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It's a summer event by Bendis, yeah judging by previous horrible track records this will be a wonderful clusterfuck. Considering how fluid time travel and future predicting has been in the 616 Nu and old it seems kinda super pointless. And Steve being on a side that even hints at being some kind of thought police restricting freedom seems WAY out of character. But again, Bendis.
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There's no way Marvel is going to put who their hope will be their star woman hero on a side that has anything but a questionable moral stance. Plus her side is full of people that are solidly people who do the right thing. Though Bucky is there. Iron Man does have both Falcon Cap and Thor, so i doubt either side is going to be just straight up wrong in any way. Though is that the Punisher on Carol's side?
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Mar 19, 2016 06:44
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"Nooo Frank stop agreeing with me you're making me look crazy!"
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Mar 19, 2016 06:58
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twistedmentat posted:There's no way Marvel is going to put who their hope will be their star woman hero on a side that has anything but a questionable moral stance. Plus her side is full of people that are solidly people who do the right thing. Though Bucky is there. Iron Man does have both Falcon Cap and Thor, so i doubt either side is going to be just straight up wrong in any way. I just don't trust a big crossover event to have the nuance to tackle this kinda topic. And precog stories in pop fiction never paint the ones using it as being the good guys.
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Mar 19, 2016 07:05
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twistedmentat posted:so i doubt either side is going to be just straight up wrong in any way. The original Civil War was supposed to be an interesting thought experiment where neither side was really wrong ("Superheroes need to be held accountable for their actions" vs. "Forcing super-folks to reveal their identities is hosed up" is an interesting debate on a very basic level) but we all know how that turned out. Somebody, either Bendis or some other writer on a tie-in, is gonna eventually, maybe even by accident, write one side as awful and wrong and the other as good. Or maybe halfway through the event everything's gonna go crazy like Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2 and both sides will have to set aside their differences and fight Cyborg Nick Fury to save the planet. TwoPair fucked around with this message at 07:15 on Mar 19, 2016 |
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Mar 19, 2016 07:12
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TwoPair posted:The original Civil War was supposed to be an interesting thought experiment where neither side was really wrong ("Superheroes need to be held accountable for their actions" vs. "Forcing super-folks to reveal their identities is hosed up" is an interesting debate on a very basic level) but we all know how that turned out. Somebody, either Bendis or some other writer on a tie-in, is gonna eventually, maybe even by accident, write one side as awful and wrong and the other as good. Putting pocket change on the third party hail mary being the precognative person foreseeing the whole debacle and is using heroes fighting heroes to take over the world/pull the heist/*badguy action here*
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Mar 19, 2016 07:19
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Marvel doesn't have a bad book (there's a few that aren't great) to their name right now, so I'm going to have faith that they'll do something good with Civil War 2.
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Mar 19, 2016 07:27
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What are the great Marvel books right now? I'm out of the loop and instead I'm reading terrible X-Books.
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Mar 19, 2016 07:30
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Die Laughing posted:Marvel doesn't have a bad book (there's a few that aren't great) to their name right now, so I'm going to have faith that they'll do something good with Civil War 2. They have all of the X-Men.
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Mar 19, 2016 07:39
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LordPants posted:What are the great Marvel books right now? I'm out of the loop and instead I'm reading terrible X-Books. Vision. Read Vision.
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Mar 19, 2016 07:41
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Civil War II will be better then Civil War but that is a bar so low it sits within the molten core of the earth.
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Mar 19, 2016 07:46
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Read Inhumans instead of X-Men.
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Mar 19, 2016 07:46
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Goddamn movie synergy.
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Mar 19, 2016 07:48
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Last time Bendis did anything with time travel we were given Age of Ultron, AND the X-Men exclusive event Battle for the Atom. Both were abysmal.
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Aphrodite posted:They have all of the X-Men. Uncanny X-Men and Extraordinary X-Men are the only Marvel books I've heard complaints about.
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TwoPair posted:No the real question is which side is the first one to be written as a bunch of awful out-of-character dicks whose entire argument is invalidated by their horrible actions during the event, since it's gonna loving happen and it'll be awful and goddammit why are we doing this again WHEW sorry I kinda went off on a tear there. I'm gonna guess... Captain Marvel's side, since thoughtcrime is hard to rationalize, and everybody's expecting Tony to come out as a cackling villain, so why do it twice. Because Bendis is a hack who should have moved on from Marvel after Civil War rather than making GBS threads out scripts that pad what any competent writer could do in four pages into a full issue, ignore continuity and characterisation done by anyone else, and wouldn't know 'nuance' or 'subtlety' if they bit his dick off? Mr. Maltose posted:Putting pocket change on the third party hail mary being the precognative person foreseeing the whole debacle and is using heroes fighting heroes to take over the world/pull the heist/*badguy action here* Bendis ripping off the Judge Child (a 36-year-old classic Judge Dredd story) would at least be different...
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Mar 19, 2016 11:16
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I'm not really a Bendis hater, I think most of his series have been fine, if largely very, very average, but all his events have been loving dire.
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Mar 19, 2016 12:21
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LordPants posted:What are the great Marvel books right now? I'm out of the loop and instead I'm reading terrible X-Books. Get Marvel Unlimited and you can read all the books at a 3 to 6 month delay. Hakkesshu posted:I'm not really a Bendis hater, I think most of his series have been fine, if largely very, very average, but all his events have been loving dire. Yeah they are. I thought Secret Invasion was so bad that only Marvel books I read afterward were Punisher: War Journal, Guardians of the Galaxy, and Thunderbolts. Siege was bad enough that I dropped all Marvel until I found out about Unlimited. To be fair, I have never real cared for BMB. His events are real bad though.
