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slowbeef posted:No, honestly, those people need to talk a lot louder. This whole thing is ridiculous. that is exactly the opposite of what everyone needs to do :page 367 snypa:
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Radical posted:i read a Japanese article about this today that referred to depression quest as a book and i got a good laugh out of that. otherwise it was just a translation of an article from the English press translated. none of the big Japanese news sites seem to give a poo poo tho which is real disappointing, wanted to read those comments. Why would people outside Anglosphere care? What crazy Japanese westboo would read Kotaku only to be bombarded with Japanese clickbait?
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horriblePencilist posted:For fucks sake, people need to shut up with their "Jeez guys, why is everyone fighting? I'm just gonna play some videogames, you know, that thing you're screaming about People need to stop playing video games.
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Arian_Samurai posted:Someday this war's gonna end... *lights up cigarette, stares into distance* This war will never end, son...it'll just be fought again and again...
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horriblePencilist posted:For fucks sake, people need to shut up with their "Jeez guys, why is everyone fighting? I'm just gonna play some videogames, you know, that thing you're screaming about everyone needs to shut up, everyone both diametrically opposed sides, the people not taking a side, the people saying the answer is in the middle, the people condemning all sides just shush, even the meta commentaries and self-meta commentaries should shush, im shushing myself
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Gaming wars were only fun when it was Nintendo vs. Sega.
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Sephiroth_IRA posted:They fight for your freedom. Instead of fighting they should go to the mat. And gently caress like gay wrestlers. Or just wrestlers because all wrestlers are gay.
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Sep 4, 2014 18:00
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e: oh who cares, ban games
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slowbeef posted:e: oh who cares, ban games drat it, beat to the punch by your edit, but you are right. SJ needed a backlash, but this has clearly demonstrated that the crazy is running too deep. We need a voice of reason. Slowbeef. You need to Retsuprae #Gamergate.
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slowbeef posted:No, honestly, those people need to talk a lot louder. This whole thing is ridiculous. I disagree. There's a serious problem when game journos are able to threaten game developers with media blackouts over something as loving inconsequential as skimpy armor. It's especially serious when it's a credible threat and not just a sole journo threatening to not write about the game. On top of that, add the fact that Quinn was able to trash the original TFYC effort and game journos didn't care because her word was worth more than theirs, and it's clear that things in gaming media shouldn't revert to the status quo, which is what people shutting up would accomplish. Falsum fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Sep 4, 2014 |
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You know, it's kinda funny, but I had to lookup the dictionary definition of conspiracy because the word has been so tainted by people who make up all these crazy accusations (i.e. 9/11 trutherism/birthirism/various kennedy assassination theories, etc.) that anytime you even use the word conspiracy, people automatically roll their eyes at you because of the tinfoil hat connotations that the word is associated with. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conspiracy quote:an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.  There's no loving way that so many journalists wrote articles with the exact same theme of the'death of gamers' idea on the exact same date all on their own. Zoe's ex mentioned that they have their own secret forum in to communicate in private. I guess i'm a  crazy person now.
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Remember people itt are so stupid that if you use paint to highlight inconsistencies you are basically a flat-earth truther, so don't beat yourself up too much.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Have you ever heard of the concept of criticism and critical analysis? Your post contains such tropes as being a lovely post trope. That was my critical analysis, here is a link to my Patreon.
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Mister Fister posted:There's no loving way that so many journalists wrote articles with the exact same theme of the'death of gamers' idea on the exact same date all on their own. Zoe's ex mentioned that they have their own secret forum in to communicate in private. I guess i'm a I know someone who used to work in games journalism. It's not exactly a huge field so yes they have things like Facebook groups and stuff they talk to each other on. They usually comment on each other's work, vent about problems, you know, what peers in a field typically do. It's about as much a conspiracy as a group of friends getting together at a bar.
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Mister Fister posted:You know, it's kinda funny, but I had to lookup the dictionary definition of conspiracy because the word has been so tainted by people who make up all these crazy accusations (i.e. 9/11 trutherism/birthirism/various kennedy assassination theories, etc.) that anytime you even use the word conspiracy, people automatically roll their eyes at you because of the tinfoil hat connotations that the word is associated with. "Journalists" lets list the outlets that aren't garbage internet tabloids:
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macnbc posted:It's about as much a conspiracy as a group of friends getting together at a bar. and then drafting a declaration of how they're going to overthrow the companies the work at and support each other. so not a conspiracy.
