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apologies in advance, but i will continue to die on the hill that the first season was utter hot garbage. i legit don't understand how people who are fans of the simpsons like that season as almost nothing that people actually like about the simpsons is even recognizable. i think season 2 is pretty bad as well, but at least it improved enough that i can give it a pass. but season 1? 
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All the “Bart’s imagination” segments in S1 (like the math train nightmare in Bart the Genius, or monster Nelson in Bart the General) were super cool and way out there animation-wise Then they just stopped doing that
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Jan 25, 2021 00:42
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Mr Interweb posted:apologies in advance, but i will continue to die on the hill that the first season was utter hot garbage. i legit don't understand how people who are fans of the simpsons like that season as almost nothing that people actually like about the simpsons is even recognizable. i think season 2 is pretty bad as well, but at least it improved enough that i can give it a pass. but season 1? I like season 1, but admittedly I haven't watched it in years. I remember watching the episodes when they originally aired when I was a kid though, so there's a ton of nostalgia involved.
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Jan 25, 2021 00:44
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Eh! Frank posted:I like season 1, but admittedly I haven't watched it in years. I remember watching the episodes when they originally aired when I was a kid though, so there's a ton of nostalgia involved. Complete unrelated but I hate the song your avatar is from. Like, vehemently detest it. Also in every interview ever, cyriak seems like the world's biggest wanker. I still like his animation but good lord. I just had to say that. Carry on.
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Jan 25, 2021 00:47
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AHH F/UGH posted:Complete unrelated but I hate the song your avatar is from. Like, vehemently detest it. Also in every interview ever, cyriak seems like the world's biggest wanker. I still like his animation but good lord. Sparks are a really love em/hate em kind of band, they ride that thin line between catchy and annoying. They're one of my favorite bands, but even then I can't listen to them if I'm in a crabby mood, like if I'm stuck in traffic. Don't think I've ever seen any actual interviews with cyriak, but he's a goon so makes sense he'd be a huge wanker.
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Jan 25, 2021 00:55
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Edgar Wright was working on a Sparks documentary and put up a big playlist on Spotify. Thanks for reminding me to check when it comes out, looks like it's premiering at the end of the month.
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Jan 25, 2021 01:01
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Mr Interweb posted:apologies in advance, but i will continue to die on the hill that the first season was utter hot garbage. i legit don't understand how people who are fans of the simpsons like that season as almost nothing that people actually like about the simpsons is even recognizable. i think season 2 is pretty bad as well, but at least it improved enough that i can give it a pass. but season 1? There's nothing wrong with not liking season 1. It's your opinion. The strongest episodes really do have it, and it's interesting to watch the show grow. Look at Krusty Gets Busted. You have a well plotted story with lots of good little jokes. You have the fantastic Kelsey Grammar playing Bob to perfection. You have some creative choices like starting each act with a giant face. The show found its footing. There's a lot of sharp writing. Take Homer's Odyssey after Homer gets the stop sign installed - "they're wrong if they think I'm going to stop at that sign!" It's really clever. But it is also rough. It has some pacing choices. Too many episodes rely on Homer and Marge being on the skids. But by the end, they got there.
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Jan 25, 2021 01:20
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S1 Simpsons is rough but it's infinitely more watchable than the last seventeen years of the show.
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Jan 25, 2021 01:24
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:No there's no good reason ever why you should go with "rejected Pelswick designs" as your art style. I had to look this up because it sounded familiar. It turns out that I did actually watch some of it, but thought they were episodes of John Callahan's other cartoon, Quads!
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Jan 25, 2021 01:29
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Detective No. 27 posted:S1 Simpsons is rough but it's infinitely more watchable than the last seventeen years of the show. Yeah, in the overall season-by-season rankings, S1 would probably now end up somewhere in the lower end of the top half.
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Jan 25, 2021 01:30
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Season 1 is really good. I will always defend it. As the previous poster said, it's miles above modern Simpsons, but I also think its stories, jokes, and its utter weirdness as it tried to find its footing puts it up there with any other classic Simpsons season. I used to think it wasn't as good, but I did a rewatch of season one a year or so ago and it was so much better than I thought.
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Jan 25, 2021 01:31
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Season 1 is bad but fascinating in a way.
