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Koalas March posted:Same. Or Colleen. Still waiting for Colleen and Misty to get their due. Give me Daughters of the Dragon!! Luke Cage had a really "home" feeling to me as someone who grew up in the city and spent a ton of time uptown (Washington Heights, but not unfamiliar with Harlem). Its weird because there's so many shows that are filmed in NYC and I can recognize places and neighborhoods but I don't get that feeling. But Cage really captured that something.
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Cage was half of a decent show I don't know why they felt the need to cram 3 villains in there though. Villains are better if we get to follow them and see them grow in an arc as well... Cottonmouth was enough. Then they kill him halfway through?? Like, who even comes up with something that stupid
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Bust Rodd posted:LoL the only OBJECTIVE truth about JJ is "It stars a woman and focuses on women's issues". Dude. Luke does NOT bone. He "goes out for coffee".
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STAC Goat posted:Luke Cage had a really "home" feeling to me as someone who grew up in the city and spent a ton of time uptown (Washington Heights, but not unfamiliar with Harlem). Its weird because there's so many shows that are filmed in NYC and I can recognize places and neighborhoods but I don't get that feeling. But Cage really captured that something. Yes, that's precisely it. It's something I didn't even realized I picked up on until these last few posts. Harlem in the show feels like people actually *live* there and call it home. It's a rare show where the neighborhood feels like a living, breathing character itself.
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Sep 21, 2017 18:54
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One thing I noticed from the trailer: This is gonna be a pretty bright show. I hope that's not just really frontloaded but there's a good deal of events taking place in either the AM or like three in the afternoon.
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:At least the tone and lyrics have a similar theme to Punisher. Better than a car company using "Born in the USA" over truck footage. Don't get me wrong - "One" hits my sweet spot and I thought the trailer was great. It's just that the song is not quite about the thing it was asserted to be about.
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Sep 21, 2017 22:33
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Lurdiak posted:I just wish they'd leaned a bit more into social commentary. There were some pretty blatant moments, but the show seemed afraid to just come out and say words like "institutionalized racism".
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Sep 21, 2017 22:56
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achillesforever6 posted:Or that dumb scene where they try to get a townhall meeting to turn people's opinion on Cage and to arm the cops with super bullets Yeah, that was one of the least believable things, even in a setting with magic ninjas. "Luke Cage is a super-thug. Let's give the police way more discretional authority and arm them with hosed up explosive military tech specifically to target him, are you with me Harlem?!"
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Sep 22, 2017 00:01
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The strangest part of the story where a failing politician tries to campaign on bullshit police militarization "law and order" against an accused black man is that the viral cop video made the cops look like the victims.
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Zzulu posted:Cage was half of a decent show I think if Cottonmouth had lasted the whole season, Diamondback could have been a good reason to draw the audience to a second season, as people would be curious to meet this guy who pulls all the strings behind the scenes but never shows himself. So yeah, killing off Cottonmouth halfway was a terrible decision.
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Xealot posted:Yeah, that was one of the least believable things, even in a setting with magic ninjas. "Luke Cage is a super-thug. Let's give the police way more discretional authority and arm them with hosed up explosive military tech specifically to target him, are you with me Harlem?!" Giving the cops ridiculous military gear to deal with the black menace is a thing that happens regularly. If there was a Bulletproof black man in our society right now there would be hicks and poo poo lining up to get a shot in on him. I don't even want to think about the police/military response.
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The criticism isn't that the police militarization is implausible in and of itself, it's that it was being sold to Harlem which is exactly the usual business end of said militarization. Maybe they were trying to make a point about fear and prejudice being easy to succumb to when you're on the other side of it or something.
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Shoulda been a white guy selling it to a bunch of other white guys. But that might've been too political. I also feel like that really weird scene where Misty's superior is all "You shoulda trusted the system! The cops are the good guys!" was really at odds with the tone of the show.
