I live here
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FruitNYogurtParfait posted:hell I dont want most of the us at my border and I live here It's an unending nightmare for Canadians. 
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Apr 10, 2017 16:07
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Hypothetical: How does China respond if (somehow) the next North Korean to take the throne us a straight up Benevolent Dictator and starts trying to turn the country around into South Korea Mk 2?
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The Something Awful Forums > Main > General Bullshit > my little KMT pin on my lapel
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Outrail posted:Hypothetical: How does China respond if (somehow) the next North Korean to take the throne us a straight up Benevolent Dictator and starts trying to turn the country around into South Korea Mk 2? As long as hes aligned with China i dont think theyd give a poo poo.
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Barudak posted:As long as hes aligned with China i dont think theyd give a poo poo. This is correct frankly they'd be relieved EDIT: to expand a bit, China's been trying to subtly push them for years to modernize and get with the times, mostly by saying "hey look at all the cool poo poo we've done and we haven't really had to give up communism" but the DPRK is resisting this with all their might You can start to see some early China-style changes with the black markets and currency and whatnot, and the blind eye being turned to these (especially in Pyongyang), but it'll take decades before they're ever even up to past the Great Leap Forward Seth Pecksniff fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Apr 10, 2017 |
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Darkest Auer posted:The Something Awful Forums > Main > General Bullshit > my little KMT pin on my lapel 70 years of being in charge of 5000 years of Chinese culture.
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Another option is that north korea's ruling structure and internal court politics are so unstable and precariously balanced any large reforms risk shaking up the political landscape, which is seen obviously as a massive threat to the leadership. The status quo doesn't work and isn't sustainable but the alternative might be potentially worse for a few of those at the top. Dictators generally don't hold absolute power, they just like to project that image. In reality they rule entirely at the support of the people, just like in a democracy, except in a dictatorship the people that they need support from is a tiny number of internal power players rather than a much larger voting blocks of citizens or special interest groups. So imagine you're a dictator, you see the system isn't work for your country. I mean it's working for you, personally. You have a palace and every pleasure is met and you mostly just want to stay in power, that's your goal. To stay in power you need to keep key people happy, because at the slightest wrong move you may have a coup on your hands. You think about having some china style reforms and state-capitalism but 2 of your top military leaders are against it because they'd see a rising business oligarch class as a threat to the military being at the top of the social or political order. Or one of your key loyal supporters in incharge of many of your military factories and is constantly upset he doesn't get enough resources, and they hate a dangerous rival who is incharge of the country's few consumer goods factories. A shift in resources to build up goods for export could enrage a loyal supporter and enrich a potential enemy. You could always execute the leaders who would be most resistant to these changes, but that's dangerous too.
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Baronjutter posted:So imagine you're a dictator, you see the system isn't work for your country. I mean it's working for you, personally. You have a palace and every pleasure is met and you mostly just want to stay in power, that's your goal. To stay in power you need to keep key people happy, because at the slightest wrong move you may have a coup on your hands. You think about having some china style reforms and state-capitalism but 2 of your top military leaders are against it because they'd see a rising business oligarch class as a threat to the military being at the top of the social or political order. Or one of your key loyal supporters in incharge of many of your military factories and is constantly upset he doesn't get enough resources, and they hate a dangerous rival who is incharge of the country's few consumer goods factories. A shift in resources to build up goods for export could enrage a loyal supporter and enrich a potential enemy. You could always execute the leaders who would be most resistant to these changes, but that's dangerous too. Imprison all your rivals and give a courtier a good tumble.
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Jeoh posted:Imprison all your rivals and give a courtier a good tumble.
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Hey, the farm and summer camp I volunteer at is exploring the opportunity to bring over and host some Chinese exchange kids, 12-16. It's not set in stone, but it could be a cool opportunity. The schools sending them over swear they all speak English. So a) Is a suburban farm in Florida going to be able to entertain a pack of rich Chinese kids for 4 weeks (with field trips, mall visits, and a Disney trip) b) What steps should we take to make sure everyone's understanding one another with regards to safety (it's a farm, animals bite and bugs sting), rules (it's a farm, these animals are rescues, don't chase them), and just general manners. Mind, this is poo poo we have to go through with kids who grew up speaking English, so we just want to make sure everyone understands there's a reason you dont taunt Shaggy the old pissed off pony or Cheezy Poof the rooster.
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