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They should have put the 13B in the Miata and the 3.7l V6 from the Mustang(we can still be friends right?  ) in the RX-8 for a legit Mustang/Camaro/Gencoupe/350Z competitor. 
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1791apparel posted:The fact remains, if rotories were to disappear tomorrow, the only group that would likely know or care are rotary enthusiasts. I would say that's rather circular reasoning, but that's a bit beyond the pale even for me
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Mar 26, 2014 14:53
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Maybe if someone made a rotary that didn't suck people would buy them
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Mar 26, 2014 15:32
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Personally I'm a fan of radial engines and believe they should make a comeback.13 INCH DICK posted:Maybe if someone made a rotary that didn't suck people would buy them Also this. I want rotaries to succeed because they are cool and triangles are cool. But not enough to put up with burnign oil and making GBS threads apex seals every few years. Rotary range extenders for evs are a pretty cool concept too but good luck seeing that while Mazda constantly flirts with bankruptcy. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Mar 26, 2014 |
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Mar 26, 2014 15:43
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Snowdens Secret posted:I would say that's rather circular reasoning, but that's a bit beyond the pale even for me I won't argue with that. Oddly enough the whole concept of successfully selling cars is circular as well. There needs to be an established market to market to. It's true that once in a while a vehicle or concept comes along that creates our carves out a new niche, but it's been roughly 45 years for the rotary. All Mazda has to show for it is limited success. I'd rather they invest resources in viable markets.
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Mar 26, 2014 15:58
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The essential ban on rotaries in motorsports probably doesn't help their development either. That said, that rotary Mazda2 hybrid they showed last year was pretty cool and might actually be plausible. Especially if they license it out for other stuff like generators, etc. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 16:04 on Mar 26, 2014 |
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Mar 26, 2014 16:00
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How much money does Mazda the company actually make off of Rotards at this point?
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Mar 26, 2014 19:49
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Cream_Filling posted:The essential ban on rotaries in motorsports probably doesn't help their development either. Ban? Just off the top of my head you have an entire series (Formula Mazda) running them, they are allowed in LeMans again, and Mazda recently switched from the RX-8 to the diesel 6 in some GT series.
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Mar 26, 2014 21:50
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Brigdh posted:Power per liter was the topic being debated. Whether or not it is relevant for a street application is a different debatable topic. It wasn't. Displacement only plays a small part in an engine's overall weight and size, and HP/L is really nothing more than an interesting statistic to brag about. Trust me, I drive a Honda.
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Mar 27, 2014 02:01
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PeterWeller posted:It wasn't. Displacement only plays a small part in an engine's overall weight and size, and HP/L is really nothing more than an interesting statistic to brag about. Trust me, I drive a Honda. All HP/L tells you is how high the engine revs (or how much boost its being fed). Bumping the redline of an engine up by 500 rpms is good for a solid 30HP on an N/A V6 or V8.
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Mar 27, 2014 02:36
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oRenj9 posted:All HP/L tells you is how high the engine revs (or how much boost its being fed). Bumping the redline of an engine up by 500 rpms is good for a solid 30HP on an N/A V6 or V8. Not if you don't have the cam profile to match.
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Mar 27, 2014 02:42
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Brigdh posted:Ban? Just off the top of my head you have an entire series (Formula Mazda) running them, they are allowed in LeMans again, and Mazda recently switched from the RX-8 to the diesel 6 in some GT series. We've got a healthy ban in some off road racing. Some of it is due to the engine builder I work for who put more effort into the builds causing podium clean sweeps.
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Mar 27, 2014 06:19
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Have you seen my apex seals? I seem to have lost them.
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oRenj9 posted:All HP/L tells you is how high the engine revs (or how much boost its being fed). Bumping the redline of an engine up by 500 rpms is good for a solid 30HP on an N/A V6 or V8. Compression and combustion efficiency and other factors are at play as well, but you're pretty much correct in a simplified way. For example, the major apparent difference between the MZR in my old NC Miata and the K20 in my Civic Si is that the latter has another 1000 RPM to work with.
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Mar 27, 2014 16:47
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Don't rotaries also effectively have two intake cycles per rotation, making measuring their displacement kinda tricky? I'm pretty sure the 787B was classed at LeMans at twice the displacement Mazda would measure it at, making the hp/l masturbation much more hilarious.
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Mar 27, 2014 18:07
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Yeah, I've heard many people argue that the 13B is a 2.6L motor instead of a 1.3L one.
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Mar 27, 2014 20:44
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Just seen this on Jalopnik. Remember the Cadillac "poolside" advert for the ELR? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGJSI48gkFc Shots fired, as I believe the kids say nowadays: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAN61QK0aUI
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Mar 27, 2014 22:01
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Jesus that might be more embarrassing than the Cadillac one
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Mar 28, 2014 01:23
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At this point Chrysler could just hire Eminem to take a big steamy dump in the middle of a Detroit street and it would still be the best commercial of the three.
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Mar 28, 2014 01:35
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Snowdens Secret posted:Jesus that might be more embarrassing than the Cadillac one
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Mar 28, 2014 02:06
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I like both... I'm weird.
