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What is the most powerful flying bug?
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🦋 15 3.71%
🦇 115 28.47%
🪰 12 2.97%
🐦 67 16.58%
dragonfly 94 23.27%
🦟 14 3.47%
🐝 87 21.53%
Total: 404 votes
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mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Nix Panicus posted:

'Technocracy' just means putting the finance ghouls directly in charge with no oversight. In countries where finance doesn't yet own all relevant political parties its held up as rational experts making difficult choices (that always benefit finance) in contrast to the dread specter of populism where a politician might promise to actually do something to benefit the people. Its an open admission that liberal democracy is theater, only allowable in places where the outcome can be known ahead of time

I kinda get it, there were a couple times of turmoil in the 2010s when it seemed a color revolution type thing might happen that i thought, "eh, maybe it'll be better than this bullshit that's been going on for 10+ years." it's been 20+ years now. I'm glad it didn't happen and it would probably be pretty similar 99% of the time cause he likes to suck off the west under the covers instead of in the open.

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Organ Fiend
May 21, 2007

custom title

VoicesCanBe posted:

https://x.com/TheNewsAgents/status/1791500008253981078

1. Civilizational war... interesting way to frame that. Sounds pretty fashy!

2. What exactly is the "job" that she is calling on the West to do?

Ok zoomer

CN CREW-VESSEL
Feb 1, 2024

敌人磨刀我们也磨刀

i say swears online posted:

re: new caledonia

not sure if anyone mentioned it but the island produces a gigantic proportion of the world's nickel, integral for batteries. france will do another vietnam to keep it, no exaggeration

Well, they had their chance







e: Not sure if this is too deep a cut for people who aren't Canada heads.

ee: Anyway, I can link the book again, but the reason they need Nazis to backstop colour revolutions now is that these feckless technocrats immediately crank up the austerity and privatization causing people to despise them and throw them out in the next election. Like Ukraine, Georgia already had a colour revolution, which according to plan, sent troops to Iraq, pledged to join NATO, privatized everything that wasn't nailed down and started a war with Russia. For it to really stick, they need some sort of Nazi contingent, so I suppose keep an eye out for them to appear.

CN CREW-VESSEL has issued a correction as of 16:41 on May 19, 2024

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

he served as US Special Representative for Ukraine Negotiations from 2017-2019, and as US Ambassador to NATO from 2008-2009.

hahahah incredible

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
people finding out about Natalie Jaresko, even just from the wikipedia page, is always a special moment

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Yadoppsi posted:

When did the liberal fetish for having governments of unelected, "non-ideological" technocrats come in to solve the various crisis' in their own country get so widespread? I feel like it started with the Eurozone crisis after the Great Recession, but also that it lately it's way more widespread.

1700

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

Yadoppsi posted:

When did the liberal fetish for having governments of unelected, "non-ideological" technocrats come in to solve the various crisis' in their own country get so widespread? I feel like it started with the Eurozone crisis after the Great Recession, but also that it lately it's way more widespread.

1991

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Yadoppsi posted:

When did the liberal fetish for having governments of unelected, "non-ideological" technocrats come in to solve the various crisis' in their own country get so widespread? I feel like it started with the Eurozone crisis after the Great Recession, but also that it lately it's way more widespread.

liberalism was always like this, but it's taken off in recent years because liberals keep losing, i.e. when faced with the notion that "voters are too stupid to vote correctly", they'd much rather people just not get a choice in the matter anymore

CN CREW-VESSEL
Feb 1, 2024

敌人磨刀我们也磨刀

gradenko_2000 posted:

liberalism was always like this, but it's taken off in recent years because liberals keep losing, i.e. when faced with the notion that "voters are too stupid to vote correctly", they'd much rather people just not get a choice in the matter anymore

There was that book on saving liberal capitalist democracy that said that straight up.

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

gradenko_2000 posted:

liberalism was always like this, but it's taken off in recent years because liberals keep losing, i.e. when faced with the notion that "voters are too stupid to vote correctly", they'd much rather people just not get a choice in the matter anymore

whenever the pro-western libs lose in Turkey, which is often, they invoke this interview a model gave on daytime TV years ago saying "why should my vote and the vote of a mountain shepherd be counted the same?" and start talking about exams to vote, making university grads votes count more etc.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

dangerous times for heads of state not aligned with Nato

lobster shirt
Jun 14, 2021

university graduate votes should be weighted but they should count for less

Freezer
Apr 20, 2001

The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.
Reports are coming out that Sevastopol was hit with 12 ATACMS + drones overnight. Apparently three of the twelve got through and hit a docked minesweeper ship.

