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Teddybear
May 16, 2009

Look! A teddybear doll!
It's soooo cute!


Selachian posted:

David Wong might be to your taste. For older stuff, perhaps James Branch Cabell, or Alexei Panshin's Anthony Villiers books. And, of course, Bridge of Birds.

spandexcajun posted:

I just finished the 3rd Murderbot , I would say "The Murderbot Diaries" are a perfect fit for "incidentally comedic sci-fi". I am sad I only have one more short story to go.

Thanks, I’ll take a look at these!

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Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012
Can anyone recommend a book that captures the feeling of a harmony? I'm not talking about a book that's about harmony, or living in harmony with something, but has the feeling of being written in or is written with a voice in harmony with itself. Something that has the feel of both the duality and simultaneity of a harmony.

I'm listening to a song that's made up of a harmony. On top of that a male singer is backed by the harmony of a female singer, slightly out-of-step at points, echoing their words. The turning point of the song is realising that the two singers may not be singing individually, or even at or about each other, but the one person singing about themselves as both people the one (despite being two separate performers.)

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

Mrenda posted:

Can anyone recommend a book that captures the feeling of a harmony? I'm not talking about a book that's about harmony, or living in harmony with something, but has the feeling of being written in or is written with a voice in harmony with itself. Something that has the feel of both the duality and simultaneity of a harmony.

I'm listening to a song that's made up of a harmony. On top of that a male singer is backed by the harmony of a female singer, slightly out-of-step at points, echoing their words. The turning point of the song is realising that the two singers may not be singing individually, or even at or about each other, but the one person singing about themselves as both people the one (despite being two separate performers.)

Ishmael by David Quinn... is what I was told when I brought up this request with a friend who is more well-read than I am.

CestMoi
Sep 16, 2011

Mrenda posted:

Can anyone recommend a book that captures the feeling of a harmony? I'm not talking about a book that's about harmony, or living in harmony with something, but has the feeling of being written in or is written with a voice in harmony with itself. Something that has the feel of both the duality and simultaneity of a harmony.

I'm listening to a song that's made up of a harmony. On top of that a male singer is backed by the harmony of a female singer, slightly out-of-step at points, echoing their words. The turning point of the song is realising that the two singers may not be singing individually, or even at or about each other, but the one person singing about themselves as both people the one (despite being two separate performers.)

thru by christine brooke-rose

Bandiet
Dec 31, 2015

Mrenda posted:

Can anyone recommend a book that captures the feeling of a harmony? I'm not talking about a book that's about harmony, or living in harmony with something, but has the feeling of being written in or is written with a voice in harmony with itself. Something that has the feel of both the duality and simultaneity of a harmony.

I'm listening to a song that's made up of a harmony. On top of that a male singer is backed by the harmony of a female singer, slightly out-of-step at points, echoing their words. The turning point of the song is realising that the two singers may not be singing individually, or even at or about each other, but the one person singing about themselves as both people the one (despite being two separate performers.)
Repetition by Kierkegaard

The Dregs
Dec 29, 2005

MY TREEEEEEEE!
I need an audiobook to listen to. Are there any Dan Carlin Hardcore History type books out there that fit the bill? Entertaining but still kind of meaty. Especially Ancient-Medieval period.

tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

The Dregs posted:

I need an audiobook to listen to. Are there any Dan Carlin Hardcore History type books out there that fit the bill? Entertaining but still kind of meaty. Especially Ancient-Medieval period.

You might enjoy Debt: The First 5000 Years. It's not character-driven like a lot of Carlin's stuff but it's still kind of fun(?).

Or:
Guns, Germs, and Steel
At Home: A Short History of Private Life
A Short History of Nearly Everything
Tom's River
Any Malcolm Gladwell book

I think of this genre as Dad Pop-Sci or Dad Pop-Sociology. Not to be confused with Dad Military Fiction or Dad History.

spandexcajun
Feb 28, 2005

Suck the head for a little extra cajun flavor
Fallen Rib

tuyop posted:

You might enjoy Debt: The First 5000 Years. It's not character-driven like a lot of Carlin's stuff but it's still kind of fun(?).

Or:
Guns, Germs, and Steel
At Home: A Short History of Private Life
A Short History of Nearly Everything
Tom's River
Any Malcolm Gladwell book

I think of this genre as Dad Pop-Sci or Dad Pop-Sociology. Not to be confused with Dad Military Fiction or Dad History.

Sapiens - Yuval Noah Harari

is right along these lines and was a great fun listen. It's not Medieval but it is history, like all of it.