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Mister Fister posted:You know, it's kinda funny, but I had to lookup the dictionary definition of conspiracy because the word has been so tainted by people who make up all these crazy accusations (i.e. 9/11 trutherism/birthirism/various kennedy assassination theories, etc.) that anytime you even use the word conspiracy, people automatically roll their eyes at you because of the tinfoil hat connotations that the word is associated with. uhh actually it's pretty easy. Leigh Alexander wrote something and a bunch of other people wrote one pagers later that day which linked back to her article.
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Spiky Ooze posted:butt games Butt games are pretty fun. Just use plenty of lube. Also be honest with the ER staff when you get the x-ray of the foreign object that got stuck in you.
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Slanderer posted:uhh actually it's pretty easy. Leigh Alexander wrote something and a bunch of other people wrote one pagers later that day which linked back to her article. it's ok anita you fell for fake poo poo yourself no need to get so bitter against everyone
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poptart_fairy posted:it's ok anita you fell for fake poo poo yourself no need to get so bitter against everyone you shouldnt get so worked up about video games
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Slanderer posted:you shouldnt get so worked up about video games lol remember when you thought bayonetta was a single mother
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Mister Fister posted:There's no loving way that so many journalists wrote articles with the exact same theme of the'death of gamers' idea on the exact same date all on their own. Zoe's ex mentioned that they have their own secret forum in to communicate in private. I guess i'm a Yeah see, poo poo like this clouds actual points you want to make. Hell even that Zoe's ex aside thing is totally wrong. (The rumor was that it's a secret forum for game devs that Quinn was mad she didn't get invited to) Nobody can keep a story straight because the minute you have something reasonable like "Wow, that was really hosed up with Quinn and the TFYC thing" you have 12 other assholes jump in with "I can add a conspiracy to the dogpile! Sarkeesian's threat was fake because her search bar was empty!" and then 12 other assholes just lie and say 'A freelance writer I never heard of before today quit her job, uh, I mean was fired! WE'RE WINNING!' It's really not possible to tell who's trolling and who's seriously devoted to the cause.
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Slanderer posted:you shouldnt get so worked up about video games i know thats why im asking you to chill
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Slanderer posted:#gamergate Really glad Elisha Cuthbert is taking time out of her busy schedule to bust people using profile pics of other people. http://www.superbwallpapers.com/celebrities/elisha-cuthbert-4248/
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FAROOQ posted:If you say so miss alexander. remember how you registered this account just to post in this thread. that is really sad i think.
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Lumpy the Cook posted:I still don't get how all these people who openly describe themselves as feminists, socialists, or left leaning in general, are gleefully rushing to the defense of corporate interests and attacking consumers. Of all the strands of geek culture, gamers have always seemed to be the group most likely to explode in anger at challenges to their subculture. Like all geek culture, that culture is little more than the consumption of media as a means of identity formation. Gaming media, of course, can be particularly noxious, flirting with overt misogyny and largely created by a corporate culture resistant to any change that could jeopardize profit. The gamer kettle has finally boiled over. Over the past two weeks, the immediacy and tangibility of the danger of geek culture’s toxic identity politics have crossed from potential to real, with threats of violence toward women and elaborate conspiracy theories being concocted to explain the small shifts toward inclusiveness in the gamer clubhouse. ... The backlash in the wake of this has been swift and loud, with some very good writing declaring the death of gamers as an identity. The idea is that gamers, as a slice of geek culture, are reacting so harshly because they think they’re dying. This, in turn, allows for a new definition of gamer to emerge, one that is more inclusive and shorn of it odious elements. There are a few small issues with this analysis. One is the notion that the slights imagined by gamers are just that: imaginary. But they aren’t, and gamers must be taken at face value when they claim to feel threatened. Gamer culture is under threat, though the notion that it’s dead or dying is both overstated and premature. When your identity has been manufactured by corporations urging you to consume certain things in prescribed ways, then any change, no matter how small, is an existential threat. When women challenge decades of almost exclusively male fantasies of sex and power, this alters the content the gamer consumes. And when that content is altered, gamer identity itself under threat. The vitriol isn’t contrived or artificially manufactured. It has a source. Which brings me to the second problem. There are cries from some quarters that this is not representative of gamer culture, that the word “gamer” should be reclaimed as something good. But it was never good. It was never worth saving. Gamer identity is tainted, root and branch, by its embrace of consumption as a way of life. If gamers suddenly became completely inclusive, if all of the threats and stamping of feet went away and the doors were flung open, conspicuous consumption would still be the essential