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The pictures of the Cruze don't even really look that bad. Yeah the front grille is kind of wonky, but other than that it looks like every other generic economy car on the market.
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Guinness posted:The pictures of the Cruze don't even really look that bad. Yeah the front grille is kind of wonky, but other than that it looks like every other generic economy car on the market. I think the Cruze has aged badly, and mechanically is pretty dull. Nearly every car in the Cruze's class, bar the Honda Civic and Nissan Pulsar, looks a billion times better than it. Even the Toyota Corolla (at least the one Australia gets) looks far more interesting. And that's pretty damning from the Toyota White Goods Car Factory.
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Apr 14, 2014 23:36
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Holy poo poo the amount of car above the rear wheel well before you get to the beltline. You could stack two tires vertically and be even with it. poo poo modern car proportions are out of whack.
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Apr 14, 2014 23:37
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Super Aggro Crag posted:The Cruze honestly looks way better in person than any pictures of it I've seen on the internet. I just don't get why they're keeping the sharp angle on where the rear doors meet the c-pillars. That angle's not actually there on the Cruze's sheetmetal, so they create it with a piece of plastic trim. It was one of the more distinctive design elements on the last gen of Cavaliers and the Cobalt, but I woulda thought they'd want to dissociate this car somewhat from the Cav.
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Apr 14, 2014 23:39
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I dunno, I drive a Cobalt so...
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Apr 14, 2014 23:49
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I had that desk when I was a kid!
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So GM is like really bad at this recall thing, it looks like: http://jalopnik.com/here-are-all-the-damning-revelations-from-gms-documents-1563037043 Weird that people are claiming warranty on airbags. Wouldn't you have to crash it to find out they don't work? The best part is the email chain where a GM VP freaks out because the US government has the sheer audacity to claim GM is a little lax with safety and goes as far to say Mitsubishi is a better car company. Seat Safety Switch fucked around with this message at 23:58 on Apr 14, 2014 |
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Apr 14, 2014 23:56
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Seat Safety Switch posted:So GM is like really bad at this recall thing, it looks like: http://jalopnik.com/here-are-all-the-damning-revelations-from-gms-documents-1563037043 Freaked out in a good way, like, this shouldn't be happening. Why has nobody considered having a button you have to push to switch off, like every other manufacturer.
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Apr 15, 2014 00:17
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CharlesM posted:Freaked out in a good way, like, this shouldn't be happening. Huh? Everything I've driven that has a button only needs that to remove the key - not to turn it off. Even then, if the mechanism is worn or not holding properly by design, it won't help anything.
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Apr 15, 2014 00:22
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Won't it keep the steering wheel from locking up though? And the airbags on?
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Apr 15, 2014 00:26
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kill GM, sell the trucks to China, the Camaro to Ford and the Vette to Dodge
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Apr 15, 2014 00:34
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VikingSkull posted:kill GM, sell the trucks to China, the Camaro to Ford and the Vette to Dodge To big to fail (catastrophically, in the showroom.)
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Apr 15, 2014 00:40
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Coredump posted:Holy poo poo the amount of car above the rear wheel well before you get to the beltline. You could stack two tires vertically and be even with it. poo poo modern car proportions are out of whack. This is a pretty silly statement to make about a car covered in camo.
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Apr 15, 2014 00:59
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CharlesM posted:Won't it keep the steering wheel from locking up though? And the airbags on? Nope. My old Cavalier (and I assume the Cobalt/Ion are the same) had a button to remove the key but you could switch that baby off while driving all day long without pushing it. It was only to release the key, like IOC said. Having the key in the ignition cylinder probably keeps the steering wheel from locking up, but the airbags are only enabled when the car is set to ON it sounds like.
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You Am I posted:I think the Cruze has aged badly, and mechanically is pretty dull. Nearly every car in the Cruze's class, bar the Honda Civic and Nissan Pulsar, looks a billion times better than it. Even the Toyota Corolla (at least the one Australia gets) looks far more interesting. And that's pretty damning from the Toyota White Goods Car Factory. It's basically unchanged for six years, which is an eternity. Everything else has been either re-designed or significantly refreshed in that time period. I think it's still pretty competitive - power and fuel economy are still competitive, and the interior is decent compared to peers. Especially if you consider that GM cars frequently came from the factory uncompetitive, it's a good effort. They really need to hit a home run with the 2016 though.
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VikingSkull posted:and the Vette to Dodge Honestly Id like to see Ford make a genuine 'vette competitor. And bring back the Ranger. And return the Explorer to Ranger based. (They already have 3 other CUVs, they don't need 4).
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ilkhan posted:Don't even joke about that. What about bringing back the Ranger but making it Explorer based
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Seat Safety Switch posted:
Well, that's exactly it. People were crashing the cars in situations that should have set off the airbags but they weren't deploying (because the car was jostled off.) It's conceivable that some of those cars were repairable which would then result in a "Why the hell didn't my airbag go off?" warranty claim.