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Jan 25, 2021 01:45
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As a standalone, S1 is ok to good, definitely not perfect. But it is incredibly difficult to overstate how important S1 is in terms of shattering the standard sitcom norms, especially as an animated prime-time program that wasn't made for babies or kids. S1 gets a really bad rap because of comparisons to the improved S2 and the sublime S3-S8 that followed. Of course it's going to look bad compared to those, but for 1989-1990, it was incredible. In hindsight, its janky as gently caress and weird as mentioned earlier, but it's got its own charm. gently caress Some Enchanted Evening though, even after getting cleaned up and pushed to the end of the season, that ep is hot garbage through and through.
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Jan 25, 2021 01:52
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Last Chance posted:Season 1 is really good. I will always defend it. As the previous poster said, it's miles above modern Simpsons, but I also think its stories, jokes, and its utter weirdness as it tried to find its footing puts it up there with any other classic Simpsons season. Yeah there’s absolutely a reason people saw it as like boundary pushing tv.
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Jan 25, 2021 01:54
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It does make me weirdly nostalgic in a way no other early season does. Krusty gets Busted is worth a watch.
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Jan 25, 2021 01:54
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it's hard to overstate how conservative network TV was when the Simpsons started. lots of things that we think of as normal TV fare would've been completely unthinkable, and the fact that it was a cartoon both gave it more freedom and less (won't someone think of the children). conservatives were outraged. GHW Bush insulted the show in a speech. at the same time, the show itself was more conservative. the first season is just a sitcom. the oafish father is in charge. the mother is caring and mostly passive. the girl is the voice of reason. the boy is... well, he's full of beans. also there is a baby. there is not yet any sign that one day Homer Simpson will get into a fistfight with a fighter pilot at the aquarium and that in that fistfight Homer will use starfish as throwing stars
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Jan 25, 2021 02:04
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Here's how bad The Simpsons is now, I was reading this thread before going to sleep and had a dream about a new episode where Bart wore some Jnco jeans to school and discovered to his horror that there was zero crotch bulge and the girls were laughing at him for having a tiny dick and he spends the rest of the episode trying to prove otherwise. So I woke up and had to google "bart simpson jnco jeans" to see if I dreamt it up or whether I was remembering a post in this thread.
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Jan 25, 2021 12:16
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No I remember that episode as well. Around Season 25ish iirc
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Jan 25, 2021 12:27
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Now we're just living that South park episode
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Jan 25, 2021 13:13
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Listen to the commentary on the DVDs, they have really great stuff about visual experiments that didn't go anywhere and design in general. One concept was that any character who wasn't in the scene was going to appear in pictures in the background.
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Jan 26, 2021 22:02
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Anyone have an archive of the commentaries or do I need to get my hands on the dvds again and break out handbrake?
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Jan 26, 2021 22:16
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https://youtu.be/39t7TQ2mymA (Skip to 5:44:48 for a rapid-fire list of hundreds of episode titles which are definitely made up) emgeejay fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Jan 26, 2021 |
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Jan 26, 2021 22:22
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emgeejay posted:https://youtu.be/39t7TQ2mymA No Here's the synopsis of his worst ranked episode, Love is a Many-Strangled Thing from Season 17. quote:After saving Mr. Burns' life, Homer wins tickets to a NFL game between the Springfield Atoms and the Miami Dolphins, and takes the whole family. During the game, everybody starts to dance in front of the screen, but Bart does not want to dance, saying "Everybody Dance Now" is 'a little bossy' for his liking. Homer tries to make him dance by tickling him, but he inadvertently humiliates Bart in front of the stadium crowd when he tickles Bart until he wets himself. To make matters worse, the stadium owners take pity on Bart and try to dry his shorts off by opening the roof, but Russian spy satellites capture the image of Bart with wet shorts, leading to widespread humiliation on the Internet, and an invasion by Russia, who see his urine-soaked shorts as a sign of American weakness. Second-worst: quote:The Simpsons are at a Little League Baseball game and Bart catches a fly ball, pushing the Springfield Isotopes into the championships. The next day, Marge is shopping at a department store, but Homer is tired and cannot find a place to sit - so he lies down on a mattress and falls asleep. When he wakes up, everybody is staring at him; he instantly exclaims his love for the mattress and manages to sell five. The store manager hires him as a mattress salesman. Third worst is the Lady Gaga one. PostNouveau fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Jan 26, 2021 |
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Jan 26, 2021 22:26
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PostNouveau posted:No ahaha. That sounds like it could have been funny up until the third paragraph when it suddenly takes one of those baffling rightward turns like we should have seen coming with stuff like the end of Sweet Seymour Skinner's Baadasssss Song when PRAYER IN A PUBLIC SCHOOL was seen to be a comically overblown thing to worry about
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Jan 26, 2021 22:34
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The mattress plot was ripped off of a Family Guy episode.