The Dregs
Dec 29, 2005

MY TREEEEEEEE!

spandexcajun posted:

Sapiens - Yuval Noah Harari

is right along these lines and was a great fun listen. It's not Medieval but it is history, like all of it.

I just looked up the blurb for this book:

Starting from this provocative idea, Sapiens goes on to retell the history of our species from a completely fresh perspective. It explains that money is the most pluralistic system of mutual trust ever devised; that capitalism is the most successful religion ever invented; that the treatment of animals in modern agriculture is probably the worst crime in history; and that even though we are far more powerful than our ancient ancestors, we aren’t much happier.

Is it as politically charged as that makes it seem to be?

Take the plunge! Okay!
Feb 24, 2007



The Dregs posted:

I just looked up the blurb for this book:

Starting from this provocative idea, Sapiens goes on to retell the history of our species from a completely fresh perspective. It explains that money is the most pluralistic system of mutual trust ever devised; that capitalism is the most successful religion ever invented; that the treatment of animals in modern agriculture is probably the worst crime in history; and that even though we are far more powerful than our ancient ancestors, we aren’t much happier.

Is it as politically charged as that makes it seem to be?

Not really, but all the arguments are well fleshed out. His argument about how the need for large conscript armies of literate and healthy men gave birth to liberalism, social democracy and modern health care is really interesting. The weird bit is (I’m not sure whether this is Sapiens or Deus but w/e) the author refutes the only logical conclusion to his premises, and that is that it makes sense for the elites to automate everything and terminate the poor.

In other words, good analysis, poor synthesis. I would argue the book is not political enough.

spandexcajun
Feb 28, 2005

Suck the head for a little extra cajun flavor
Fallen Rib

The Dregs posted:

I just looked up the blurb for this book:

Is it as politically charged as that makes it seem to be?

I certainly did not take that away from it. But, looking at some of the Amazon reviews people sure are fired up (on both sides) I though it much more like a long Dan Calin / Joe Rogen podcast but with a smarter person having a more scientifically grounded version of those types of conversations, I guess. I never checked out the sequel / follow up it sounded less interesting.

But then, I don't think any of the ideas in that blurb are even mildly "provocative" Heck, most of them are just self evident to me.

tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

The Dregs posted:

I just looked up the blurb for this book:

Starting from this provocative idea, Sapiens goes on to retell the history of our species from a completely fresh perspective. It explains that money is the most pluralistic system of mutual trust ever devised; that capitalism is the most successful religion ever invented; that the treatment of animals in modern agriculture is probably the worst crime in history; and that even though we are far more powerful than our ancient ancestors, we aren’t much happier.

Is it as politically charged as that makes it seem to be?

I’m interested in how you would characterize those concepts, uh, apolitically.

The Dregs
Dec 29, 2005

MY TREEEEEEEE!

tuyop posted:

I’m interested in how you would characterize those concepts, uh, apolitically.

I don't. I just didn't feel like reading anything shoring up someone's political opinions, valid as they may be. I think I'll check it out.

CottonWolf
Jul 20, 2012

Good ideas generator

I was wondering if anyone had any good recommendations for vampire horror (explicitly not vampire romance)? I've read and enjoyed Dracula, The Passage series and Salem's Lot, so something along those lines would be a good start.

Thanks!

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

CottonWolf posted:

I was wondering if anyone had any good recommendations for vampire horror (explicitly not vampire romance)? I've read and enjoyed Dracula, The Passage series and Salem's Lot, so something along those lines would be a good start.

Thanks!

Empire of Fear by Brian Stableford

Sonja Blue series, starting with Sunglasses After Dark by Nancy A Collins.

CottonWolf
Jul 20, 2012

Good ideas generator

StrixNebulosa posted:

Empire of Fear by Brian Stableford

Sonja Blue series, starting with Sunglasses After Dark by Nancy A Collins.

Empire of Fear looks like exactly what I was looking for. Thanks.

Cabbages and VHS
Aug 25, 2004

Listen, I've been around a bit, you know, and I thought I'd seen some creepy things go on in the movie business, but I really have to say this is the most disgusting thing that's ever happened to me.
The last two fantasy series that I have enjoyed the most are Jack Vance's Lyoness books, and The Book of the New Sun.

Based on that I was wondering if anyone had any recommendations for me. I'm not put off by things that are weird or somewhat wordy, some degree of surrealism and/or historical accuracy can be of interest. I realize this is really general, but I've been running through my bookcases looking for something to pick up and I'm coming up blank.