Don’t see how this helps Ukraine win the war tough, seems like an poor use of resources.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

mawarannahr posted:

whenever the pro-western libs lose in Turkey, which is often, they invoke this interview a model gave on daytime TV years ago saying "why should my vote and the vote of a mountain shepherd be counted the same?" and start talking about exams to vote, making university grads votes count more etc.

Yeah the Filipino liberals do that too. Only [income] taxpayers should get to vote, there should be a civil exam before you can vote, etc.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

They're right. Maybe that would make it more obvious to most people that their votes don't matter.

CN CREW-VESSEL
Feb 1, 2024

敌人磨刀我们也磨刀
Liberals, are, to put it mildly, extremely stupid.


...



...

yellowcar
Feb 14, 2010

"they should make you pass an exam before allowing you to vote" seems like a universal refrain amongst liberals

especially true here in north america because this happens every time some lumpen hot tub dealer absolutely mops the floor with the soy rear end loser nerd centrist in local elections and libs start gnashing the teeth over "how could this happen"

yellowcar
Feb 14, 2010


lol what goes around comes around

CN CREW-VESSEL
Feb 1, 2024

敌人磨刀我们也磨刀

yellowcar posted:

"they should make you pass an exam before allowing you to vote" seems like a universal refrain amongst liberals

especially true here in north america because this happens every time some lumpen hot tub dealer absolutely mops the floor with the soy rear end loser nerd centrist in local elections and libs start gnashing the teeth over "how could this happen"

I'm trying to find this book from a Swede or Dane or whatever, about steps taken to save liberal capitalist democracy. One of the suggestions was citizenship exams for birthright citizens.

Liberals are eagerly considering things that will get them run out of town on a rail.

e: As in, you're a Dane, born in Denmark, to Danish parents (and grandparents etc.) and you still have to demonstrate true belief in "Danish values" (liberalism, capitalism) to get your rights of citizenship. These people are really losing it.

Bar Crow
Oct 10, 2012

Yadoppsi posted:

When did the liberal fetish for having governments of unelected, "non-ideological" technocrats come in to solve the various crisis' in their own country get so widespread? I feel like it started with the Eurozone crisis after the Great Recession, but also that it lately it's way more widespread.

The purpose of liberal democracy has always been to install middle managers working the merchant class. The system has just moved past having elections.

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

CN CREW-VESSEL posted:

I'm trying to find this book from a Swede or Dane or whatever, about steps taken to save liberal capitalist democracy. One of the suggestions was citizenship exams for birthright citizens.

Liberals are eagerly considering things that will get them run out of town on a rail.

e: As in, you're a Dane, born in Denmark, to Danish parents (and grandparents etc.) and you still have to demonstrate true belief in "Danish values" (liberalism, capitalism) to get your rights of citizenship. These people are really losing it.

this really has more to do with denmark being a nazi society than a liberal society. liberals demand degrees and income to vote; danes that you love stegt flæsk and oehlenschläger.

supersnowman
Oct 3, 2012

CN CREW-VESSEL posted:

Well, they had their chance





I wonder if the first nation back then knew what "Fort Chef Menteur" meant.

CN CREW-VESSEL
Feb 1, 2024

敌人磨刀我们也磨刀

supersnowman posted:

I wonder if the first nation back then knew what "Fort Chef Menteur" meant.

"Muskets, powder, iron tools and alcohol sold here"

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011


someone remind me when we were talking about prigozhins army of nazi convicts doing all putins dirty work how many people were in that army again

VoicesCanBe
Jul 1, 2023

"Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

Nix Panicus posted:

'Technocracy' just means putting the finance ghouls directly in charge with no oversight. In countries where finance doesn't yet own all relevant political parties its held up as rational experts making difficult choices (that always benefit finance) in contrast to the dread specter of populism where a politician might promise to actually do something to benefit the people. Its an open admission that liberal democracy is theater, only allowable in places where the outcome can be known ahead of time

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Some Guy TT posted:

someone remind me when we were talking about prigozhins army of nazi convicts doing all putins dirty work how many people were in that army again

It may have not been substantially more even less than that, it is why the hoards of dead conscript story never made any sense especially since it was organized by a Merc company not the central government itself.

