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Berke Negri posted:Your "friend" met with Newt, right. Not only will we launch a mission to explore Jupiter, we'll go there using American rockets, built with American steels from American ore mines, fueled with American drilled oil, refined by American specialist engineers, launched from the beautiful, sunny, and 100% real American coast of the State of Texas, and when we're in geosynchronous American orbit, we will propel ourselves with American fuel, and light the night sky for the world with the Americanum Borealus.
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That map's fantastic, where'd you get it? sweek0 posted:Have there been any massive gently caress ups because of the different date-writing systems before? Have important people shown up to a meeting on the wrong date and such? I know Celcius/Fahrenheit definitely has lead to some big mistakes in the past. Kinda in response to both these: in Australia, the military (and a few government organisations) exclusively uses letters for the month - eg 13SEP2014 - pretty much entirely because of seppos not being able to read rest-of-the-world dates.
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Sep 13, 2014 04:59
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This is probably a better map of American empire: Also you can pretty much shade tall the ocean red.
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Sep 13, 2014 05:30
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Did Americans ever have a presence in the RoC or would the reds have been kindly quick with a violent response?
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Sep 13, 2014 05:32
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:This is probably a better map of American empire: Canada needs another color, because significant portions of Canada's military is integrated with US command (due to NORAD). Frostwerks posted:Did Americans ever have a presence in the RoC or would the reds have been kindly quick with a violent response? America preferred to just casually send navy ships on maneuvers between Taiwan and the mainland, with accompanying air force maneuvers in the area.
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Sep 13, 2014 05:32
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System Metternich posted:There is indeed: I can't say I'd much recommend these maps, crazily detailed or not. First of all, while giving precedence to languages spoken by a minority in a given area to better show the geographic distribution of minority languages is logical, he also seems to have listed wide swaths of territory in some areas as speaking languages that Ethnologue lists as having a couple hundred speakers total, and it's likely that in some of the blotches there's no speakers of the indicated languages there at all. Also, the way the maps are colored, minor dialectal differences within languages are indistinguishable from borders between actual different languages, meaning that the maps won't tell you much unless you're already very familiar with what you're looking at. For continent-wide maps and especially for maps with a lot of languages he would have been much better off coloring everything mutually intelligible as the same color.
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Sep 13, 2014 05:39
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:This is probably a better map of American empire: Probably too modest, due to lack of inclusion of Mexico and central America.
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Sep 13, 2014 05:41
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The measure of power in the 21st century is force projection, and we really have the military ability to have American troops weapons everything on the ground in almost any country in less than a day. We can get airstrikes there in a few hours, and we can turn a place into a radioactive cinder in even less time. Also the only thing that can really stop us is internal politics because no other country is at parity with us militarily and we don't listen to anyone.
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Sep 13, 2014 05:48
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Berke Negri posted:Probably too modest, due to lack of inclusion of Mexico and central America. You forgot to include all the publicly known blacksites. Add DRC, Ethiopia, Uganda, SA to the map.
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My Imaginary GF posted:You forgot to include all the publicly known blacksites. Add DRC, Ethiopia, Uganda, SA to the map.
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Troop deployments is a very poor way to portray American influence given force projection, not to mention less quantitative factors.
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Sep 13, 2014 05:54
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Berke Negri posted:Troop deployments is a very poor way to portray American influence given force projection, not to mention less quantitative factors. Better measure: #of FSOs by type
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Nintendo Kid posted:America preferred to just casually send navy ships on maneuvers between Taiwan and the mainland, with accompanying air force maneuvers in the area. There were servicemen in Taiwan until 1979. Nothing major though, mostly intelligence and air crews. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Air_Force_installations#Taiwan Here's some blogs and ancient websites with pictures http://ricksworkshop.org/Taipei.html http://shulinkou.tripod.com/Dawg1.html 
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Sep 13, 2014 06:20
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This has some interesting border choices.
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:This is probably a better map of American empire: The US uses airbases on a variety of small islands that should be highlighted. example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia
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cheerfullydrab posted:The measure of power in the 21st century is force projection, and we really have the military ability to have American troops weapons everything on the ground in almost any country in less than a day. We can get airstrikes there in a few hours, and we can turn a place into a radioactive cinder in even less time. Also the only thing that can really stop us is internal politics because no other country is at parity with us militarily and we don't listen to anyone. And yet in practical reality the USA cannot send forces into China or Russia, and cannot nuke them without getting nuked in return. Obama isn't even able to stop Putin from swallowing Ukraine. America simply cannot project enough force to overcome the Russians if a real war over Ukraine would break out, and nuclear strikes are obviously out since Putin has nukes of his own. Geopolitical realities still constrain the USA. Just ask how much harder it would have been to supply the troops in Afghanistan had Putin not allowed supplies to pass through Russia. There is also a reason the USA could not "win" the Korean war once Chinese troops intervened directly. And it's an open question if the USA could establish control over the ocean around China in case of an active war.
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"Not willing to invade mainland China" and "not willing to put troops in eastern Ukraine on Russia's border" is not a compelling argument of American influence constrained or in decline. If anything if these are the US' "redline" so to speak it is progressively more impressive than America was in 1945, 1960, or 1972, even 1989.
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Sep 13, 2014 08:12
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Tony Jowns posted:That map's fantastic, where'd you get it? You probably only do it that way because that's the way the US military has done it since anyone started to give a poo poo about the way you write a date.
