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tuyop posted:Ah so you believe that anti-racism and feminism are ideologies rather than the state of the art resulting from rigorous work in the social sciences (informed in part by activism, of course). Interesting. What does this even mean.
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i mean they are by definition ideologies yeah. thats what words mean. whether the ideas they hold to be true are actually true is immaterial - their truth does not prevent them from having a perverting effect on science by predisposing the experimenter towards results that confirm said ideology i dont know what the rest of your post means because its self-righteous word salad
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Nov 4, 2019 02:49
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They’re theories. Like gravity or evolution. Is gravity also an ideology?
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i also like your definition of "rigorous" that doesn't preclude "failing to replicate 2/3rds of the time"
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tuyop posted:They’re theories. Like gravity or evolution. Is gravity also an ideology? man have you even read popper e: to be less flippant: i know this became a popular refrain after the creationist debates of the mid-2000s, but gravity is not a theory, it's an observable phenomenon. we in fact don't have a working theory of gravity. evolution isn't a theory either; it's also an observable phenomenon. specific models of evolution, like Gould's contingency or basic Darwinian 'survival of the fittest', are theories, but the basic fact that organisms change over time is not. any rate, "anti-racism" is not a "theory" in the way that you're suggesting evolution is a theory: it is clearly and explicitly a political stance - an ideology - having as its goal the accomplishment of socio-political ends. that those ends are noble and correct does not change that fact. i namedropped popper because attempting to make nonconforming data fit existent theories is, in fact, a recurring issue in science, but that's irrelevant because it's not what we're discussing here chernobyl kinsman fucked around with this message at 03:14 on Nov 4, 2019 |
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Yeah I read popper but I couldn’t replicate any of his experiments so it’s prob bullshit.
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tuyop posted:Ah so you believe that anti-racism and feminism are ideologies rather than the state of the art resulting from rigorous work in the social sciences (informed in part by activism, of course). This is very odd
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The conclusion to draw from social sciences broadly failing to conform to the ideas of scientific procedure and purity of scientific facts (or rather, it fails to produce results shoehorned into that setting) is an indictment of the current ideas of science, not an indictment of spending time and money on rational efforts to understand the human condition. Feyerabend was right. e: "Against Method" is the recommendation. All should be taken a bit tongue in cheek, didn't realize what thread I was helping derail. Cybernetic Vermin fucked around with this message at 15:18 on Nov 4, 2019 |
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Nov 4, 2019 15:08
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tuyop posted:Ah so you believe that anti-racism and feminism are ideologies rather than the state of the art resulting from rigorous work in the social sciences (informed in part by activism, of course). Interesting. tuyop posted:They’re theories. Like gravity or evolution. Is gravity also an ideology?
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Nov 4, 2019 17:55
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The programmers of my solipsistic simulation are really high today.
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Nov 4, 2019 18:17
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So has anyone recommended Mary Roach's Boink to OP yet? I got distracted by the Popper reference, and went into catatonic shock remembering the second half of his book's descent into symbolic logic *shudders*
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I usually read non fiction, but I’m in the mood for some modern techno thrillers. Are there any books that A) are Democrat/leftist friendly, or at least not completely right-wing B) deal with a resurgent Russia and destabilized west Or C) deal with future wars caused by climate change / resource wars? While I wait for an answer, I’m gonna re-read Larry Bond’s Vortex, which involves a fascist South African government invading Cuban-backed African nations. If I remember correctly, America steps in and beats everybody.
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Nov 14, 2019 08:04
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Looking for casual books about the philosophical failures of enlightenment, critiques of pure reason, how poo poo capitalism is, the ideas of Leo Straus and the ideas of Hannah Ardent. Anything out there that covers most of those bases?
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Nov 14, 2019 08:38
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LibCrusher posted:I usually read non fiction, but I’m in the mood for some modern techno thrillers. Are there any books that Snow Crash, anything by William Gibson after Neuromancer, anything by Paolo Bacigalupi, but particularly The Water Knife. Maybe the Earthseed series by Octavia Butler. Oryx and Crake by Atwood.
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tuyop posted:Snow Crash, anything by William Gibson after Neuromancer, anything by Paolo Bacigalupi, but particularly The Water Knife. Maybe the Earthseed series by Octavia Butler. Oryx and Crake by Atwood. I like Paolo Bacigalupi's work, and it sounds like a good fit for the recommend, but I feel like it should come with a content warning. His writing always seems to include an uncomfortable level of violence against women
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Nov 14, 2019 22:27
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all books should come with an ESRB or MPAA style rating so we know if theres anything bad in them
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Nov 14, 2019 23:55
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chernobyl kinsman posted:all books should come with an ESRB or MPAA style rating so we know if theres anything bad in them You would never be able to make out the title to Atlas Shrugged through all of that.
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tuyop posted:Snow Crash, anything by William Gibson after Neuromancer, anything by Paolo Bacigalupi, but particularly The Water Knife. Maybe the Earthseed series by Octavia Butler. Oryx and Crake by Atwood. I appreciate the recommendations, but in this context, Techno Thriller means dadbooks like Red storm rising and other Clancy crap.