I also read Pratchett/Baxter's Long Earth books in the past couple years and basically enjoyed them even if I found parts of them pretty weak. So, I am also not put off by things that are a little silly, but I am more looking for serious fantasy or historical sword porn of some kind.

Ornamented Death
Jan 25, 2006

Pew pew!

Tim Raines IRL posted:

The last two fantasy series that I have enjoyed the most are Jack Vance's Lyoness books, and The Book of the New Sun.

Based on that I was wondering if anyone had any recommendations for me. I'm not put off by things that are weird or somewhat wordy, some degree of surrealism and/or historical accuracy can be of interest. I realize this is really general, but I've been running through my bookcases looking for something to pick up and I'm coming up blank.

I also read Pratchett/Baxter's Long Earth books in the past couple years and basically enjoyed them even if I found parts of them pretty weak. So, I am also not put off by things that are a little silly, but I am more looking for serious fantasy or historical sword porn of some kind.

Check out Vance's Dying Earth series. It's basically combining the two series you enjoyed.

Getsuya
Oct 2, 2013
I need some supernatural horror. Ghosts or aliens or stuff like that. Doesn’t have to be a novel necessarily. Short story collections, non-fiction stuff, hell even stuff on some random website. I’ve read King, Lovecraft and Barker, most of the decent stuff on nosleep and the big creepypastas, my favorite spooky book is Poltergeist: a Study in Destructive Haunting with Mysteries of the Unexplained as a close second.

No zombie or vampire stories. Nothing with human killers or psychopaths as the monster. I’m also not looking for the drawn out creepiness of older stuff. I want visceral, shocking horror. Gross out or body horror is fine/great as long as it’s not the main focus of the work.

Ornamented Death
Jan 25, 2006

Pew pew!

Getsuya posted:

I need some supernatural horror. Ghosts or aliens or stuff like that. Doesn’t have to be a novel necessarily. Short story collections, non-fiction stuff, hell even stuff on some random website. I’ve read King, Lovecraft and Barker, most of the decent stuff on nosleep and the big creepypastas, my favorite spooky book is Poltergeist: a Study in Destructive Haunting with Mysteries of the Unexplained as a close second.

Check out Adam Cesare; everything he's written, with the exception of The Summer Job, fits those criteria.

Ditto for Tim Curran.

Getsuya
Oct 2, 2013
Those appear to be right up my alley, thanks! Actually, looking up Adam Cesare lead me to find the Year's Best Horror anthologies and some things like that so I'm going to try those too and maybe find some new authors I like through that. Great recommend.

Peteyfoot
Nov 24, 2007
Are there any history books about the San Diego area that are recommended? Failing that, recommendations for books about the greater SoCal & Baja area would be greatly appreciated.

Philthy
Jan 28, 2003

Pillbug
I read Anna Karenina on a whim about 5 years ago. I burned through it because it had everything. Literally everything. I decided maybe I was missing out on the whole Russian lit thing, and read Crime and Punishment. I found it to be good, but not great. I moved on to War & Peace. I've tried reading this about 6 times since. I just cannot get into it, and it feels like it was written by someone else entirely. It's dry. I've made it maybe 250 pages in at the most. It feels like I'm reading a history book instead of a fantastic novel that has emotions, characters you cheer for and hate, social arguments that feel like actual conversations, on and on. Basically, I am looking for something as great as AK. This might be too big of an ask. How about just half as great? Keep slogging through W&P?

Anyone?

Franchescanado
Feb 23, 2013

If it wasn't for disappointment
I wouldn't have any appointment

Grimey Drawer

Philthy posted:

I read Anna Karenina on a whim about 5 years ago. I burned through it because it had everything. Literally everything. I decided maybe I was missing out on the whole Russian lit thing, and read Crime and Punishment. I found it to be good, but not great. I moved on to War & Peace. I've tried reading this about 6 times since. I just cannot get into it, and it feels like it was written by someone else entirely. It's dry. I've made it maybe 250 pages in at the most. It feels like I'm reading a history book instead of a fantastic novel that has emotions, characters you cheer for and hate, social arguments that feel like actual conversations, on and on. Basically, I am looking for something as great as AK. This might be too big of an ask. How about just half as great? Keep slogging through W&P?

Anyone?

Maybe check out The Portable Nineteenth-Century Russian Reader

600+ pages with shorter works from all the great Russian authors.

edit: What translation are you reading for War & Peace? Who translated the version of Crime & Punishment you liked? That might be a part of why W&P isn't working for you.