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Superstring posted:Yeah I don't have a good feeling about this. Carol's getting some good momentum and a movie is, in theory, coming. Don't really need for her to take the fall as a war criminal. Least we forget Tony was the front man for the First Civil War. Came out of it (arguably ) looking like the bad guy back in 2005/2006. Then two years later he gets his movie where Robert Downey Jr. Turns him into a worldwide icon, and Civil War is used to show that Ironman is a nuanced character with different stories. I guess they are doing the same thing for Carol.
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Mar 19, 2016 14:49
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LordPants posted:What are the great Marvel books right now? I'm out of the loop and instead I'm reading terrible X-Books. My favorites: Thor, The Ultimates, Vision, Doctor Strange, Iron Man
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The Ultimates split is the most interesting takeaway to me, and could move their story forward. Makes sense that Blue Marvel and Monica would go with Carol, but it looks like this is where Miss America puts her foot down against them, and Black Panther takes her side.
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DigitalRaven posted:Because Bendis is a hack who should have moved on from Marvel after Civil War rather than making GBS threads out scripts that pad what any competent writer could do in four pages into a full issue, ignore continuity and characterisation done by anyone else, and wouldn't know 'nuance' or 'subtlety' if they bit his dick off? Bendis did not write civil war
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DigitalRaven posted:Because Bendis is a hack who should have moved on from Marvel after Civil War rather than making GBS threads out scripts that pad what any competent writer could do in four pages into a full issue, ignore continuity and characterisation done by anyone else, and wouldn't know 'nuance' or 'subtlety' if they bit his dick off? I usually don't say "quit gettin' mad about comic books" but jeez dude also, what bobkatt said
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Mar 19, 2016 19:43
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Secret Invasion makes me sad. It was the thing all of Bendis' New Avengers was building up to, and in the end it was just stupid and ended with a giant fist fight.
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Mar 19, 2016 20:37
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bobkatt013 posted:Bendis did not write civil war Every time. It's like clockwork. People will always blame Bendis for things they didn't like he didn't work on.
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Mar 19, 2016 21:52
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Bendis writes really fuckin' bad events, though. He even writes really bad events that are contained to his own books. He is a consistently disappointing writer. No one should feel anything but dread at the prospect of him writing Civil War II.
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Mar 19, 2016 22:01
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Invincible Iron Man has been pretty good, but ehhh...other than that...
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WickedHate posted:Invincible Iron Man has been pretty good, but ehhh...other than that... Ultimate spider-man, daredevil, new avengers, powers, old man Logan, alias 99.9% of big events sucks. You even have Fraction writing one that was so bad that Bendis's look amazing in comparasion bobkatt013 fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Mar 19, 2016 |
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Mar 19, 2016 22:09
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You definitely have a point in that events by their nature tend to be bad because of editorial bullshit and writer miscommunication, but Fraction is pretty terrible too, so that doesn't say much.
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WickedHate posted:Invincible Iron Man has been pretty good, but ehhh...other than that... I like him on single characters a lot. His team stuff falls apart. I feel like he has problems writing in diffrent voices when his rosters get large.
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Mar 19, 2016 22:15
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aka the Whedon Effect.
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Mar 19, 2016 22:16
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Except for how it's 40 years older than he is, I guess.
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Mar 19, 2016 22:23
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Hey. Geoff Jones is inexplicably writing a really entertaining DC event right now. Same could just happen to happen here!
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Mar 19, 2016 22:28
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Teenage Fansub posted:Hey. Geoff Jones is inexplicably writing a really entertaining DC event right now. Same could just happen to happen here! I will accept this event if Tony or Carol float around in a magic chair throughout the whole thing like Batman has been.
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Aphrodite posted:Except for how it's 40 years older than he is, I guess. I don't really think that was something you needed to go out of your way to cut me up on, but okay, man.
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Mar 19, 2016 22:37
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It's key ingredient is that everything is ignoring the JLA Gods, this will be the biyearly status shake up that discourages the budding fans with plot line interruptions and pointless tie-ins. How the hell is anyone new supposed to stay in comics when every loving six months "EVERYTHING CHANGES FOREVER! ™®©"
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Mar 19, 2016 22:46
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I'll say it until the heat death of the universe: Every single comic needs to be published with each storyline as a mini series, 90s Venom style.
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Mar 19, 2016 22:48
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I think Bendis writes good events, he just can't ever land the finish because he always has to lead into the next event. Sometimes that's a good thing like Dark Reign but even when the new status quo is good, he just glosses over the wrap up of the old event. It's been a problem in comics for a while, maybe post event issues do poor sales or something unless they are part of a big new story, but I like wrapups and wish there were more of them. Like back in the 90s post X-Cuitioner's Song the crossovers all had a post event issue where everyone was managing the fallout. Made the event feel much bigger when it's effects are felt for at least an issue afterwards and not casually brought up 10 issues later as a precursor to the next big event. I'm pretty sure reading this forum everyone was mostly into Secret Invasion until the final issue. People still talk about how cool the first couple issues of Siege were. Even back before I started reading this forum and he did Disassembled, the guys at my comic store were really into it until it turned out to be Wanda going crazy. House of M I guess people there weren't really into because nobody bought it as anything that mattered beyond.
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I remember Siege as being pretty good. People were mainly just mad at how the Sentry went down. Secret Invasion just had pacing issues, but wasn't too bad. Same with House of M. Age of Ultron was bad though. So I think Bendis has hit more than he's missed on event comics.
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