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Desperate Character
Apr 13, 2009
I had the fog gate glitch happen to me as a summon at the Deacans of the Deep fight and one of the deacons actually fell over through the fog to our side while the other summon and I spammed the hello carving repeatedly in sync. The whole boss battle took almost five minutes but in the end the host lost to the curse cloud from the second phase :laffo:

For Irithryll just run past everything in the first section of the level because it is complete bullshit and the zone will be much more tolerable once you get to the second bonfire. With the enemies you just need to roll away while they do their combo and hope you have enough stamina to kill them in one stun-lock flurry

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Calaveron
Aug 7, 2006
:negative:

Glenn_Beckett posted:

I'm like three or four bosses after that, and I'm still thinking about how rad that fight is.

I feel like that's a boss you need to solo.

Incidentally, if I hosed up the Yoel thing, should I still bother to kill the assassin in the Yorshka Church bonfire or should I just let Anri get assassinated?

Filthy Hans
Jun 27, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 10 years!)

muscles like this? posted:

Any tips for Irithyll of the Boreal Valley? The enemies here are really kicking my rear end.

The dark-skinned guys are easy, take them out first if they're near the tall pyro dudes. Pyro dudes have 1 annoying melee grab attack so hit them twice and wait to see what they do - dodge if it's that spear grab move, attack otherwise. The Irithyll knight enemies' weapons determine how to fight them, if they have a curved sword evade until they attack 2 or 3 times, if they're sword & shield kick them to guard break and kill them with the followup critical. There's one knight later on with a reaper but he's just like fighting a curved sword guy.

Boreal Valley is tough at first, after you make it through the gauntlet past the second bonfire it gets much easier. Then the only problem is getting mobbed by the enemies that turn invisible, you can escape and pick them off piecemeal if they surround you.

Glenn_Beckett
Sep 13, 2008

When I see a 9/11 victim family on television I'm just like 'Given the existence as uttered forth in the public works of Puncher and Wattmann of a personal God quaquaqua'

Calaveron posted:

I feel like that's a boss you need to solo.

On principle, never summon on a first play through.

v disgusting

Glenn_Beckett fucked around with this message at 03:41 on Apr 23, 2016

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007
I've summoned at least one phantom for nearly every boss I've encountered and I don't give a gently caress. I never liked Souls bosses. Dancing around a wall of meat that can two-shot me while ear-splitting music drones on isn't why I play these games.

Bloodborne's an exception, but then Bloodborne's an exception for a lot of things.

Kiggles
Dec 30, 2007

Deceitful Penguin posted:

Speaking of though, are they much fun to go for? They all seem to take huge amounts of stamina and be slow as heck, are they worth it or should I just fire up my longsword?
If you don't meet the stat requirements weapons cost a ton more stamina (nevermind have negative scaling, and I think are more prone to bouncing, for example when hitting a shield).

General rule, if you have the minimum stats to use a weapon, and it is upgraded comparable to other weapons, it is worth using. It's all about working the moveset to your advantage. Example, using attacks with a thrusting animation in hallways, or against NPCs that seem to take less damage to a slash. There are definitely exceptions, and a lot of novelty weapons. Some weapons otherwise have severe downsides, but these are usually things for you to keep in mind and work around, than a particular strike against them. A few rare exceptions are just downright bad unless you have well in excess of the minimum requirements. At the low end of this category are weapons with high scaling attributes (low base damage), and on the high end of that scale might be things like the Morion Blade, which has a really unique property increasing damage when below 20% health.

Kiggles
Dec 30, 2007

muscles like this? posted:

Any tips for Irithyll of the Boreal Valley? The enemies here are really kicking my rear end.

Most everything there is best handled by charging the gently caress in and R1 spamming to kill things ASAP.

To make this easier,
try luring it out.
eliminating one at a time required ahead.

Filthy Hans
Jun 27, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 10 years!)