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It's not "modern" -- it's 30 years old -- but maybe John Shirley's Eclipse trilogy might do for you? The premise is Europe being devastated by a non-nuclear war between the US and the Soviet Union; it was written just before the real Soviet Union went tits up. The US, sick of war and going through one of its isolationist spasms, can't be bothered with the work of rebuilding Europe and instead hands the job over to a PMC, the Second Alliance. The SA, however, is actually run by a cabal of lunatic right-wingers (is one of them a white South African? Of course!), who immediately get to work installing fascist-friendly governments and shuttling everyone who's not sufficiently white, straight, and/or Christian off to camps. The protagonists are mostly members of the New Resistance, fighting against the SA and trying to expose its crimes.
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Selachian posted:It's not "modern" -- it's 30 years old -- but maybe John Shirley's Eclipse trilogy might do for you? The premise is Europe being devastated by a non-nuclear war between the US and the Soviet Union; it was written just before the real Soviet Union went tits up. The US, sick of war and going through one of its isolationist spasms, can't be bothered with the work of rebuilding Europe and instead hands the job over to a PMC, the Second Alliance. The SA, however, is actually run by a cabal of lunatic right-wingers (is one of them a white South African? Of course!), who immediately get to work installing fascist-friendly governments and shuttling everyone who's not sufficiently white, straight, and/or Christian off to camps. The protagonists are mostly members of the New Resistance, fighting against the SA and trying to expose its crimes. That sounds really interesting, thanks! I’m kindling the first book now.
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LibCrusher posted:I’m kindling the first book now. Even if you don't like it you don't have to burn it 
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chernobyl kinsman posted:all books should come with an ESRB or MPAA style rating so we know if theres anything bad in them Unironically yes. Knowing there's graphic rape or child abuse in a book before reading it would help me out.
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StrixNebulosa posted:Unironically yes. Knowing there's graphic rape or child abuse in a book before reading it would help me out. You'd kinda have to put a start date of authorship on that, because (a) ain't no publisher got time to have someone go back and reread every book in their back catalog before putting it on kindle and (b) I'd rather not have every book before 2025 (or whenever) never available again because the publishing house didn't want to bother for anything other than their back catalog top 100. That disclaimer having been made, the idea is not completely insane although probably needs some more fleshing out.
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StrixNebulosa posted:Unironically yes. Knowing there's graphic rape or child abuse in a book before reading it would help me out. unironically gently caress off lol (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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chernobyl kinsman posted:unironically gently caress off lol Double unironically double gently caress off
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Imagining a huge “Warning: Child Abuse” sticker on my copy of Maxim Gorky’s My Childhood and LMAOing rn
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Take the plunge! Okay! posted:Imagining a huge “Warning: Child Abuse” sticker on my copy of Maxim Gorky’s My Childhood and LMAOing rn Sometimes I still think of the line "my mother kept hitting me on the head with a frying pan rather vigorously"*, sometimes I don't. *) No idea how the line is originally, or in English translations, but that's the gist of it anyway.
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Nov 15, 2019 11:42
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whats tipper gore up to these days
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Take the plunge! Okay! posted:Imagining a huge “Warning: Child Abuse” sticker on my copy of Maxim Gorky’s My Childhood and LMAOing rn Naw, we'll just get the Mormons to provide edited editions a la CleanFlicks.
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content warning: babyfucker by urs allemann contains highly sexualised language, suggestions of child rape and murder. reader beware
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Take the plunge! Okay! posted:Imagining a huge “Warning: Child Abuse” sticker on my copy of Maxim Gorky’s My Childhood and LMAOing rn IT by Stephen King Tagline: You liked the movie, now read the book. Content Warning: May contain child gang-bang.
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Impermanent posted:Double unironically double gently caress off nah man im gonna die on the hill that books should not be rated or have content warnings on them lol chernobyl kinsman fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Nov 15, 2019 |
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Nov 15, 2019 18:47
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writing TW: SUICIDE on copies of anna karenina
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ovid's metamorphoses rated NC-17 for depictions of sexual assault
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chernobyl kinsman posted:nah man im gonna die on the hill that books should not be rated or have content warnings on them lol Sure, but also, please don't tell people to gently caress off in the rec thread no matter how wrong you think they are, thanks.
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Nov 15, 2019 19:10
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chernobyl kinsman posted:writing TW: SUICIDE on copies of anna karenina
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Nov 15, 2019 19:24
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Nothing triggers assholes like politely requesting trigger warnings lol
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TW: no spoilertags!
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Nov 16, 2019 02:51
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Russians are way ahead of you  (the text inside the box in the bottom picture says: CONTAINS UNCENSORED SWEARING. this is also a book recommendation. read Zone by Dovlatov)
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Any preferences where to begin with Thomas Bernhard? I liked Heldenplatz a lot. Turns out Austria has a hosed up relation to nazism!?
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