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Rodiel posted:This is just unabashed racism, I'm shocked its tolerated here. I'm not saying I believe that dumbass, I'm telling you that among Russians the fear of losing Siberia to the Chinese is more prominent due to the belief that lots of people need lots of empty hard to defend land and its natural resources
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Somaen posted:Selling the Siberian forests and gas for several times below the world market rate to China isn't paying off politically. First grandpa was forced to watch the olympics alone, recognized Taiwan as a part of China and China wouldn't recognize Crimea, now this. Is this like the statement much earlier in the thread suggesting that there couldn't actually be a conflict between Russia and Ukraine because Ukraine's president said there was nothing to worry about?
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Rodiel posted:No one in the west had to set anything into motion, never let a good crisis go to waste as they say. I guess I now see that you were talking about the West being reactive, but that was basically my point. There would be cause for alarm if the US was completely silent because non-Americans could see Russian military concentration as well as anyone else.
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Rodiel posted:May I see the declassified intelligence? Energy prices in the EU have been skyrocketing for weeks, well before the Ukraine tensions ratcheted up. Late October: https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/amp/2021/10/28/why-europe-s-energy-prices-are-soaring-and-could-get-much-worse Early Jan: https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/01/05/european-energy-prices-are-surging-creating-frightening-uncertainty.html I don’t know LNG prices but like regular car gasoline has gone up by like 60% at the pumps where I am within the last 12 months. I don’t think it has anything to do with Russia, or not more than a tiny fraction. Electricity prices have also gone way up, also since way before this issue. If there IS a conflict then prices will go up certainly, but tbh I’d rather pay more for heating (and use less) than contribute to the Kremlin war machine on a nearby country that will likely lead to other direct impacts on my life (albeit far far less than it would affect Ukrainians). For Americans I imagine the consequences of a Ukrainian invasion and sanctions would have about as much impact as if India invaded Myanmar or whatever (that is, very marginal). E: you also have an impressively low post count for someone with an account for 15 years.
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Rodiel posted:So then what was Russias end game here? I am not a Kremlinologist or a taro reader (so won't make big buxx on substack or American legacy media) so I cant tell what the hell is their plan until the smoke clears and my opinion is as useless as most of predictive analytics seen ITT and elsewhere last few weeks but I would guess its either: a round of expensive sabre rattling to get noticed and be taken seriously by the west; or an actual invasion to secure LDNR with permanent Russian presence in the open and to try out military in action (TBD if it happens still) Both sound like something that would make leadership feel very important. Neither look like plans with regard for any long-term consequences but we are in luck because most of actions that Putin done in his current two terms were actions of someone that cared more about loving around than finding out. With these freaks most things are better explained through incompetence, not malice.
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Zelenskyi also commented on the Budapest Memorandum.quote:We gave up our world's third largest nuclear weapons arsenal and were offered security guarantees in return. We don't have the weapons, but we don't have the security either. Nor do we have parts of our territories under control, which, by the way, are larger than Switzerland, the Netherlands, or Belgium. He wants the signees to review the Memorandum together, and if someone disagrees, Ukraine would be free to consider it null and void. Paladinus fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Feb 19, 2022 |
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Rodiel posted:The capital flight is going to destroy Ukraine's economy for decades at least. Do you think that if the US had stayed silent the capital would of ignored the massive Russian troop movements and everything else they are doing?
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fatherboxx posted:I am not a Kremlinologist or a taro reader (so won't make big buxx on substack or American legacy media) so I cant tell what the hell is their plan until the smoke clears and my opinion is as useless as most of predictive analytics seen ITT and elsewhere last few weeks but Russians are humans to, they have the same wants and needs as you. Stop this racist poo poo for real, its making the situation worse.
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socialsecurity posted:Do you think that if the US had stayed silent the capital would of ignored the massive Russian troop movements and everything else they are doing? idk, but i think western capital has just as much to gain from a weakened Ukraine as Russia does.
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Rodiel posted:Russians are humans to, they have the same wants and needs as you. Stop this racist poo poo for real, its making the situation worse. I'm not inclined to be generous to that particular poster but literally nothing they said was racist. They're clearly referring to Putin and other Russian powers-that-be, not all Russians when they use the word "freaks."
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Rodiel posted:Russians are humans to, they have the same wants and needs as you. Stop this racist poo poo for real, its making the situation worse. With these freaks most things are better explained through incompetence, not malice.
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Rodiel posted:Russians are humans to, they have the same wants and needs as you. Stop this racist poo poo for real, its making the situation worse. I guessed having a Russian writer drinking vodka as avatar and writing in unnatural English would alert people of my nationality but oh well I meant Putin amd his buddies of course, we dont make any decisions lmao Yes we have needs and wants - mainly for our senile grandpa Vova to go install Hearts of Iron if he want to move tanks and stop screwing us and our friends in Ukraine up.