Public announcement: The Falchion's forward+1 attack is a proper kick, not the slash-into-backflip nonsense which plagues other curved swords. Farm yours in the Catacombs today.

sandoz
Jan 29, 2009


OK after a week of trying to figure this out, killing Aldrich was what caused the slug man to spawn in Rosaria's Bedchamber and drop the Xanthous Crown for me. Finally, I am the mushroom pope.

CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better

So you pvp pros, what am I supposed go do when the host does nothing but run like a birch around a fire summoning new phantoms whenever the old ones die and chugging estus?

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011
I'm using an Estoc in the Undead Settlement and I need to figure out how to better punish estus-users. Even if I try to stay close, they can usually get away long enough to get a drink in, and I don't hit hard enough to prevent them from gaining some health. Any tips? Be better at backstabbing?

e: ^^^^^ or that

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



Ravenfood posted:

I'm using an Estoc in the Undead Settlement and I need to figure out how to better punish estus-users. Even if I try to stay close, they can usually get away long enough to get a drink in, and I don't hit hard enough to prevent them from gaining some health. Any tips? Be better at backstabbing?

e: ^^^^^ or that

Get extremely good at landing Undead Hunter Charms.

DOUBLE CLICK HERE
Feb 5, 2005
WA3

Glenn_Beckett posted:

On principle, never summon on a first play through.

v disgusting

Agreed. But the bosses for DS3 are so easy or a gimmick, summons have never been needed less.

Calaveron
Aug 7, 2006
:negative:
Come on guys I'm standing here in this church hungrily eying this statue. Should I go through with it or ignore it since I got hosed out of that ending?

spit on my clit
Jul 19, 2015

by Cyrano4747
Invasions should cancel all summon signs :kheldragar:

Filthy Hans
Jun 27, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 10 years!)

Ravenfood posted:

I'm using an Estoc in the Undead Settlement and I need to figure out how to better punish estus-users. Even if I try to stay close, they can usually get away long enough to get a drink in, and I don't hit hard enough to prevent them from gaining some health. Any tips? Be better at backstabbing?

e: ^^^^^ or that

The stanced R2 has a nice range, sometimes it does the trick giving you enough distance to hit while they're chugging. Or you could accept that estus will be drunk in DS3 and instead save your stamina for after they drink&roll.

I AM BRAWW
Jul 18, 2014
Pvp in dark souls is meant to be scummy. It's basically the equivalent of fighting someone with swords and throwing sand in their eyes. If you aren't using enemies to your advantage, no-estus item, poison, spells, knowing the area, etc etc as an invader, and instead just going for the loving retarded "honourable 1v1", ur retard

spit on my clit
Jul 19, 2015

by Cyrano4747
pvp is whatever you want it to be

or rather, whatever the host wants it to be

I AM BRAWW
Jul 18, 2014
Like for real if you aren't petty enough to go sit by the Black Knight, Giant Crabs or two human NPC's in the forest once you see him summon more ppl or stay near bonfire, you are doing invading wrong.

Kiggles
Dec 30, 2007

DreamShipWrecked posted:

So you pvp pros, what am I supposed go do when the host does nothing but run like a birch around a fire summoning new phantoms whenever the old ones die and chugging estus?

Not much, really. It's one of this game's "weaknesses", in so far as someone who doesn't want to die is damned near impossible to kill. It works in the context of chaotic - this work is full of phantoms - online I guess they were going for, but since you don't have that luxury as an invader your only option is to play like a bitch yourself and just try to fall back toward the boss door and way for them to come to you. Otherwise is yakkity sax for however long it takes for the host to finally die from chipping running R1s, or you die when the inevitable summons overwhelm you.

Still, you don't have many better options - that I have found - for dealing with a fleeing target. On the plus side, when a phantom does show up, the host will probably lean toward the aggressive, which will leave them vulnerable. On the plus side, the same thing that makes hosts a massive chore to deal with makes you a massive chore to deal with, and most people get tunnel vision and will try to kill you instead of rushing to the boss door; it's like DS1 where as soon as you hit the fog you're invulnerable and you despawn almost immediately. Once people figure this out invading is probably going to be really tedious unless someone more badass and awesome than I am (that's a lot of people) knows of a better way to punish roll spamming.