They just ran with it for obvious reasons.

supersnowman
Oct 3, 2012

Ardennes posted:

It may have not been substantially more even less than that, it is why the hoards of dead conscript story never made any sense especially since it was organized by a Merc company not the central government itself.

They just ran with it for obvious reasons.

"Human waves" of like, 7 guys...

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

Я выдуман напрочь

mawarannahr posted:

whenever the pro-western libs lose in Turkey, which is often, they invoke this interview a model gave on daytime TV years ago saying "why should my vote and the vote of a mountain shepherd be counted the same?" and start talking about exams to vote, making university grads votes count more etc.

There should be no extra votes but anyone with more than an undergraduate degree should get half a vote

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

ContinuityNewTimes posted:

There should be no extra votes but anyone with more than an undergraduate degree should get half a vote

how about like 0.6

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

mawarannahr posted:

how about like 0.6

seems like a good compromise.

CN CREW-VESSEL
Feb 1, 2024

敌人磨刀我们也磨刀
Needs more means testing.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

gradenko_2000 posted:

liberalism was always like this, but it's taken off in recent years because liberals keep losing, i.e. when faced with the notion that "voters are too stupid to vote correctly", they'd much rather people just not get a choice in the matter anymore

Between 2015 and 2019, the Labour Party, one of the two big parties in the UK, was taken over by a democratic socialist, who made it clear, if elected, he'd do everything in his power to help ordinary people.

The entire UK establishment came together in an incredible shrieking fury to oppose this and didn't rest until he'd been thoroughly vanquished. The current Labour leadership has gone to enormous pains to reassure the powers that be that this will never, ever be allowed to happen again and are shortly due to be allowed to take up the reins of government as their reward.

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

Freezer posted:

Reports are coming out that Sevastopol was hit with 12 ATACMS + drones overnight. Apparently three of the twelve got through and hit a docked minesweeper ship.

Don’t see how this helps Ukraine win the war tough, seems like an poor use of resources.

Not according to the British Admiral that plans all these strikes.

AmyL
Aug 8, 2013


Black Thursday was a disaster, plain and simple.
We lost too many good people, too many planes.
We can't let that kind of tragedy happen again.

Yadoppsi posted:

When did the liberal fetish for having governments of unelected, "non-ideological" technocrats come in to solve the various crisis' in their own country get so widespread? I feel like it started with the Eurozone crisis after the Great Recession, but also that it lately it's way more widespread.

1648

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
It was genuinely unsettling to see all the familiar sensible centrist pundits abruptly go full mask-off and reveal the howling, blood dripping vampire faces that had always been there, just underneath the surface.

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

super-scientific, ultra-gay

Lipstick Apathy

Yadoppsi posted:

When did the liberal fetish for having governments of unelected, "non-ideological" technocrats come in to solve the various crisis' in their own country get so widespread? I feel like it started with the Eurozone crisis after the Great Recession, but also that it lately it's way more widespread.

democracy in the sense of the people having a say in their governance is anathema to liberalism

to the liberal enlightenment we're "the mob" if they're feeling classical or "machines of labor" if they're feeling modernist. in either case it would be the height of insanity to allow us any say in the government that makes the real humans wealthy from our unthinking, incapable of feeling any true emotion blood

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
The Ukrainians are really obsessed with the boats. They don't even hit the bridge anymore.

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

Я выдуман напрочь

Freezer posted:

Reports are coming out that Sevastopol was hit with 12 ATACMS + drones overnight. Apparently three of the twelve got through and hit a docked minesweeper ship.

Don’t see how this helps Ukraine win the war tough, seems like an poor use of resources.

It'll provide material for a lot of tweets and that's what matters

VoicesCanBe
Jul 1, 2023

"Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

stephenthinkpad posted:

The Ukrainians are really obsessed with the boats. They don't even hit the bridge anymore.

Degrading the Black Sea fleet is their way of showing NATO that it's still worth sending them money.

No one in Ukraine or NATO's governments have any real illusions of Ukraine actually winning anymore, I think the 2023 offensive's failure disabused them of that. They just have to keep up a charade for the masses.

It's only NAFO that really buys into the idea that Ukraine is about to win imminently.

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euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

this is Big Z’s last day in office. I am going to miss him. he did a lot for sure

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