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socialsecurity posted:Do you think that if the US had stayed silent the capital would of ignored the massive Russian troop movements and everything else they are doing? Sorry for double posting again but I wanted to address this. Ukraine has been at war with Russia for 8 years, why did they chose to leave now if not for western saber rattling? Russia has had 100k troops on the border for almost a year.
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SA's own Brown Moses stepping in to confirm of course it's all faked: https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/1495069721070342148?s=20&t=uEccVLiilpfttwQaA6O7Aw
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fatherboxx posted:I guessed having a Russian writer drinking vodka as avatar and writing in unnatural English would alert people of my nationality but oh well I love and respect you friend. I don't want another cold war between our countries!
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Shes Not Impressed posted:SA's own Brown Moses stepping in to confirm of course it's all faked: This rear end in a top hat is part of the problem!
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Rodiel posted:Sorry for double posting again but I wanted to address this. the footprint of Russian armed forces has increased bigly in the last couple months, and whereas most of the year's buildup was materiel in storage without crews a lot of manned armour has appeared in the last two weeks https://mobile.twitter.com/MarQs__/status/1494295353897754625
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Rodiel posted:This rear end in a top hat is part of the problem! This is what you think about everyone who disagrees with your point of view.
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Murgos posted:If Russia withdraws then history books are going to talk about how the strong international condemnation of the invasion contributed to that outcome. Of which Bidens multiple statements will be seen as a large part of that. One hopefully can't coast on credulity into history books. In the end, if this fizzles out, it'll be decades before we know what was going on behind the scenes, but history books will not be giving all the credit to Western leaders for their tremendous leadership during this time. We'll hear that from a few liberal lackey media types and that's about it. No evidence has actually been presented beyond what the whole world can see, it's just been stated without proof that Russia is going to invade Kyiv. That takes a lot more trust than believing that Russia is going to send troops into Donbas (which I do think could happen). And if the administration can actually get credit for that from the slow brains of the world, it seems like they're making quite a PR mistake by not discovering a similar crisis in Taiwan or Korea.
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Shes Not Impressed posted:This is what you think about everyone who disagrees with your point of view. imagine fronting for brown moses lool
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socialsecurity posted:Do you think that if the US had stayed silent the capital would of ignored the massive Russian troop movements and everything else they are doing? It took 4 months for the situation to get where we're now, and throughout it the WH's messaging has been consistently "Ukraine is about to be completely destroyed" (paraphrasing), which is needless to say a panic-inducing drum to be banging on, especially when you're claiming to be looking to defuse the situation. This is from someone who believes Russia intended to launch an invasion from the beginning: there has been an escalatory ramp-up to this, and messaging could've communicated risk realistically and commensurately to it. Capital does react accordingly. Even now, as the situation heats up in Donbas most likely to provide a pretext for 'intervention', we have stuff like this https://twitter.com/haynesdeborah/status/1495056410270478346 which is de-escalatory messaging while simultaneously the Ukrainian government has been taking steps to manage the invasion risk, contrasted with the WH telling Ukrainians to be ready to have their cities annihilated by the baby-eating Russian vampires. But the WH has always been more interested in imposing maximum cost on Russia; how their tactics affect Ukraine is secondary.
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Rodiel posted:Sorry for double posting again but I wanted to address this. We’re looking at troop presence increase from ~40k to ~190k, and quite some changes in troop behaviour. Have you not noticed that Ukrainian ports have been blockaded for a week, for instance?
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Flavahbeast posted:the footprint of Russian armed forces has increased bigly in the last couple months, and whereas most of the year's buildup was materiel in storage without crews a lot of manned armour has appeared in the last two weeks Yeah thats bad. I'm not on the side of the Russians, but I cant countenance this western propaganda sorry.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:We’re looking at troop presence increase from ~40k to ~190k, and quite some changes in troop behaviour. Have you not noticed that Ukrainian ports have been blockaded for a week, for instance? I notice that. I try to understand why the other side does what they do. It seems like that's alien here sometimes, that's why I spoke up.
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Rodiel posted:I notice that. I try to understand why the other side does what they do. It seems like that's alien here sometimes, that's why I spoke up. What would us, stupid Eastern European savages, do without your piercing American insight. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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fatherboxx posted:Mesmerized by this DNR museum Pirates of the Zaporozhian
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cinci zoo sniper posted:What would us, stupid Eastern European savages, do without your piercing American insight. LMAO, if you don't care about what Americans think, why did you join NATO?
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cinci zoo sniper posted:What would us, stupid Eastern European savages, do without your piercing American insight. That's rather uncalled for.
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Rodiel posted:Yeah thats bad. I'm not on the side of the Russians, but I cant countenance this western propaganda sorry. Typical american, dismissing anything that doesn't align with your worldview as state propaganda smh
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:That's rather uncalled for. Racism is ok, as long as its against the right race.
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Rodiel posted:Biden is being pushed by a faction of the US elite that wants a new cold war. They don't care about Ukraine or even the US. They just want to keep the cash flowing. How exactly would this be profitable for anyone
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