core of their identity. The mythical gamer who does not exist to consume is not a gamer. A raisin is not a grape, and no amount of rehydration will turn it into one. One of the tells is the aforementioned silence in the face of decades of questionable coziness between games journalism and corporations. Up until recently, there was no independent games press. The entire apparatus was quite openly an arm of the industry’s PR machine, focused exclusively on reviews. Until the past few years, there was no labor reporting of note. Industry conventions, with their unveiling of new products, are meant to impress and dazzle more than inform, and most of the press is still only too happy to regurgitate press releases. With games journalism of the recent past displaying the crassest corporate obeisance imaginable, it’s no accident that the present controversy was kicked off by a small press developer and foreshadowed by a woman deigning to give the most recent Grand Theft Auto a positive review, while also questioning its treatment of women. It’s not just the challenge to rote misogyny that has gamers up in arms, but even the smallest challenges to the assembly line spoon-feeding of retrograde culture to the consumer. The corporations who make games are quite willing to make their content more inclusive (indeed, that they’ve begun to do so is the impetus for the current fury) without altering the basic DNA of a gamer. The obvious reason is sales. Games make enormous amounts of money through their primary consumers, who each buy dozens of games a year. The gamer and his mass purchases are necessary to keep games with obscenely bloated budgets profitable. But the industry also has a deeply exploitative relationship with labor. Gaming companies are a place where the constant, deafening appeals to love and passion are predicated on its consumers being its employees. Fans make good workers because they’re living the dream. The abuses in the industry rely on this blurring between dedicated consumer and overworked employee. In fact, it’s the only way for the industry to survive in its current form. Gamers will never truly die; the industry will have no workers willing to put up with the deplorable conditions if they do. As traditional industries begin to run out of stuff to sell, you can watch them try to tap into this deep vein of manufactured identity in real time. It’s present in snacks marketed as “Gamer Grub” and in car ads featuring the two actors who have portrayed Star Trek’s Mr. Spock. These are crude and hamfisted, but make no mistake: the depth of misplaced passion on display in these two recent, awful examples of geek culture at its worst is something that every corporation wants in on. It may be ugly, but it also makes big money. All of this comes with the usual caveats. It’s all right to enjoy video games. I love a lot of video games. I suspect that I’ll love new ones in the years to come. But to define oneself by media consumption is not just unhealthy, it’s vacuous. To do so is to go beyond the necessary distractions from the real world’s tedium and travails. It’s a demand for a Huxley-esque perpetual childhood. Gamers won’t die because there will always be, in capitalism, people who define themselves by what they buy. When their imaginary identity politics are challenged, they’ll lash out, angrily, with as much vitriol as they can muster. Their opprobrium points to the silver lining in all of this, small as it is. The open savagery of the gamers’ revolt, coupled with their manifest hypocrisy — embodied by their collective ease with the web of games press, advertising, and corporate access — has laid bare the inherent problems with this mode of identification. The ties between consumption and identity are being examined in more and more mainstream outlets. Questioning leads to answers, answers can lead to rejection of a rotten status quo. With any hope, the burgeoning business of corporate identity creation, in the gaming industry and elsewhere, can be replaced by real bonds of solidarity and empowerment.
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macnbc posted:I know someone who used to work in games journalism. It's not exactly a huge field so yes they have things like Facebook groups and stuff they talk to each other on. But that's just what he wants you to believe! 
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Anal Papist posted:Really glad Elisha Cuthbert is taking time out of her busy schedule to bust people using profile pics of other people. ive been hoodwinked 
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Let the SJW ban video games because it will make everyone realize how crazy they are. It will be compared to the time women got the right to vote and used it to ban alcohol. Also the ban would be nearly impossible to enforce. Any attempt would end up worse than the war on drugs. I guess what I am trying to say is ban all video games.
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slowbeef posted:It's really not possible to tell who's trolling and who's seriously devoted to the cause. I doubt we've even reached peak Poe's Law yet so its bound to get even crazier.
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Ladies and gentlemen, we all fell victims of one vast conspiracy orchestrated by OP of this thread in cahoots with local moderators. Without knowing it, we all have become gamers. What is the game, you might ask. The thread itself is the game. To be more precise, it's a cross-platform text-based adventure with RPG elements. If you need proof, you can even check your current level by clicking '?' under your username. If you don't want to be associated with a toxic community based on harassment, I suggest you stop posting in this thread and ask data base admins to delete your posts from here in case gamer terrorists use it to blackmail you later on. Remember, playing games makes you a gamer! Don't play games!
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