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STAC Goat posted:Alexandra was a flop and Elektra took the main role too late in the season to really make it work. I like Elektra, I like the actress who plays her, but what was up with Elektra at the end there? Her whole thing in S2 of DD was that she realized she wanted to be a good person and she died trying. She's never going to be a good guy, but all of her motivations in The Defenders made no sense. So she wants the magical substance. What for? Because she was afraid of death like Alexandra? Matt mentions it like it's an afterthought. She wants Matt safe just so she can kill him or die with him? Why? For the last few episodes I really thought they were going to reveal that she was remembering things wrong and thought he genuinely let her die and that's why she was going scorched earth on everything, but nope. The Black Sky in DD was supposed to be The Hand's god, pretty much, but she ended up just being a prop. It's just sloppy writing from beginning to end. To think I was so excited when they cast Sigourney Weaver.
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The more people bring up the inconsistencies the more amazed I am at how much the scriptwriters didn't think this poo poo through. Like, no single season of television will be 100% consistent but jesus christ this is something else.
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Aug 26, 2017 22:20
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Nerd fandom spends a lot of time bitching about how planned out the new Star Wars universe is. The Defenders is what happens when no one coordinates with each other. As mentioned, the Hand is presented entirely different in each series. Its a shame too, because I thought the early entries did a good job building up this corner of Marvel's world.
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Aug 27, 2017 00:21
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Narcissus1916 posted:Nerd fandom spends a lot of time bitching about how planned out the new Star Wars universe is. Who in the world is botvhong about hoe planned star wars is like I've never heard a single complaint even close to that.
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Aug 27, 2017 00:42
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socialsecurity posted:Who in the world is botvhong about hoe planned star wars is like I've never heard a single complaint even close to that. No on is Botvhonging.
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Aug 27, 2017 02:08
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STAC Goat posted:So I think a lot of it is really that Sigourney Weaver just felt wasted and didn't work. Yeah, she's kind of an inexplicable choice for that character. She's a Jeri Hogarth type, if anything, I'd think. Like, if she played a sociopath business woman who ran IGH, not a part of this kung fu fantasy shadow cabal. Basically, I want to see how she'd play Carter Burke from Aliens. Not this. (I love Sigourney Weaver, if that's unclear. She's the best, merely wasted in this role as you said.)
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hey it's not a Netflix show, it's Amazon Prime, but if you like superhero TV you should check out The Tick it is very good and fun
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Aug 27, 2017 02:36
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The Netflix series needed a Kevin Feige producer figure to micromanage and unfortunately they have the guy behind literally the worst comic book series/event in that role.
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Xealot posted:Yeah, she's kind of an inexplicable choice for that character. She's a Jeri Hogarth type, if anything, I'd think. Like, if she played a sociopath business woman who ran IGH, not a part of this kung fu fantasy shadow cabal. Yeah, I'm a fan of hers and I was really hyped for her role. And I had kind of bought into the Mephisto idea I read somewhere, even if I knew that was pretty silly and she was going to be a more logical Hand leader. But the trailers sold all her ominous lines and stares and then it turns out that's like 5% of her character and the rest is a sick, petty power broker too weak to hold her position. That character might have worked somewhere like in Iron First but it just really didn't feel weighty enough for Defenders.
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Pellisworth posted:hey it's not a Netflix show, it's Amazon Prime, but if you like superhero TV you should check out The Tick Does it change much from the trailer? Apparently everyone in the whole world thought the trailer for the new tick was amazing but god drat did it rub me the wrong way.
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counterfeitsaint posted:Does it change much from the trailer? Apparently everyone in the whole world thought the trailer for the new tick was amazing but god drat did it rub me the wrong way. I didn't see the trailer, so I can't speak to that. It's not "wacky funny" like the Warburton series or the animated series. It's definitely got the feel and esthetic of the comic. Also, I'm getting a real Dark Dimension Version of Adam West vibe from Serafinowicz's portrayal. There's something almost menacing about his enthusiasm. I like it a lot.
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Aug 27, 2017 07:31
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I watched the Tick pilot, but I'm not sure if I can watch a Tick show without Batmanuel 
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achillesforever6 posted:The Netflix series needed a Kevin Feige producer figure to micromanage and unfortunately they have the guy behind literally the worst comic book series/event in that role.
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Aug 27, 2017 12:46
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Finally got around to JJ and a few episodes in am loving it.
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BiggerBoat posted:Finally got around to JJ and a few episodes in am loving it. It's really good, and I think part of the reason it was so successful is that it didn't feel like a normal superhero thing (unlike Daredevil S1 which was great but very traditional).
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Aug 27, 2017 15:48
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Doctor Spaceman posted:It's really good, and I think part of the reason it was so successful is that it didn't feel like a normal superhero thing (unlike Daredevil S1 which was great but very traditional). Also Killgrave was the best villain
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Aug 27, 2017 15:59
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Autism Sneaks posted:I watched the Tick pilot, but I'm not sure if I can watch a Tick show without Batmanuel I would like to see him also.
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Autism Sneaks posted:I watched the Tick pilot, but I'm not sure if I can watch a Tick show without Batmanuel
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Doctor Spaceman posted:It's really good, and I think part of the reason it was so successful is that it didn't feel like a normal superhero thing (unlike Daredevil S1 which was great but very traditional). This is a good way to put it, I wish I had been told that before I watched it. A lot of my complaints were about how Jessica really doesn't want to be a hero (now I understand why though). It really was a drat good show. My only complaint at this point is the episode count drags down the pacing, and some of the excuses to pad that time get progressively dumber.
