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It has been a little weird not seeing Germany declare war on the entire world in a weekend and then get subsequently clowned on by everyone while they’re busy trying to march directly over the Maginot Line.
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HorrificExistence posted:Swedish collaberatioon with the nazis is a faux pas in sweden so I doubt they'd touch it Yeah I feel like HOI4 more than other Paradox games has to touch on some pretty uncomfortable subjects that most nations would probably rather forget. I'm conflicted about excluding atrocities. On the one hand, they definitely happened and played a major role in the war, but on the other hand you really, really do not want to give the player a "do the Holocaust" button because jesus christ why would you ever click that. Even what they did for the Stalinist purges is a bit uncomfortable to think about. It's such a huge issue and directly (rather than indirectly) impacted the Soviet's ability to fight, but man, it's pretty gross when you think about what clicking "The Great Purge" National Focus actually means you're doing. I can't even bring myself to play as Nazi Germany so I'm super happy with the newest DLC because I can finally play as Germany and not be disgusted with myself.
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Mar 12, 2018 17:16
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StarMinstrel posted:Ok, but the new front lines are broken and unusable yes? I'm basically waiting to hear they're fixed before buying the DLC/playing again. Maybe if you would tell us why you think they're broken and unusable because it seems like nobody here has the same impression of them as you  axeil posted:Yeah I feel like HOI4 more than other Paradox games has to touch on some pretty uncomfortable subjects that most nations would probably rather forget. I'm honestly shocked PDX is allowed to sell the game in China for committing the grave sin of showing the Kuomintang flag.
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Mar 12, 2018 17:41
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Drone posted:I'm honestly shocked PDX is allowed to sell the game in China for committing the grave sin of showing the Kuomintang flag. From the post still stickied at the top of their forum they still can't. Don't know if Waking the Tiger is available since the previous two expansions were apparently unaffected but the base game was pulled from Steam. Doesn't seem like God Emperior Xi has changed his mind yet.
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Mar 12, 2018 17:54
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Psychotic Weasel posted:From the post still stickied at the top of their forum they still can't. judging by workshop, the game is still really popular in china
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Mar 12, 2018 18:02
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Drone posted:Maybe if you would tell us why you think they're broken and unusable because it seems like nobody here has the same impression of them as you Oh? Why's that? My knowledge of what went down in the East/Chinese Civil War is not nearly as extensive as my knowledge about stuff in Europe. edit: upon googling I realize that Kuomintang is just the word for Nationalist China so that makes sense. But is the ROC/PRC split still so serious that PRC won't even let people acknowledge that ROC ya know, existed (and lost) the civil war?
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Mar 12, 2018 18:05
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look up Chinese Taipei in Wikipedia to see how serious the prc takes it.
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Mar 12, 2018 18:16
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Drone posted:Maybe if you would tell us why you think they're broken and unusable because it seems like nobody here has the same impression of them as you Dongattack posted:It's soooo freaking frustrating that i just gave up on the whole game. AI leaves divisions unused, huge gaps in the frontline, stacks huge amounts of divisions in one spot, etc. And then when you finally have it set up right and you hit the attack button all your plans break after like a week And more similar stuff I've been reading on forums/seeing in let's plays all over the place. /edit Like, maybe everybody is not talking about it because they're all using the old front system, or everybody is using the new one and it works absolutely fine. I just want to know which is which before I eventually buy the DLC.
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Mar 12, 2018 18:29
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Fuligin posted:judging by workshop, the game is still really popular in china and, rare for a paradox expansion, it actually has mostly positive reviews on Steam because of the tremendous amount of enthusiasm for the focus on china
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Mar 12, 2018 18:31
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Lawman 0 posted:Someone wanna give me a tldr on how to play Romania? 1) Go Balkan Dominance route 2) Make a division template with ~10 width of infantry and nothing else 3) Train a few dozen of them 4) Get as much manpower as possible and once you have enough in your pool start switching the troops from the crappy 10 width to a real template 5) And now you have manpower in the field and can take the Bulgaria, Hungary, and Yugoslavia focus paths 6) Usually at least one of them will put up a fight but they are extremely easy to steamroll You can get all this done by 39'ish easily and if you are a little faster than that you can also split czechoslovakia with Germany. Do all that and you are basically the most powerful European nation behind the USSR/Germany with your own sizable oil supply and can do whatever the hell you want 420 Gank Mid fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Mar 12, 2018 |
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Mar 12, 2018 18:32
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Anyone else having issues with the AI leaving huge gaps in your frontlines?