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RareAcumen posted:One thing I noticed from the trailer: This is gonna be a pretty bright show. I hope that's not just really frontloaded but there's a good deal of events taking place in either the AM or like three in the afternoon. That’s just the trailer. Punisher filmed a million billion scenes at night
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Lurdiak posted:Shoulda been a white guy selling it to a bunch of other white guys. But that might've been too political. Yeah, I said the same thing too when Luke Cage was the newest airing thing on Netflix. "You shoulda trusted the system! The cops are the good guys!" -said not 20 minutes after her new partner tried to kill her because he was on Cottonmouth's payroll. theflyingexecutive posted:That’s just the trailer. Punisher filmed a million billion scenes at night Yeah, I meant to say that I hope all those scenes weren't just frontloaded in the trailer. Either way, it hopefully means we won't have the issue of darkness that plagued
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RareAcumen posted:Yeah, I said the same thing too when Luke Cage was the newest airing thing on Netflix. "You shoulda trusted the system! The cops are the good guys!" -said not 20 minutes after her new partner tried to kill her because he was on Cottonmouth's payroll. Or a show where in a previous connected series half the police department including the special forces teams was working directly for Kingpin and the second he gets to jail he already has all the prison staff on his payroll. Or the fact that apparently the system has been controlled by the ninja Illuminati for thousands of years. Netflix Marvel is kind of all over the place since it can't decide if it wants police and the system to be both more and less corrupt that reality and switches back and forth constantly.
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Koalas March posted:Giving the cops ridiculous military gear to deal with the black menace is a thing that happens regularly. If there was a Bulletproof black man in our society right now there would be hicks and poo poo lining up to get a shot in on him. I don't even want to think about the police/military response. People are complaining that it was really bad writing that the residents of Harlem would cheer for giving the police even more weaponry to crackdown on them. Pretty sure this was after that the police were harassing them even harder and looking for Luke Cage.
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I'm going to re-watch Luke Cage because it was fun and awesome in spite of the corniness of Diamondback.
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I thought the sequence of events was, rally to up-arm the cops because Luke is a scary bulletproof badass and then the cops started harrassing everyone. Like the commentary was about how counterproductive it was for both sides. The people give in to fear and pay for it with it indiscriminate harrassment and the police piss away all their goodwill by abusing the additional leeway they've been given. Maybe my memory's failing me here though.
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Radish posted:Or a show where in a previous connected series half the police department including the special forces teams was working directly for Kingpin and the second he gets to jail he already has all the prison staff on his payroll. Or the fact that apparently the system has been controlled by the ninja Illuminati for thousands of years. Netflix Marvel is kind of all over the place since it can't decide if it wants police and the system to be both more and less corrupt that reality and switches back and forth constantly. To be fair, he did have to build up getting the prison staff in his pocket. The police, journalists, SWAT, bagmen, assassins lawyers and drug runners were all long established though. Q_res posted:I thought the sequence of events was, rally to up-arm the cops because Luke is a scary bulletproof badass and then the cops started harrassing everyone. Nah, I'm pretty sure it started with a police officer freaking out after Scarfe was murdered and throwing some black teenager around an interrogation room and then police going out on the streets of Harlem like a bunch of Fear Gas hopped up circus strongmen. And then Mariah holds a meeting for the community to trust in the police after they'd just been through them having practiced their dribbling with people's faces. RareAcumen fucked around with this message at 15:09 on Sep 22, 2017 |
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Mariah probably packed the crowd with people who would cheer for anything she said.
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docbeard posted:Mariah probably packed the crowd with people who would cheer for anything she said. Not only that, but never underestimate the power of coonery. Especially in older people. A lot of aspects of white supremacy are ingrained in black people too, sadly. Remember that black people supported the crazy measures the government took during the crack epidemic. Measures that were used to specifically target other black people. If you guys are interested in things like this, go forth and check out Negrotown!
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:People are complaining that it was really bad writing that the residents of Harlem would cheer for giving the police even more weaponry to crackdown on them. Yes, this was my point. If Mariah was pitching this to a white suburb in Westchester, nobody would bat an eye.