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the biggest thing about JJ is that, despite Krysten Ritter's performance being often delightful, the show deals with themes and content that just aren't fun, and cant be fun. It's not happy, there aren't any easy answers in the end, the resolution is a bitter hollow one. The show is drat good, but it is an uncomfortable sort of good. Also some of the dialogue is just god damned bad.
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NecroMonster posted:the biggest thing about JJ is that, despite Krysten Ritter's performance being often delightful, the show deals with themes and content that just aren't fun, and cant be fun. It's not happy, there aren't any easy answers in the end, the resolution is a bitter hollow one. Almost like...real life!!! But yeah it's a show so maybe that's bad I dunno
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Light Gun Man posted:Almost like...real life!!! If a tv show isn't an exact copy of everything that happens in real life then it's garbage tbh
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Light Gun Man posted:Almost like...real life!!! It's not bad, but it's also not an easy watch. JJ is the best of the Marvel Netflix shows, though I think Luke Cage is probably my favorite (yes, in spite of its many flaws). Defenders is...yeah, I'm two episodes from the end and I really like the interactions between the various heroes but the Hand are completely ineffectively written, for all that everyone involved is trying their damnedest. (The problem with Sigourney Weaver's character is absolutely not Sigourney Weaver.)
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Aug 27, 2017 23:29
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I feel like i do strongly like to watch things that "challenge" me once in awhile or do make me uncomfortable but yeah I can see why someone would be bothered if they got that when they were somehow? expecting lighthearted superheroics. Man I'm really behind on these shows. I haven't seen Luke, IF, or Defenders yet. I'm assuming I should watch Luke, skip IF?
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Light Gun Man posted:Man I'm really behind on these shows. I haven't seen Luke, IF, or Defenders yet. I'm assuming I should watch Luke, skip IF? There are things to like in Iron Fist, it's just that the Iron Fist isn't one of them.
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Light Gun Man posted:I feel like i do strongly like to watch things that "challenge" me once in awhile or do make me uncomfortable but yeah I can see why someone would be bothered if they got that when they were somehow? expecting lighthearted superheroics. Yeah, some of the best television out there is of the challenging sort, but I've got to be in the right mood for it. Luke Cage isn't perfect, but it's well worth watching. IF...I made it two episodes and I'll watch any old piece of poo poo.
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Light Gun Man posted:I feel like i do strongly like to watch things that "challenge" me once in awhile or do make me uncomfortable but yeah I can see why someone would be bothered if they got that when they were somehow? expecting lighthearted superheroics. IF is worth it if only for the Meachums.
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I'm of the "Iron Fist isn't that bad" crowd and like half the bad guy setup for Defenders comes from it. So if you're going to watch the latter you should probably watch the former.
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Samizdata posted:IF is worth it if only for the Meachums. Absolutely. The show has bloody David Wenham in for extended periods and all of his scenes are great.
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Aug 28, 2017 00:23
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The scene where the young Meachum walks in on his dad about to nonchalantly carve up a corpse is one my favorite scenes in Netflix Marvel.
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I still say Ward was the only good Meachum, Joy did like two things early in the season then spent the rest looking incredulously at other people before they walked away to do whatever they wanted to do before talking to her in the first place.
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Howard owns... I do not agree that Ward is better or a stand out. He is awesome in his spot though. That family make the show and then the hand come in and gently caress it up diamondback style.
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Aug 28, 2017 01:55
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docbeard posted:It's not bad, but it's also not an easy watch. Have you seen the fight scenes in Daredevil? If not loving watch Daredevil.
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Someone mentioned that the fight coordinator from Daredevil's first season peaced out and left. Where did he go? Because I'll watch anything that man does, because holy good goddamn is that legit. Arrow had a related story where they keep giving more creative control over to their stunt coordinator and the results have been fantastic. The show still has a tendency to lean on shaky cam here and there, but their best stuff can keep up with Netflix's inconsistency. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOzUvw4kEIM Clearly done on a network budget, but damned solid.
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Narcissus1916 posted:Someone mentioned that the fight coordinator from Daredevil's first season peaced out and left. Where did he go? Because I'll watch anything that man does, because holy good goddamn is that legit. That's pretty great for network TV, is Arrow always that good?
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Not always; the show's gone on for five seasons now and the action's had its hits and misses. But the hits are really impressive hits; I would actually consider that clip to be one of the more generic action scenes on the show and not one of the better ones. It's just unfortunate that you have to endure the rest of Arrow's...considerable foibles...to get to those scenes. e: vv To put it another way... BrianWilly fucked around with this message at 08:42 on Aug 28, 2017 |
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HIJK posted:That's pretty great for network TV, is Arrow always that good? Arrow is a really bad show.
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MiddleOne posted:Arrow is a really bad show. I'm the immortal and powerful Iron Fist who is foiled by being tied to a chair.
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Senor Tron posted:I'm the immortal and powerful Iron Fist who is foiled by being tied to a chair. Yeah but he is neither of those things he's just some punk kid.
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Senor Tron posted:I'm the immortal and powerful Iron Fist who is foiled by being tied to a chair. Arrow is worse, trust me.
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