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Mar 12, 2018 18:32
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Zikan posted:look up Chinese Taipei in Wikipedia to see how serious the prc takes it. ... Well that is really, really stupid. PRC obviously won the Chinese Civil War and both ROC and PRC should just accept reality and move on as two separate states (yes, I realize how naive that is).
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Mar 12, 2018 18:33
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I'm surprised the game is doing well in China, considering you can lose with the PRC.
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Mar 12, 2018 18:33
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HorrificExistence posted:Anyone else having issues with the AI leaving huge gaps in your frontlines? Two posts up.
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Mar 12, 2018 18:33
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axeil posted:Yeah I feel like HOI4 more than other Paradox games has to touch on some pretty uncomfortable subjects that most nations would probably rather forget. What's worse is the game portrays the purges as needed to prevent a civil war. That is actually one of the most dangerous myths the game can perpetuate.
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Mar 12, 2018 18:35
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HorrificExistence posted:What's worse is the game portrays the purges as needed to prevent a civil war. That is actually one of the most dangerous myths the game can perpetuate. Yeah, I've been waiting for them to change that particular pile of horseshit for a while now. It's the worst concept for a focus tree in the game.
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Mar 12, 2018 18:37
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Gort posted:Yeah, I've been waiting for them to change that particular pile of horseshit for a while now. It's the worst concept for a focus tree in the game. Given that they just wrote a pretty good alternate history Monarchist/Democratic Germany tree I think the time has come to write a good Trotskyite or even Democratic USSR tree. Not sure how to weave that in with how the Great Purge currently works but I think it should happen.
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Mar 12, 2018 18:47
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They should just rename it to reduce confusion from people mixing up the Moscow show trials and whatever atrocity (historical or otherwise) they think the “Great Purge” button inflicts.
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Mar 12, 2018 18:53
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Honestly, why don't they just have a "kill all jewish doctors" event for the USSR?
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Mar 12, 2018 18:55
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Pretty sure there were more than 6 Jewish doctors in the Soviet Union, let's be fair.
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Mar 12, 2018 19:00
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HorrificExistence posted:What's worse is the game portrays the purges as needed to prevent a civil war. That is actually one of the most dangerous myths the game can perpetuate. I've been toying with replacing it with a Stalin Paranoia-o-meter, where Stalin gets increasingly paranoid until he start a purge. The player can decide to influence things (so to protect valuable generals by sacrificing useless ones) or allow a "wild purge" - or back the military in a coup to remove Stalin and invite Trotsky back. But on the other hand, we are on a very tight timeframe and this may take too long to play out properly.
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Mar 12, 2018 19:14
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ArchangeI posted:I've been toying with replacing it with a Stalin Paranoia-o-meter, where Stalin gets increasingly paranoid until he start a purge. The player can decide to influence things (so to protect valuable generals by sacrificing useless ones) or allow a "wild purge" - or back the military in a coup to remove Stalin and invite Trotsky back. Should involve regional party officials trying to protect their power base http://home.ku.edu.tr/~mbaker/cshs522/GettyMassRepressions.pdf
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Mar 12, 2018 19:24
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Realistically the Soviet Union needs a focus tree overhaul on the same scale that the Axis Powers got.
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Mar 12, 2018 19:25
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Give the USSR a focus where Kane assassinates Stalin and turns it into the Brotherhood of Nod
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Mar 12, 2018 19:40
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1Sq1Nr58hM
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Takanago posted:Give the USSR a focus where Kane assassinates Stalin and turns it into the Brotherhood of Nod 
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Mar 12, 2018 19:52
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Wowee, does Manchukuo start out in a bad situation. 2% stability, 0% war support, one factory of each type and two research teams.
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Mar 12, 2018 20:11
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Wow, Soviets winning the civil war results in... the Soviet focus tree being reset. I was wondering why the AI Soviets had seemed to have done no focuses whatsoever when I was in my other games. 
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Mar 12, 2018 20:18
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axeil posted:two separate states That is exactly the heart of the problem. The only reason Taiwan exists is because they managed to scrape together enough military power and foreign support to keep the Communists from outright invading and finishing them off the task of reunifying China. Formally recognizing their independence is basically implicitly accepting that if you can get enough military power to back you up, you have the right to independence. Given that China has a major issue with at least two large separatist movements, this is not an idea they want to encourage at all. That's why they maintain the fiction that Taiwan is a rebellious province and one day, if they REALLY felt like it, they'll get around to reunifying China. Meanwhile the ROC's claim to still be the legitimate government of all of China (including the bits that the Communists had since negotiated away with other powers - look up a map of ROC claims sometimes, it's hilarious) makes less ideological sense, but makes a great deal of practical sense in that the Mainland would get ripshit pissed if they ever renounced those claims and thus abandoned the idea that there is only one true China, thereby causing all the above mentioned problems.