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I wonder what kind of freaks they're going to bring out to fight Frank, since he doesn't have superpowers beyond his unwavering conviction to murder and the will to keep going even after having his foot drilled through. Matt had ninjas and zombie ninjas. Luke had the alien metal bullets Jessica had a druggie And Danny's greatest weakness was anyone who imitated a single move from an episode of Power Rangers.
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Koalas March posted:Not only that, but never underestimate the power of coonery. Especially in older people. A lot of aspects of white supremacy are ingrained in black people too, sadly. the power of what now
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RareAcumen posted:I wonder what kind of freaks they're going to bring out to fight Frank, since he doesn't have superpowers beyond his unwavering conviction to murder and the will to keep going even after having his foot drilled through. From what's been said/leaked, Frank will have mercenaries. A Blackwater-style PMC is apparently the main antagonist group.
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mastershakeman posted:the power of what now Coon is a term that us black people (especially those of us involved in social justice) use to refer to other black people who support or perpetuate white supremacy. If you have questions about this, go to Negrotown. See also: hotep, ankh nigga
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RareAcumen posted:I wonder what kind of freaks they're going to bring out to fight Frank, since he doesn't have superpowers beyond his unwavering conviction to murder and the will to keep going even after having his foot drilled through. Grim Jawed Soldier Man will fight against other Grim Jawed Soldier Mans! Tune in to find out who wins... GRIM JAWED SOLIDER MAN WINS
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HIJK posted:Grim Jawed Soldier Man will fight against other Grim Jawed Soldier Mans! Tune in to find out who wins... poo poo, why not NUKE?
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Cythereal posted:From what's been said/leaked, Frank will have mercenaries. A Blackwater-style PMC is apparently the main antagonist group. Which will probably be in some way connect to The Hand
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Davros1 posted:Which will probably be in some way connect to The Hand Probably, but setup seems to be more that the PMC is connected to the CIA. Jigsaw runs the PMC and was apparently the guy in charge of whatever happened in Iraq.
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That Mariah scene is still the funniest thing ever. "The police need to stop beating our black brothers in the streets!" Yeah! "And people like Luke Cage are making us collateral damage!" Yeah! "So let's arm the police with even more powerful weapons!" Yeah! Wait, what?
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Narcissus1916 posted:That Mariah scene is still the funniest thing ever. I mean that has literally worked before sooooooo.
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Yeah, that's the point where I disagree with the criticism. What Mariah did and what was written was just a basic political tactic and you could find countless real world examples of it working. It doesn't mean the whole of Harlem turned on Luke Cage (and most of the other things that happened showed most people hadn't). It meant a somewhat charismatic politician put together a successful rally to distract from her corruption/criminal scandal with fear and mongering "law and order" tactics. Harlem and black people aren't immune from that poo poo. Go back and see what they thought of the Clinton crime bill and war on drugs in the 90s.
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If there was one thing I really wanted from Luke Cage, it was a scene where he and Misty are at a precinct and some random cop makes an off color comment about black on black crime and they just turn to him and shred him verbally and then like throws him out a window for being an idiot. Sigh
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Thematically it made zero sense to burn through Cottonmouth that early, if anything having him die in the season finale instead of ep (6,7?) to Mariah would have been way more impactful. Sure it was a great moment, but everything after that goes downhill in a massive way.
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I think Mariah's story is still pretty solid. The big drawback of the later half is Diamondback.
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The Hand > Diamondback. I said it.
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Field Mousepad posted:That short film on YouTube is pretty good. Dirty laundry I think it was called? Punisher 89 with Dolph Lundgren is great but it's a very 80s action movie with requisite weirdness. It has an unemployed alcoholic actor informant named Shakes that speaks in iambic pentameter, and Louis Gossett Jr. using homophobia to escape from mobsters then stealing their pizza on the way out. Also, the character in the comics was different back then, he was a lot more Catholic and refused to wear body armor for some reason. Some of that is reflected. Xealot posted:They will not do this. I'm preparing for 6 different scenes of, "you can't keep *killing* people, Frank!!" *Frank kills more people.* That could be pretty entertaining. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya8Kxu4Aseg&t=10s
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