Franchescanado fucked around with this message at 20:12 on May 23, 2019

MockingQuantum
Jan 20, 2012



Yeah I was going to say Chekhov short stories.

Bouillon Rube
Aug 6, 2009


In a book rut at the moment. Any suggestions for someone who just read Lincoln on the Bardo and enjoyed the hell out of it?

regulargonzalez
Aug 18, 2006
UNGH LET ME LICK THOSE BOOTS DADDY HULU ;-* ;-* ;-* YES YES GIVE ME ALL THE CORPORATE CUMMIES :shepspends: :shepspends: :shepspends: ADBLOCK USERS DESERVE THE DEATH PENALTY, DON'T THEY DADDY?
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Philthy posted:

I read Anna Karenina on a whim about 5 years ago. I burned through it because it had everything. Literally everything. I decided maybe I was missing out on the whole Russian lit thing, and read Crime and Punishment. I found it to be good, but not great. I moved on to War & Peace. I've tried reading this about 6 times since. I just cannot get into it, and it feels like it was written by someone else entirely. It's dry. I've made it maybe 250 pages in at the most. It feels like I'm reading a history book instead of a fantastic novel that has emotions, characters you cheer for and hate, social arguments that feel like actual conversations, on and on. Basically, I am looking for something as great as AK. This might be too big of an ask. How about just half as great? Keep slogging through W&P?

Anyone?

The Idiot is fantastic. I read the translation that's available on Project Gutenberg and it hit just the right note. It's one of my favorite books and I recommend it frequently and not just as a Russian Lit suggestion.

CestMoi
Sep 16, 2011

brothers karamazov has "emotions, characters you cheer for and hate, social arguments that feel like actual conversations, on and on" and is just wildly good.
maybe eugene onegin too? there's some nice translations of that. dead souls

Ras Het
May 23, 2007

when I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child - but now I am a man.

Philthy posted:

I read Anna Karenina on a whim about 5 years ago. I burned through it because it had everything. Literally everything. I decided maybe I was missing out on the whole Russian lit thing, and read Crime and Punishment. I found it to be good, but not great. I moved on to War & Peace. I've tried reading this about 6 times since. I just cannot get into it, and it feels like it was written by someone else entirely. It's dry. I've made it maybe 250 pages in at the most. It feels like I'm reading a history book instead of a fantastic novel that has emotions, characters you cheer for and hate, social arguments that feel like actual conversations, on and on. Basically, I am looking for something as great as AK. This might be too big of an ask. How about just half as great? Keep slogging through W&P?

Anyone?

Chekhov's late stories, Dead Souls and Gogol's Petersburg stories, A Hero of Our Time, Master & Margarita, The Foundation Pit, Eugene Onegin & Pushkin's short stories, Fathers & Sons. You don't have to start with the gigantic tomes and then burn yourself out like you did

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

The Master and Margarita barely counts on one level since it is a colorful romp in a way that the others really aren't. It is truly great though, so top of the list anyway.

Hackers film 1995
Nov 4, 2009

Hack the planet!

i had the same problem with war and peace. it is the only book ive never finished. dostoyevsky on the other hand is insanely good and if you want to convince someone to read him, make them read notes from the underground. its short so if they hate it, no big loss of time

Sham bam bamina!
Nov 6, 2012

ƨtupid cat

Franchescanado posted:

edit: What translation are you reading for War & Peace? Who translated the version of Crime & Punishment you liked? That might be a part of why W&P isn't working for you.
Nah, War and Peace just sucks. Anna Karenina is a river that sweeps you along; War and Peace is a lake that you swim across laboriously and with frequent stops to tread water.

Philthy posted:

I read Anna Karenina on a whim about 5 years ago. I burned through it because it had everything. Literally everything. I decided maybe I was missing out on the whole Russian lit thing, and read Crime and Punishment. I found it to be good, but not great. I moved on to War & Peace. I've tried reading this about 6 times since. I just cannot get into it, and it feels like it was written by someone else entirely. It's dry. I've made it maybe 250 pages in at the most. It feels like I'm reading a history book instead of a fantastic novel that has emotions, characters you cheer for and hate, social arguments that feel like actual conversations, on and on. Basically, I am looking for something as great as AK. This might be too big of an ask. How about just half as great? Keep slogging through W&P?

Anyone?
The Brothers Karamazov is not only my favorite Russian novel but my favorite novel. I recommend the Magarshack translation, which is unconscionably out of print (replaced in the Penguin Classics by McDuff's stuffy version) but is dirt-cheap on AbeBooks or eBay. I have to admit that Ivan's philosophical crisis is pretty quaint a century and a half later, but a thousand-page book has room for a creaky board like that when everything else is brilliant.

