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A big flaming stink posted:How much the 12post *need* a candelabra? The blue/green one needs it a lot more than the green one. I've run it without them plenty, and I own a playset. e: my monogreen was pretty much this list: http://sales.starcitygames.com/deckdatabase/displaydeck.php?DeckID=65245 but replace kozilek and an all is dust with Ugins, and swap out a crop rot, into the north, and top for 3 ancient stirrings, and ulamog becomes newlamog. Sigma-X fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Feb 15, 2016 |
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:$600 depending on size of print run $300-350.
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Feb 15, 2016 22:27
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Sigma-X posted:The blue/green one needs it a lot more than the green one. I've run it without them plenty, and I own a playset. Does Magus of the Candelabra work as a substitute for it anywhere at all?
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Feb 15, 2016 22:31
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Lightning Lord posted:Does Magus of the Candelabra work as a substitute for it anywhere at all? Not being able to activate on the turn it ETBs and dying to removal are pretty significant drawbacks.
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Feb 15, 2016 22:35
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UberJew posted:i need something to accompany my guay prints on the wall and can't decide between nielsen's swords, mother of runes or enter the infinite Nyx-fleece Ram.
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Feb 15, 2016 22:37
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Lightning Lord posted:Does Magus of the Candelabra work as a substitute for it anywhere at all? No, it's poo poo and not playable. Candle isn't a necessary function for the deck, it speeds it up by a turn or two which isn't typically critical. Not being able to use it the turn you cast it negates most of the function because it's a removal magnet. You don't run many creatures in the deck anyways, so you're typically getting a primetime for 2 lands and then losing it to StP, Ulamog is vindicate + gain life off their StP, etc. In the monogreen version you have redundant ramp in the GSZs and into the norths, plus the ability to drop a forest to make it to turn 2 with a mana available, and you have pithing needles for wasteland, so you aren't typically being put back a turn. The blue version forgoes a lot of this redundancy and inevitability and resistance to wasteland in favor of trying to awkwardly jam force of will into the deck. I've played both versions and while it is a lot of fun to SnT primetime into a billion mana, the monogreen version seems to play much more reliably at the disadvantage of having a sideboard almost completely devoted to hating out combo. I already posted the monogreen list which is the list anyone who doesn't already own candles should be running. u/g is not necessarily better and it's waaay more expensive, and trying to make a budget version of that instead of running the already-budget green version is a waste of effort.
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Feb 15, 2016 22:47
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Kilo147 posted:No P9 in eternal masters? Even MTGO got a P9 reprint. loving lame. There's no reserved list on modo ding dong
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Feb 15, 2016 22:55
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Elyv posted:Not being able to activate on the turn it ETBs and dying to removal are pretty significant drawbacks. I figured but I've been considering putting it in an EDH deck 
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Feb 15, 2016 23:00
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Literally The Worst posted:There's no reserved list on modo ding dong Huh, didn't actually know that. Which makes it even more rubbish.
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Feb 15, 2016 23:00
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Kilo147 posted:Huh, didn't actually know that. Which makes it even more rubbish. Yeap, you aren't "printing" new cards on MODO.
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Feb 15, 2016 23:08
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Here's a fun thing to speculate about: With Diamond Mana a thing now, they could hypothetically do typed duals that also tap for (<>) to get around the Reserved List's similarity clause.
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Feb 15, 2016 23:11
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Chamale posted:Here's a fun thing to speculate about : With Diamond Mana a thing now, they could hypothetically do typed duals that also tap for (<>) to get around the Reserved List's similarity clause. But they won't. The spirit of the list is a thing they consider, stupidly.
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Feb 15, 2016 23:12
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Chamale posted:Here's a fun thing to speculate about : With Diamond Mana a thing now, they could hypothetically do typed duals that also tap for (<>) to get around the Reserved List's similarity clause. They don't do loopholes and that would be strictly better, another thing they really don't like to do much
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Feb 15, 2016 23:13
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Kilo147 posted:Huh, didn't actually know that. Which makes it even more rubbish. The point of the list is to not gently caress with the value of certain cards. Modo does not affect those cards because nothing is actually being printed. This is only rubbish if you're dumb.
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Feb 15, 2016 23:28
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Please tell me someone has already tattooed that on their head.
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Feb 15, 2016 23:28
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So there's zero reason for me not to just sell my Death and Taxes deck (or at least the manabase) and pick it back up once Eternal Masters is released, yeah?
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muon posted:So there's zero reason for me not to just sell my Death and Taxes deck (or at least the manabase) and pick it back up once Eternal Masters is released, yeah? Uh, have fun with that if they don't reprint Karakas and/or Port.
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Feb 16, 2016 00:03
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Yea but they seem like pretty easy includes. I might but into DnT on mtgo without the ports and wasteland and see what happens.