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Seat Safety Switch posted:Nope. My old Cavalier (and I assume the Cobalt/Ion are the same) had a button to remove the key but you could switch that baby off while driving all day long without pushing it. It was only to release the key, like IOC said. I thought on my car it stops at ACC, but I'm not sure, as it's just muscle memory to push the button automatically if I'm touching the keys. I wonder if the airbags work in ACC actually. Maybe not.
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ilkhan posted:Don't even joke about that. They've been making a front engine, rear wheel drive two seat sports car for two decades, Ford really hasn't since the 50's. My point in saying what I did was GM is an awful company and the terrible alternatives are less terrible than GM.
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ilkhan posted:Don't even joke about that. Both Ford and GM make live axle, BOF SUVs based on the Asian market Ranger and Colorado. The vehicle already exists.   
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Apr 15, 2014 14:56
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Throatwarbler posted:Both Ford and GM make live axle, BOF SUVs based on the Asian market Ranger and Colorado. The vehicle already exists.
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ilkhan posted:That looks pretty good, actually. Ford Grand Cherokee. Also; lol @ "Chevy Trailblazer, The Ultimate American PPV." "That you can't buy in America."
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Apr 15, 2014 15:17
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ilkhan posted:That looks pretty good, actually. It's like some synthesis of the new hexagonal grille and three-bar grille but still much better than the disasterpiece that is the new F-150 front end design. On the other hand the int'l Colorado/Trailblazer is weird and bulgy.
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I'd get one of those Fords for my Mom as replacement for her 2004 Escape (dog hauler/light trail camper) over an Explorer, which is too big. That is provided it doesn't drive like her old 1998 Explorer.
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Apr 15, 2014 15:22
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That Everest looks a lot like an old 4Runner to me. Cool.
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I was reading this and about 4 paragraphs in, I started thinking "Is this just a rant about government regulations? What the hell is the point of this?" And then I scrolled down. quote:© Copyright 2014 The Weekly Standard LLC - A Weekly Conservative Magazine & Blog. All Rights Reserved. 
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Apr 15, 2014 16:06
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Stupid government, trying to protect the environment and human lives.
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KillHour posted:I was reading this and about 4 paragraphs in, I started thinking "Is this just a rant about government regulations? What the hell is the point of this?" And then I scrolled down. Yeah, I wish I had a better source but it's just a one-spot compilation of stuff that's been posted over and over in this thread, when people ask "why is this hood so high, why are my windows gunslits, why is there so much sheetmetal above the wheels, why are all these drat cars the same." Which is actually people griping about the regulations. It comes up like every 5 pages, and came up like three posts below that one.
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Snowdens Secret posted:Yeah, I wish I had a better source but it's just a one-spot compilation of stuff that's been posted over and over in this thread, when people ask "why is this hood so high, why are my windows gunslits, why is there so much sheetmetal above the wheels, why are all these drat cars the same." Which is actually people griping about the regulations. It comes up like every 5 pages, and came up like three posts below that one. This might be a better article, since it looks like that one references it directly but then adds a bunch of stuff on top:http://www.caranddriver.com/features/taking-the-hit-how-pedestrian-protection-regs-make-cars-fatter-feature 
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One of the significant reasons for heightened beltines is side impact standards. Even if you did away with pedestrian impact standards, you're still not going to get 1989 Civic beltlines.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:One of the significant reasons for heightened beltines is side impact standards. Even if you did away with pedestrian impact standards, you're still not going to get 1989 Civic beltlines. I bet you could if customers and manufacturers cared and budgeted for it - more high strength steel, etc. The old gen subarus were known as having excellent side impact despite having low beltlines. But big greenhouses aren't fashionable either so they'd rather spend the money on other engineering areas.
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Cars getting fatter will continue until we stop trying to use engineering to fix a driver training problem.
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MrYenko posted:fix a driver training problem. Self driving cars are going to happen before this.
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MrYenko posted:Cars getting fatter will continue until we stop trying to use engineering to fix a driver training problem. I think this really isn't true for a lot of safety things, but exceptions that stand out to me are roof crush test standards and pedestrian impact standards, which really are more a driver training problem. Roof strenght standards are kind of sillly since it's fairly difficult to flip a non-SUV car unless you're loving things up real bad (especially with modern stability and roll control) and ironically the extra weight on the roof makes cars more likely to flip. Also the pedestrian impact standards are of questionable efficacy even in Europe, and are honestly pretty irrelevant for the US where they're a pretty small portion of traffic fatalities. Especially because, again ironically, higher cowls and beltlines actually make it harder to see pedestrians. You'd be better off spending on driver education and better civil engineering considering the probably significant cost it has in terms of aerodynamics and thus fuel mileage (esp. in the US where highway driving is more common).
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aparmenideanmonad posted:Self driving cars are going to happen before this. The heat death of the universe is going to happen before this.
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PCOS Bill posted:The heat death of the universe is going to happen before this. What? Self-driving cars already exist. Like it or not, the days of piloting your own vehicle are numbered.
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The Midniter posted:What? Self-driving cars already exist. Like it or not, the days of piloting your own vehicle are numbered. I wasn't responding to his statement, I was adding to it. The universe will end before people get smarter about driving. And they'll take my self driving driving from my cold, dead hands.
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