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Mar 12, 2018 20:34
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Tomn posted:if you can get enough military power to back you up, you have the right to independence I mean, yes, this is factually true. But yeah, PRC policy and logic aren't really two things that go in the same sentence usually. China didn't really experience 19th century imperialism the same way Western powers did (since it was on the receiving end), so now it's still exhibiting attitudes that it took two devastating world wars for most of the Western world to shake off.
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Mar 12, 2018 20:43
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Sheep posted:Wow, Soviets winning the civil war results in... the Soviet focus tree being reset. that also explains the repeated civil wars. There's a modded Soviet focus tree on Steam Workshop (Road to 56 has it as well) that has a fairly detailed alt-Trotsky path (with warlike and pacific variants depending on your Trotsky fanfic I guess) but really the Great Purge just needs to be events you can't cancel, because realistically (a) they're in there to help balance the USSR going nuts and taking over the world in 1938 (b) you do not want to expect the player to do stupid things (c) the politics is - let's just say - problematic. Have a focus branch to cancel the purge and do a Trotsky Civil War if you absolutely think that his returning to save the working class was in any way a possibility (it wasn't) but handle it the same way as the new alt-Germany focuses. Strudel Man posted:Wowee, does Manchukuo start out in a bad situation. 2% stability, 0% war support, one factory of each type and two research teams. it's not as bad as you think. Japan has a focus branch which buffs Manchukuo which they tend to do quickly, and Manchukuo's own focuses allow you to crawl out of the hole in a couple of years. Thanks to some absolutely insane combat bonuses Pu-Yi gets vs. Japanese troops and in core territory it's not that hard to reform Qing China (really the bugs are more of a threat than the Kwangtung Army) Lum_ fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Mar 12, 2018 |
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Mar 12, 2018 20:44
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The Japan civil war as communists is broken. My first try, I could spam infinite volunteers from the Soviet Union, and after the war I couldn't disband them and they took up all my manpower. Second try my puppets became communist, joined me (I was the communist Japan), then declared war on me, switched sides, joined the comintern and then called the soviet union against me in my war against fascist japan.
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Mar 12, 2018 21:01
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Sheep posted:Wow, Soviets winning the civil war results in... the Soviet focus tree being reset. I just got this game. Does this mean that USSR is broken right now or is this a rare thing that can be easily avoided?
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Mar 12, 2018 21:07
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If I want to form the New Roman Empire as Italy its says that I need to "control" several provinces, but I don't know if it means "control" as in "actually own the thing" or "be in a faction with the dude who owns the thing"
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Mar 12, 2018 21:12
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it's easy to avoid civil war as the ussr, yes. You just need to take the great purge as one of your like first seven focuses.
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Mar 12, 2018 21:14
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Stairmaster posted:it's easy to avoid civil war as the ussr, yes. You just need to take the great purge as one of your like first seven focuses. it's good to do ASAP anyway since you want the maluses from it to be almost over whenever you get to war in Europe. I usually rush it then do the industry focii
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Mar 12, 2018 21:36
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StarMinstrel posted:...maluses...focii... 
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Mar 12, 2018 21:39
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Flavius Belisarius posted:I just got this game. Does this mean that USSR is broken right now or is this a rare thing that can be easily avoided? Stairmaster posted:it's easy to avoid civil war as the ussr, yes. You just need to take the great purge as one of your like first seven focuses. Yes, you can avoid the civil war, but you may not want to, in which case it's a game breaking bug for the USSR. If you do want to avoid the civil war, probably best to wait until the Spanish civil war starts before doing the purges else you run the risk of not being able to send more than like two divisions of volunteers.
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Mar 12, 2018 21:43
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You can easily finish the purges before anything real kicks off and get rid of the malus with a short winter war, so why not send those armored divisions into China as well? They'll get back for the Finish conflict to boot.
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StarMinstrel posted:Ok, but the new front lines are broken and unusable yes? I'm basically waiting to hear they're fixed before buying the DLC/playing again. I've been playing for like, probably 20 hours since the patch dropped, and I've had no problems despite using the fronts system constantly with minimal micro?  Ignorant Hick posted:I'm fairly certain that if a division losses all its organization and there's no available manpower left to reinforce the division gets destroyed instead of retreating. Same thing happened to them in my Communist China game. It may also help that Germany gets near-0% consumer factories, can get free war economy before they generate any world tension, and get national spirits that improve their construction of essentially everything and the resource generation of oil factories, and thus consistently has more factories than the US as well as better output from them given all the national spirits, and barely suffers from resource issues given their synthetics.
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