Vermain posted:

Get extremely good at landing Undead Hunter Charms.

Yes, this... and good luck. What I wouldn't give for some Rope Undead Hunter Charms. Why the poo poo are thrown consumables so loving slow?

turtlecrunch
May 14, 2013

Hesitation is defeat.
Dear FROM thanks for making it so that it costs 75k to replenish my greatarrows after clearing a level, but I also can't sit and farm souls for them because I can only hold a MAX of 50 in storage.

Dazzling Addar
Mar 27, 2010

He may have a funny face, but he's THE BEST KONG
Dealing with the deeply cowardly requires a change in mindset, and your parameters for victory change. Charging headfirst into a bonfire ganksquad won't get you anywhere unless you've got a very specific weapon setup and a fairly considerable gap in skill. You have to be cagey. Go somewhere you know they'll have to pass by eventually and wait. Use the enemies and the environment to your advantage. Use young branches to disguise yourself, if the area allows for you to reasonably be able to do that. As an invader, your goal is to block the other player from progressing. If your presence inspires so much terror that they refuse to even leave the bonfire with a 3 phantom escort, then you've honestly already won. If you can get them to blow a giant tree seed, all the better. Take out some non-respawning enemies for them if you can, to send a message. Don't engage them on their terms.

Undead Hunter Charms are also useful tools for blocking estus recovery, but another viable strategy is simply to win the war of attrition. The host will run out of flasks eventually. Also the soldering iron CLAIMS to block healing but I'm going to be honest if it does it's for a very short period of time and it does garbage damage so whatever.

snoremac
Jul 27, 2012

I LOVE SEEING DEAD BABIES ON 𝕏, THE EVERYTHING APP. IT'S WORTH IT FOR THE FOLLOWING TAB.
Where exactly is that area with the Fire Demon and the lava nearby? I can't remember if it's in the Catacombs or Demon Ruins and don't feel like blindly hunting for it.

ShadowMar
Mar 2, 2010

HERE IS A
GRAVEYARD
OF YOU!


if the host decides to run away and never stop running there's virtually nothing you can do about it except hope they fall off a cliff, get swiped by an enemy mob, or have a sudden aneurysm

I, Butthole
Jun 30, 2007

Begin the operations of the gas chambers, gas schools, gas universities, gas libraries, gas museums, gas dance halls, and gas threads, etcetera.
I DEMAND IT

I, Butthole posted:

What are the recommended levels for L othric Castle and C onsumed King Garden for coop? I'm 74 and think I might be too high.

Thread goes fast

GatewayOfLastResort
Oct 11, 2007

I'm saving up such a laugh.
The early dancer run is worth it just for the winged knight chest piece. My pyromancer looks like a chubby angel ignoring her horrible frog witch face.

Genocyber
Jun 4, 2012

I AM BRAWW posted:

Like for real if you aren't petty enough to go sit by the Black Knight, Giant Crabs or two human NPC's in the forest once you see him summon more ppl or stay near bonfire, you are doing invading wrong.

This doesn't work most of the time. 90% of the time, no matter how long you wait, the host and his 2-3 buddies will just stay camped at the bonfire or some other safe spot and will not move. I've literally had to wait 20+ minutes in some instances before I just crystalled out. It's a huge issue.

Melanion
Jun 7, 2011

heard the walls are paper thin from where you are to where I am

Jimbot posted:

Is there a secret or good method of getting the items on the lava floor? Does this game have the that ring from Dark Souls 1 where it reduces lava damage to basically nothing?

I haven't been to any lava areas yet so I dunno the effectiveness for myself, but there's the Flash Sweat pyromancy that ups fire absorption a bunch.

e: I forgot to refresh the thread and this is four pages old and probably already answered. Thread moves fast!