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Mar 28, 2014 02:58
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Cadillac's advertising has been pretty good the past few years, but that ad just comes off as some purestrain jingoism. The Ford one is try-hard as gently caress, but it's fairly cute.
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Mar 28, 2014 03:01
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Ineptus Mechanicus posted:At this point Chrysler could just hire Eminem to take a big steamy dump in the middle of a Detroit street and it would still be the best commercial of the three. Then the lady from the ford commercial could come pick it up and make some FRESH SOIL!
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Mar 28, 2014 03:07
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Ineptus Mechanicus posted:At this point Chrysler could just hire Eminem to take a big steamy dump in the middle of a Detroit street and it would still be the best commercial of the three. Didn't they basically already do this with the old 200 ad? Well I guess they didnt' show Eminem making it but they showed some random workers doing it.
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Mar 28, 2014 03:22
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Rebuttal: taken from a pub at 11:15 on a Tuesday. In August:
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Mar 28, 2014 04:40
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Not a real ad.
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Mar 28, 2014 05:05
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PeterWeller posted:Yeah, I've heard many people argue that the 13B is a 2.6L motor instead of a 1.3L one. They have a good argument too. The FIA has a equivancy factor of 1.8 for rotarys based on actual igntion volume per crank rotation, which is also how two stroke engines are worked out (actualyl resonably well accepted idea) - any less and you put the 13B into sub 2 litre and it simply rips those classes apart. I was circuit racing when the FIA decided to drop the equivalency factor to 1.3 and holy poo poo Rotarys dominated EVRYTHING sub 2 litre. You just could not even get top 10 in anything else, no matter how wild you made it. It went 1.7 to 1.8 so fast it wasnt funny and there was a lot of politics in the background to restrict freedoms as well as oturight banning (restrict mods - Banning by making uncompetitve). A Rotary responds incredibly well to mods as it's actualyl a very restricted motor from the factory to a) ahut it up and b) drive down the emissions. Many of the basn and restrictions still remain in place because in Improved Production, a drat near 40 year old car like the RX7 can make a mess of plenty of modern cars. The FD carries substansial weight penalities in some classes as it's still (like the Integra Type R) just that much better in race trim than comparible newer cars.
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Mar 28, 2014 05:06
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The 3 Rotor RX-8s in Grand-Am were the most ear-piercingly loud things I have ever heard in my life. They were significantly louder than the Daytona Prototypes.
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Do forced-induction rotaries get a rotary equivalence factor and a forced induction equivalence factor compounded together or what?
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InitialDave posted:Just seen this on Jalopnik. Remember the Cadillac "poolside" advert for the ELR?
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Mar 28, 2014 12:27
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angryhampster posted:That dude's suit is sharp as hell. That dude is sharp as hell, he was extremely awesome (and creepy) on Justified, season 3.
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Mar 28, 2014 12:49
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Phone posted:Not a real ad. 
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Mar 28, 2014 18:22
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I know a number of vocal people like to poo poo all over P1 cars, but Toyota's new TS040 is underpants-on-head crazy: quote:The previous 3.4-liter V8 has been replaced by a 3.7-liter V8 developing 513 horsepower, and the new engine is coupled to an Aisin AW electric motor at the front, a Denso electric motor at the rear and a Nisshinbo super-capacitor that combine to kick out an extra 473 hp, giving the system a combined output of nearly 1,000 horsepower while consuming 25 percent less fuel than last year's car. It also gives the TS040 all-wheel drive to help channel all that power to the road.
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Mar 28, 2014 22:21
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Its predecessor sounds like a TIE fighter with an afterburner: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bFShHZv4wk
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Mar 28, 2014 22:24
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Tesla S is getting free body armor. http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/03/shields-up-tesla-model-s-gains-free-titanium-and-aluminum-armor-upgrade/ Those demonstration gifs are amazing. I particularly like Tesla vs. Alternator.
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bull3964 posted:Tesla S is getting free body armor. They need to make that push rivet out of the same materials as the armour 
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Mar 29, 2014 00:40
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Cancelbot posted:They need to make that push rivet out of the same materials as the armour
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Mar 29, 2014 01:29
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I think the idea is, in the unlikely event of running over a trailer hitch or alternator, the armor will hold up and protect the undercarriage of the car at the expense of maybe having to replace a 20 cent plastic clip. That's an ok trade.
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Mar 29, 2014 02:27
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BoostCreep posted:I think the idea is, in the unlikely event of running over a trailer hitch or alternator, the armor will hold up and protect the undercarriage of the car at the expense of maybe having to replace a 20 cent plastic clip. That's an ok trade. and then the driver will drive 80 miles to the dealer to investigate a noise and bright white sparks shooting out from under their car.
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Mar 29, 2014 02:33
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Seat Safety Switch posted:Its predecessor sounds like a TIE fighter with an afterburner: I saw a Fisker Karma in the flesh today up close. It sounds incredibly strange, like a drat space ship or something, I couldn't wrap my head around it 
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That sound it makes + the styling are about the only good things to come out of Fisker it seems like.
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