In addition to the other Russian books recommended, I'll offer Andrey Bely's Petersburg (Elsworth's translation if you're not committed to reading all three major ones or learning Russian to read the original) and Vasily Aksyonov's The Burn, which don't really convince you of their authors' worldviews like Anna Karenina does (especially not Petersburg, which was written by a crazy-pants Theosophist who believed that the color blue was evil) but are full of enough nightmarish psychedelia and kaleidoscopic prose tricks that it's beside the point.

Sham bam bamina! fucked around with this message at 07:42 on May 28, 2019

Human Tornada
Mar 4, 2005

I been wantin to see a honkey dance.
I'm looking for two recommends.

1 - A mystery/thriller/ set in Hawaii or South Pacific Islands with lots of good local color, think John D MacDonald for Florida or A Brief History of Seven Killings for Jamaica. Can be breezy or meaty, but nothing super depressing.

2 - A good non-fiction account of the Golden Age of Piracy with a heavy dose of the personalities and the nitty-gritty of piracy. Empire of Blue Water, The Republic of Pirates, and Under the Black Flag are three that I'm looking at.

Sham bam bamina!
Nov 6, 2012

ƨtupid cat

Human Tornada posted:

2 - A good non-fiction account of the Golden Age of Piracy with a heavy dose of the personalities and the nitty-gritty of piracy. Empire of Blue Water, The Republic of Pirates, and Under the Black Flag are three that I'm looking at.
I recently saw Alexander O. Exquemelin's The Buccaneers of America at a secondhand book store. It's an eyewitness account written by one of Captain Morgan's seamen. The one I saw was translated from the original Dutch by Alexis Brown; Wikipedia says that the first English version (1684) was apparently sourced from a badly garbled Spanish translation, so steer clear of that.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound
Under the Black Flag is pretty much definitive as far as I'm aware.

Squalid
Nov 4, 2008

I listened to War and Peace as an audiobook over like six months and even though i kept forgetting who the characters were it didn't really seem to matter that much. Each chapter is relatively short and self contained, probably because it was originally written as a serial. It keeps coming back to the same themes so I found it easy to keep track of what the book was about even though I wasn't paying close attention, and the plots play out like a soap opera. To be honest I liked the philosophical and historical asides more than the main plot. I found most of the characters unlikable and the story was kinda, puffy? It was light listening in the manner of a long television drama, not something that demanded much attention. I was probably listening/reading to at least three other things concurrently and I think that's the best way to enjoy it, rather than consuming it all in one go. Just fit chapters in here or there before dinner or on the bus but have something else for your literary main course, so to speak.

Selachian
Oct 9, 2012

Seconding Under the Black Flag. I also like Captain Johnson's The Most Noted Pirates, with the caveat that it's not entirely non-fiction.

As for mystery novels set in Hawaii ... well, the first Charlie Chan novel, The House Without a Key, is set in Honolulu and does have quite a bit of local color (for the 1920s, that is). But while it's less racist than Fu Manchu and the other Yellow Peril novels, it's still pretty racist in the "1920s white guy attempting to write about Those Inscrutable Orientals" manner.

Selachian fucked around with this message at 07:44 on May 29, 2019

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

Selachian posted:


As for mystery novels set in Hawaii ... well, the first Charlie Chan novel, The House Without a Key, is set in Honolulu and does have quite a bit of local color (for the 1920s, that is). But while it's less racist than Fu Manchu and the other Yellow Peril novels, it's still pretty racist in the "1920s white guy attempting to write about Those Inscrutable Orientals" manner.

Yeah, it's "1920's white author trying to be race-positive" racist.

The only author I really associate with hawaii or the south pacific is Michener but I've only read a few things by him and it was a long time ago. His short story collection Rascals in Paradise is great but it's nonfiction.

Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG


Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Yeah, it's "1920's white author trying to be race-positive" racist.

The only author I really associate with hawaii or the south pacific is Michener but I've only read a few things by him and it was a long time ago. His short story collection Rascals in Paradise is great but it's nonfiction.

I'm sure there are some Magnum PI novelizations out there somewhere

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Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound
Hrm. Yeah, I'm thinking either Michener's Hawaii or as a long shot a book I've never actually read, From Here to Eternity.

Here's a list of mystery novels set in Hawaii, don't think I've read any of them other than the Charlie Chan:

http://www.leftcoastcrime.org/2009/hawaii_books.html

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