Melanion fucked around with this message at 04:08 on Apr 23, 2016

omg chael crash
Jul 8, 2012

Macys paid for this. Noodle Boy and Bonby are bad at video games and even worse friends.


I've played all of these games a whole bunch of times but I couldn't beat this first boss if my life depended on it.

Spooky Bear Ghost
Sep 17, 2010

lets get spooky

YoshiOfYellow posted:

Regarding Yhorm and whether or not he's a DS2 giant/giants have faces:

Look at his ashes on the throne in Firelink. Case closed. :colbert:

Well, hes not a ds1 giant, and he clearly looks like the giant lord and last giant :v:

Spiritus Nox
Sep 2, 2011

There is literally no part of Harkwood's arc/fight that is not a massive loving waste of time.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!
What Harkwood is a fun fight a and his quest line requires no real effort to do

8-Bit Scholar
Jan 23, 2016

by FactsAreUseless
Hey how do I get Yuria's armor?

Genocyber
Jun 4, 2012

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6z5OUO-KEk

8-Bit Scholar posted:

Hey how do I get Yuria's armor?

Kill 'er.

Spiritus Nox
Sep 2, 2011

CharlestheHammer posted:

What Harkwood is a fun fight a and his quest line requires no real effort to do

What fun is there in an ordinary dude with ridiculous poise and wide-sweeping, stunlocking anime combos with a bad voice actor, no really interesting reason to fight you, and no real reward for bothering?

pthighs
Jun 21, 2013

Pillbug

turtlecrunch posted:

Someone asked earlier yesterday for a sort of lore/background summary on the first two games and how it might feed into this game. I wrote a summary like this a couple months ago, but I wanted to try and rewrite it now to blow off the last few hours of Friday afternoon at work.

Here you go guy, I tried: http://pastebin.com/c4xMiwmq (it's spoiler-town)

Also don't bully me about my attempted spoiler tag and the way I tried to denote long quotes in the text ok.

This was very good, thank you.

Yorkshire Pudding
Nov 24, 2006



If you're not serving the One True God Aldrich and PvPing in that area you're doing it wrong.

Lothric archers up top, deacons on a high ledge, hidden giant, a basement where you can trap people, its an invaders wet dream.

Worst case scenario the host runs back to the start of the zone and has nowhere else to go.

Jade Mage
Jan 4, 2013

This is Canada. It snows nine months of the year, and hails the other three.

Anybody have a fun build idea for me to try? I've done farron greatsword, estoc, longsword, dark sword, and pyromancy

That Dang Dad
Apr 23, 2003

Well I am
over-fucking-whelmed...
Young Orc

Shindragon posted:

You ain't the only. My 2nd run and that dude is my wall for now.

Mostly cuz he keeps blind shoting me with the crystal wave while I take his clones. If I don't take out his clones, then I get killed by a barrage of spears.

Alright, my dude/ette, here's Anal Surgery's Coward Strategy. You need: Poison Mist, a few arrows.

Run up, poison mist the Sage, then wail away. Basically, do stage one of the fight normal, making sure you get sage poisoned before the clones. Then, once the clones show up, run up the hill on the right side of the stage and hide in the little nook in the rocks (there was a message there for me). The poison will tick down slowly but nothing can touch you in the nook. Use your arrows to get rid of the blue clones. As long as it's poison damage, the Sage won't teleport. You'll have to apply poison probably 2 more times, but with the clones gone, you can kind of shimmy around the purple poo poo and not worry about blue arrows to the back. It took me about 5-10 minutes, but it was the only way I could finally do it solo.

i'm not proud, but I am happy.

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Willfrey
Jul 20, 2007

Why don't the poors simply buy more money?
Fun Shoe

turtlecrunch posted:

Dear FROM thanks for making it so that it costs 75k to replenish my greatarrows after clearing a level, but I also can't sit and farm souls for them because I can only hold a MAX of 50 in storage.

its almost like they were trying to keep you from cheesing everything in the game with arrows

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