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Jan 26, 2021 22:36
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Didn't watch any of that video but the guy seems biased against the mean-spirited Simpsons episodes because he has Kill Gill in 4th worst and that one was alright especially for a later season episode and 5th worst is Homer Simpsons in Kidney Trouble which is a Season 10 one!
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Jan 26, 2021 22:41
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I think people hate Kidney Trouble because it's one of the earliest episodes in the downturn period where Homer is just an unrepentant arsehole for little to no reason, and the ball just rolled on from there for years. I definitely remember seeing many episodes that I thought were worse, not that it's good. I think I saw Kill Gil once and thought it was bad, but perhaps not outstandingly bad. I don't think I've actually ever seen the complete episodes of the top three, but they're so infamous that I'm aware of them being particularly awful.
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Jan 26, 2021 23:12
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Looking back, it's definitely one of the earlier glimpses of Jerk-rear end Homer.
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Jan 26, 2021 23:20
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Kidney Trouble would definitely have been my pick for the worst episode ever at the time it aired. Nowadays I don't think it would make the bottom 50. There's some decent gags in the first act at least.
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Jan 26, 2021 23:29
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J-Spot posted:Kidney Trouble would definitely have been my pick for the worst episode ever at the time it aired. Nowadays I don't think it would make the bottom 50. There's some decent gags in the first act at least. Looking at the episode list, there are a few competitors imo: When You Dish Upon a Star, The Trouble with Trillions, Lisa the Simpson (controversial inclusion but I was never a fan of it), All Singing All Dancing and Another Simpsons Clip Show if they count... It's definitely up there though, considering that it was the 211th episode. Hedgehog Pie fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Jan 27, 2021 |
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Jan 26, 2021 23:38
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Some Enchanted Evening gave us this clip and it's so smooth and well-timed that I forgive whatever else is in that episode.
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Jan 27, 2021 00:01
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Das Boo posted:Some Enchanted Evening gave us this clip and it's so smooth and well-timed that I forgive whatever else is in that episode. It's a good bit, and Penny Marshall was great as Ms Botz. It's almost certainly the worst episode of season 1 (though I'm not a big fan of Homer's Night Out either) but there are little things that stopped me from listing it in my post above.
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Jan 27, 2021 00:07
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PostNouveau posted:No Are you sure these are actually episodes? Like, these are real? These plots sound terribly fake and I can't believe someone would actually write them.
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Jan 27, 2021 00:07
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Cemetry Gator posted:Are you sure these are actually episodes? Like, these are real? These plots sound terribly fake and I can't believe someone would actually write them. Copy-and-pasted right off Wikipedia. I remember the one with Bart jumping off the water tower.
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Jan 27, 2021 00:14
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Das Boo posted:Some Enchanted Evening gave us this clip and it's so smooth and well-timed that I forgive whatever else is in that episode. In some ways they were pretty ambitious with the animation in that episode and I feel like it largely didn't work, but that scene is pretty good.
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Jan 27, 2021 00:45
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Hedgehog Pie posted:Lisa the Simpson This episode is perfectly cromulent and you're out of your mind. poo poo, even the musical clip-show episode has that Paint Your Wagon bit. edogawa rando fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Jan 27, 2021 |
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Jan 27, 2021 00:58
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Das Boo posted:Some Enchanted Evening gave us this clip and it's so smooth and well-timed that I forgive whatever else is in that episode. My favorite part is that her animation is so good, you don't notice bart is almost only one drawing
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Jan 27, 2021 00:59
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Cemetry Gator posted:Are you sure these are actually episodes? Like, these are real? These plots sound terribly fake and I can't believe someone would actually write them.
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