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Feb 16, 2016 00:05
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TheLawinator posted:Yea but they seem like pretty easy includes. I might but into DnT on mtgo without the ports and wasteland and see what happens. Port is almost an auto-include because it's the most expensive card on MTGO but I'd be surprised by Karakas.
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Feb 16, 2016 00:07
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suicidesteve posted:Uh, have fun with that if they don't reprint Karakas and/or Port.
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Feb 16, 2016 00:08
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suicidesteve posted:Uh, have fun with that if they don't reprint Karakas and/or Port. I'll probably keep a playset of Karkasi as I'm a dumbass and have 7, but it seems pretty likely to be reprinted.
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Feb 16, 2016 00:19
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Port at anything less than Mythic has a really good chance of loving with Limited doesn't it?
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Feb 16, 2016 00:25
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TheKingofSprings posted:Port at anything less than Mythic has a really good chance of loving with Limited doesn't it? It'd PROBABLY be okay at Rare. I mean would you take it over a good piece of removal pick one pack one?
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Feb 16, 2016 00:49
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Karakas will certainly be Mythic if it's in the set, which means the price is not likely to decline much if at all. Port could go either way.
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Feb 16, 2016 00:50
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anglachel posted:It'd PROBABLY be okay at Rare. I mean would you take it over a good piece of removal pick one pack one? loving yes. I take the 50 dollar card over a lightning bolt every day. Especially at an FNM draft.
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Feb 16, 2016 00:55
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:Karakas will certainly be Mythic if it's in the set, which means the price is not likely to decline much if at all. Port could go either way. I still don't understand this. Why? It's a slightly better Plains in most games of limited. Why do people think it will be mythic, value aside?
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Feb 16, 2016 00:57
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Chain Lightning seems like a decent shot as well.
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Feb 16, 2016 00:58
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suicidesteve posted:I still don't understand this. Why? It's a slightly better Plains in most games of limited. Why do people think it will be mythic, value aside? Because FoW is mythic because gently caress you that's why.
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Feb 16, 2016 00:58
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suicidesteve posted:I still don't understand this. Why? It's a slightly better Plains in most games of limited. Why do people think it will be mythic, value aside? I would wager that a set like Eternal Masters will have a higher than average amount of legendary creatures.
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Feb 16, 2016 00:59
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Errant Gin Monks posted:loving yes. I take the 50 dollar card over a lightning bolt every day. Especially at an FNM draft. Well I mean if we are talking about how this card "effects the limited environment" then we have to pretend we won't all just rare draft all day everyday Masters products.
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Feb 16, 2016 00:59
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anglachel posted:Well I mean if we are talking about how this card "effects the limited environment" then we have to pretend we won't all just rare draft all day everyday Masters products. Yeah I can't pretend that. My mind won't allow to pass up a real legacy card for a murderous cut even in fantasy situations. Rare draft and if they say redraft walk the gently caress out with my rishadan port and fistful of garbage.
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Feb 16, 2016 01:01
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Errant Gin Monks posted:Because FoW is mythic because gently caress you that's why. That is not why actually
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Think its it worth it to bite the bullet on Jace, Vryn's Prodigy now when they're $80-ish?
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Literally The Worst posted:That is not why actually It actually is. They/you can say whatever they/you want but reprinting an uncommon at mythic translates to "gently caress you."
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Errant Gin Monks posted:It actually is. They/you can say whatever they/you want but reprinting an uncommon at mythic translates to "gently caress you." Also Karakas is hideously unfun to play with/against if either player has legendaries.
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sarmhan posted:No, it really doesn't. Yes, it really does. Give me one GOOD reason that FoW would be mythic in a limited print reprint only set that costs 2.5 times what a regular pack costs.
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I expect that the cards reprinted at rare will bring their single prices down considerably, those reprinted at mythic will stay about the same, and cards on the reserved list are going to go up uP UP because now the mtgfinance cabal knows without a doubt that Wizards will never have the balls to abolish the reserved list.
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Feb 16, 2016 01:09
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Errant Gin Monks posted:Yes, it really does. Give me one GOOD reason that FoW would be mythic in a limited print reprint only set that costs 2.5 times what a regular pack costs.
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Feb 16, 2016 01:09
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Errant Gin Monks posted:It actually is. They/you can say whatever they/you want but reprinting an uncommon at mythic translates to "gently caress you." You mean the uncommon that they've said would be at least a rare by current standards? Which is getting printed in a set that will presumably contain modern power level cards? Yeah I can't think of why they might not print that at UC clearly it's just spite
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Errant Gin Monks posted:It actually is. They/you can say whatever they/you want but reprinting an uncommon at mythic translates to "gently caress you." You know what else was an uncommon that nobody whined about being reprinted as a mythic? Sol Ring. Because it has a HUGE impact on the game. I don't know if you noticed but old WotC didn't exactly know what rarity cards should be. Tinker, for example, is one of the most broken cards of all time and is uncommon.
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