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Tony Jowns posted:That map's fantastic, where'd you get it? And especially, what does it mean? cheerfullydrab posted:The measure of power in the 21st century is force projection, and we really have the military ability to have American troops weapons everything on the ground in almost any country in less than a day. We can get airstrikes there in a few hours, and we can turn a place into a radioactive cinder in even less time. Also the only thing that can really stop us is internal politics because no other country is at parity with us militarily and we don't listen to anyone. drat, that's badass. Nice.
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Why is Manchester labelled Liverpool?
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Tony Jowns posted:That map's fantastic, where'd you get it? Phlegmish posted:And especially, what does it mean? Phlegmish posted:For a language to effectively survive in today's world, it needs to be dominant or at least present in its area's administration, media and/or educational system. Wales...is doomed to irrelevance unless the government is willing to take radical, Israel-style measures. then copied the style of those maps showing the expansion of Israel over the years unto Great Britain, with Wales standing in for Israel, and England Palestine. I suppose they might not be as iconic/memorable to everyone else as they are to me though. ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Why is Manchester labelled Liverpool?
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Berke Negri posted:"Not willing to invade mainland China" and "not willing to put troops in eastern Ukraine on Russia's border" is not a compelling argument of American influence constrained or in decline. If anything if these are the US' "redline" so to speak it is progressively more impressive than America was in 1945, 1960, or 1972, even 1989. 1. "Not willing to invade mainland China" should better read "not ABLE to invade mainland China". 2. I agree that the US is probably more powerful than 1945 or 1989, I was just pushing back against the point that "the only thing that can really stop us is internal politics because no other country is at parity with us militarily and we don't listen to anyone." There are limits to what the US can do, even though it's the most powerful nation in the world. Military might alone did not manage to pacify Iraq (or Afghanistan most likely). The occupations alone are another problem. How many of these things can the USA maintain at the same time? Iraq and Afghanistan together was a huge strain, would the US military be able to conquer and occupy Iran at the same time? I have my doubts. I also don't think that the USA alone could win a conventional war over Ukraine with Russia, though it would probably be different if the whole of NATO intervened there. But then there would be the nuclear weapons, which are an effective deterrence and make it impossible for the USA to tough Russia or China in the first place. To cut it short, I just wanted to say that it's dangerous to overestimate both the military power the US has, and what military power can achieve. US intervention in the last few decades, when it was probably the most powerful ever, did not really end well for the USA for the most parts.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:then copied the style of those maps showing the expansion of Israel over the years unto Great Britain, with Wales standing in for Israel, and England Palestine. I suppose they might not be as iconic/memorable to everyone else as they are to me though.
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Torrannor posted:1. "Not willing to invade mainland China" should better read "not ABLE to invade mainland China".  The invasion is over. 
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A Buttery Pastry posted:I selectively quoted your post about Wales and the Irish language I didn't immediately make the association, I was thinking more of Israel's successful attempt to revive Hebrew. Of course, as your map shows, the Israelis never take half measures.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:I selectively quoted your post about Wales and the Irish language don't worry buddy i got the joke  i didn't know whether it was your own work or if there was somebody else i should be congratulating.
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Come on Poland, you banned corporal punishment in schools back in 1783. That's plenty of time to ban it at home too. Also, Western Europe = backwards Europe
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While there's no federal laws against it, half the country doesn't allow corporal punishment in schools I won't say which color represents what, I'll just let you everyone use their judgement on which half bans corporal punishment in schools. Also the wiki article on governmental judicial corporal punishment as a much smaller map than the one above  e: beaten 
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Sep 13, 2014 17:43
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Weird that French Guyana has different rules for corporal punishment. VVVVV: Isle of Man has a special status.
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Why is there a blue pixel between Britain and Ireland? Is that the Isle of Man? Can they set their own laws?
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OddObserver posted:I am surprised US isn't broken up by state? Amused to Death posted:While there's no federal laws against it, half the country doesn't allow corporal punishment in schools I was raised in Alabama and moved north when I was 21. People here are amazed when I tell them I got paddled in high school many times, even for excessive tardies.
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dinoputz posted:I was raised in Alabama and moved north when I was 21. People here are amazed when I tell them I got paddled in high school many times, even for excessive tardies. If you had told me this back when I was in school my reaction probably would have been  I just took it for granted that this wasn't 1949 and no school paddled kids anymore until I think I saw it in a news article inadvertently one day.Then you got this poo poo where a middle aged man(the principal of a school) paddles a bunch of teenage girls due to their dresses being too revealing at prom http://jezebel.com/5508055/your-revealing-prom-dress-will-get-you-paddled That's like the plot line to a cheap porno.
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Torrannor posted:Why is there a blue pixel between Britain and Ireland? Is that the Isle of Man? Can they set their own laws? It is and yes they can. The Isle of Man maintained judicial corporal punishment for some time after the rest of the UK. In this case the map appears to be wrong though, according to this the Isle of Man does allow parents to use corporal punishment under English common law.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Come on Poland, you banned corporal punishment in schools back in 1783. That's plenty of time to ban it at home too. It's a bit out of date, Spain and Portugal has apparently banned it entirely as well. e; it also has an extremely malformed Iceland   "help me" 
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Sep 13, 2014 18:07
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Kainser posted:It's a bit out of date, Spain and Portugal has apparently banned it entirely as well.
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So what forms of corporal punishment are used by the US government? Does the map refer to waterboarding and beating terror suspects or is corporal punishment used in prisons too?
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Amused to Death posted:While there's no federal laws against it, half the country doesn't allow corporal punishment in schools Wait a second -- what?? In the 21st century?! I thought corporal punishment was banned across the country. What kind of savages are these people?! Jesus Christ. 
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