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megane posted:Isn't there a thing where every Chinese squad that dies gets instantly replaced? Is there a point to beating up the Chinese? Chinese units do get replaced, but that means they still require supplies. If you can cut off their supply production/routes than you could, theoretically, conquer them. As for the islands thing, the issue arises is where are you attacking from and to. For instance, there's a lot of empty space between the Philippines and Hawai but ignoring those precious few islands means two major things. 1) You're giving the enemy a lot of free bases to use as airfields to harass your shipping. 2) Your ships have to travel over much longer periods which makes it harder to react to stuff without having ships floating around all the time. Eventually, yes, you'll probably imitate real life and skip some of the lesser islands but usually only because there's no sense fighting someone for an island off the coast of New Guinea if you control everything around it. *Edit* And even then, you might as well capture it for the points
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Jobbo_Fett posted:So I finally got around to giving the sunk ship "database" a bit of an overhaul, filling in missed blanks, putting in more info... haha oh dang, RIP delicious boat Is the KV Jasmine alive? That is also tasty.
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Feb 12, 2016 04:43
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The Japanese economy is imploding and you need to conquer to feed it (specifically Java, Sumatra, Brunei etc.) You also need to conquer areas to secure shipping routes (The Phillipines, Singapore, Hong Kong) and push the allies away from these areas so they can't level your oilfields with strategic bombers (Burma, Northern Australia.) You need to do this all at once because you've got a bonus to amphibious landings at the start of the game and you need to get a lot of your conquering done before that runs out.
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Feb 12, 2016 04:48
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megane posted:Isn't there a thing where every Chinese squad that dies gets instantly replaced? Is there a point to beating up the Chinese? 1. Any Chinese land unit that gets completely destroyed gets respawned in Chungking at something like 30% of full strength. They still need to be supplied to be brought back up to strength, and the remaining 70% needs to be rebuilt through the standard industry/replacement system, which means a Japanese player can still overwhelm and conquer China regardless. 2. Hawaii is somewhat of a bad example because there's just open ocean between it and Tokyo*, but if you were attacking any other place, you really do need all the other smaller points on the periphery because you're otherwise opening yourself up to being flanked. As well, all these small atolls and whatnot serve as early-warning stations where you can detect an incoming fleet. The Kido Butai can generally flatten anything that the US throws against it until they get carrier parity in maybe late '43, but you can't react to what you can't see. * this is actually why it's going to be very difficult to take and hold Hawaii - you need a ton of merchants shuttling supplies and fuel back and forth from Hawaii, and that sealane is going to get interdicted as gently caress by the US Submarine Service. You also have zero land-based aircraft that can strike Hawaii until you take it, which means your only air support is going to be from the KB, and the KB can't be there all the time.
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Feb 12, 2016 04:59
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The amphib bonus lets you pull off all sorts of amazing attacks. Vancouver Island, Hawaii, the Mersing Gambit (hit Mersing on T1 so that you get a free shot to Singapore early), KB strike on Manilla T1, early Port Morsby, turn 2 hit the oil in the DEI, and so on. You get to have whatever you want, so you better go out and get it. But no specific objective will win you the war. You need a multitude of objectives all over the map to get anywhere near autovictory, and the farther from Japan you can stall the allies the more likely they won't win once the tide turns against you. It's also possible to win China outright. Chinese containers reappear when destroyed, but their squads still need to be rebuilt using supplies, and the Chinese don't really have any. Even so, a common strategy is to strip heavier elements from China and Manchuria for use elsewhere.
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Feb 12, 2016 05:01
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biosterous posted:haha oh dang, RIP delicious boat Should be, changed your claim.
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Feb 12, 2016 05:04
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I'll take the SS Salmon, please. Mmm. Salmon.
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Feb 12, 2016 06:12
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I'll take the SS Skipjack. Hopefully she hasn't already gotten exploded.
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Feb 12, 2016 08:12
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I love the sign of confidence that most people are taking Allied ships.....
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Feb 12, 2016 08:53
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Grey Hunter posted:I love the sign of confidence that most people are taking Allied ships..... I don't know any ships and people had taken all the good Japanese ones straight away so I just googled the only remaining carrier in the game.
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Feb 12, 2016 09:29
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Grey Hunter posted:I love the sign of confidence that most people are taking Allied ships..... hey man I took I-8, commit some beautiful warcrimes for me
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Feb 12, 2016 09:48
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Honestly, I just picked Narwhal so I could post Weeblstuff songs on the thread and have them be relevant.
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Feb 12, 2016 13:40
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Woodchip posted:We can both root for the Queen of Torps together Weeeeeeeee!!  "The Queen of Torpedos".... hahahaha that sounds so cool I'd better not have a daughter.
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Feb 12, 2016 15:51
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Can I claim the Yamato Maru? I can only remember one Japanese ship name, and if I read that spreadsheet right the battleship is already taken.
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Feb 12, 2016 17:11
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ZiegeDame posted:Can I claim the Yamato Maru? I can only remember one Japanese ship name, and if I read that spreadsheet right the battleship is already taken. There's no such ship in the game, which is weird as it was a real ship... weird.
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Feb 12, 2016 17:48
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   Dammit, they are reinforcing Port Moresby.  We move from Manado to Ternate – and it looks like the Allies have reoccupied Manado. I thought I'd left a unit there.  Finally! We shatter the British and open the way to Singapore – I want a few days to rest and refit, then we shall march!   I cancelled the targeted sweeps, and the AI sends more planes in on its own. Figures.  I need to recheck these altitudes, they should all be much lower.   We hit another ship off Pearl.   Oh well, time to rest again.  We are still attacking at Amoy.   Finally, Johore Batau is mine! I just need Changsha and Bataan now. We're apparently now at a Minor victory.  Two more kills.  Lets see how effective this is – I think the low supplies will hurt us a little.
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Feb 12, 2016 17:57
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Jobbo_Fett posted:There's no such ship in the game, which is weird as it was a real ship... weird. The real question: is there a Kobayashi Maru in-game?
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Feb 12, 2016 18:20
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Drone posted:The real question: is there a Kobayashi Maru in-game? A search through combinedfleet.com tells me no. 
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Feb 12, 2016 18:26
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Well you got ~2/5 of them, lots of combat squads, 67 squads of engineers is quite a lot, as is 93 guns. Will be interesting to see what they still have in Singapore.
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Feb 12, 2016 18:33
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Drone posted:The real question: is there a Kobayashi Maru in-game? 
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Feb 12, 2016 18:42
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That's a pretty good AP.
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Feb 12, 2016 18:49
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what parts of the campaign has grey been doing that are above and bellow the real life japanese's schedule? As in, has grey beat real life japan at conquering anything and has he failed to achieve a conquest that they made irl?
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Feb 13, 2016 00:56
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Missed another WitP launch and the Kirishima. Once again, Grey, kill the Enterprise, placate Cthulhu, and I would like to claim the BB-67 USS Montana, try and sink that!
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Feb 13, 2016 03:27
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Is there any realistic chance that Grey could be able to capture Chungking or wherever it is that the Chinese units respawn?
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Feb 13, 2016 05:24
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Lakedaimon posted:Is there any realistic chance that Grey could be able to capture Chungking or wherever it is that the Chinese units respawn? If he cuts off the supply to it and does well enough in his advance, it is possible. Takes a bit of luck though
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Feb 13, 2016 05:30
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Lakedaimon posted:Is there any realistic chance that Grey could be able to capture Chungking or wherever it is that the Chinese units respawn? If he can liquidate the whole rest of China so he can concentrate forces to taking it, cut it off from supply and use strategic bombing on its factories to reduce internal supplies, it should be doable. It'd be a significant commitment, but winning all of China is a good source of auto-victory points from an AI that's too hapless to counter effectively anyway.
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Feb 13, 2016 05:37
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Once you're on the Chungking plains and the city's in poor supply it's actually fairly easy. If you get there and it's in ok supply then there's a problem. Getting there is the hard part.
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Feb 13, 2016 07:56
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Where is it on the game map compared to where you start?
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Feb 13, 2016 11:03
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Are we actually cutting off any supply to China? Burma is still in Allied hands
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Feb 13, 2016 12:22
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Dunno-Lars posted:Where is it on the game map compared to where you start? It's not that far, it's just that between the Japanese and Chungking there are lots of mountains and no roads. 
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Feb 13, 2016 12:42
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"just"
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  That's what I'm talking about. Now repeat with more force.  Buna is hit again.  Ternate falls to our forces – with the enemy destroyed, we can pack up and sail to the next destination.  We continue to chip away at Amoy.  A quiet day, with not much to report – the Johore troops have not called on any replacements, so there is little to show there. Grumio posted:Are we actually cutting off any supply to China? Burma is still in Allied hands Not yet. But by the time the men have marched there I hope I will have!
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  I send a small force to start gobbling up the smaller islands.  The invasion of Celebes continues.  We hit Bataan once more.  We strike another ship just off Pearl.  We still have a few small Chinese forces to clean up.  Another day of fighting at Amoy.  Not much to say today.  Only one ship kill – but the Kido Butai is on its way back now!
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8kt type C1-B. There'll probably be a few more of them before the war is out.
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You keep popping ships just outside Pearl Harbour, and yet no one seems inclined to try and stop you. What the hell is the AI doing? 
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Feb 14, 2016 19:02
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Mikl posted:You keep popping ships just outside Pearl Harbour, and yet no one seems inclined to try and stop you. What the hell is the AI doing? Small fish in a big ocean
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Feb 14, 2016 19:13
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How sophisticated is the AI in WitP? Does it actually have some level of strategic planning, or is it more just shuffling troops and ships around until it breaks you by force of production numbers?
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Fuligin posted:How sophisticated is the AI in WitP? Does it actually have some level of strategic planning, or is it more just shuffling troops and ships around until it breaks you by force of production numbers? The AI is not sophisticated at all. It runs off a series of scripts that are pretty inflexible. For example, if you turn an objective that the AI is scripted to take into a death-trap, instead of increasing the forces required to take it, or simply go around it, the AI will just feed forces into that objective piecemeal. The best way to play the AI as the allies is simply to let it take everything it wants through mid 42 so that it can achieve it's historical gains, and only then begin to fight back. For the Japanese, you don't have to worry about breaking the Allied AI as much, but it still won't "react" in the way we would expect a modern AI would.
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I want to say that there are several different scripting "paths" that the AI can take that are randomly assigned when you start a game (ie: sometimes the AI will load a set of scripts that follow historical strategy, some that prioritize different islands/theaters/whatever, etc.). But yeah, AI scripting in WITP is best exemplified by Grey's Eniwetok meat grinder in the last game.
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How come Grey Hunter hasn't outright won the battle at Amoy? It looks like his adjusted AV is more than twice the Allies the past two days and it doesn't seem like there's any forts in play. Yet, there's nothing about units retreating or being destroyed in that screenshot.
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