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tarbrush
Feb 7, 2011

ALL ABOARD THE SCOTLAND HYPE TRAIN!

CHOO CHOO
RIP Oxide :(

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Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS
Wait, they've adjusted dissipation as well? Hahaha fucks sake, way to move the goalposts pgi. Didn't they argue a while ago that adjusting heat capacity and dissipation was a terrible idea because people might make heat neutral builds?

Tank Boy Ken
Aug 24, 2012
J4G for life
Fallen Rib

Fil5000 posted:

Wait, they've adjusted dissipation as well? Hahaha fucks sake, way to move the goalposts pgi. Didn't they argue a while ago that adjusting heat capacity and dissipation was a terrible idea because people might make heat neutral builds?

I think they're slowly moving towards the idea that heat neutral mechs aren't literally Star Shitizen.

Yolomon Wayne
Jun 10, 2014

You call it "The Big Bang", but what really happened is
Grimey Drawer
I cant... i dont even.

Brb, gotta tinker up some dual gauss/tripple ppc mechs.

e: gently caress the whole "xl on assaults" thing, i dont care. Behold your Crustacious Overlord. 60 pinpoint damage in 0.5 seconds. Good thing they reduced alpha damage.

Yolomon Wayne fucked around with this message at 07:59 on Aug 19, 2016

Yolomon Wayne
Jun 10, 2014

You call it "The Big Bang", but what really happened is
Grimey Drawer
I dont know how much Ghost Heat 2.0 you get for firing 35 damage, but if you only do it twice while waiting for the Gauss cooldown you might be fine.
(or do clan ppcs count as 15 cause they include splash?)

Gonna reconfigure my Shadowhawk too i guess.

Yolomon Wayne fucked around with this message at 08:12 on Aug 19, 2016

Tank Boy Ken
Aug 24, 2012
J4G for life
Fallen Rib

Yolomon Wayne posted:

I dont know how much Ghost Heat 2.0 you get for firing 35 damage, but if you only do it twice while waiting for the Gauss cooldown you might be fine.
(or do clan ppcs count as 15 cause they include splash?)

Gonna reconfigure my Shadowhawk too i guess.

Clan PPCs are 13.5 energy a piece.

EDIT
This system might actually be good for Mechs like the Nova / Gargoyle. 12 ER Smalls will now produce 15 additional heat. That's still a lot, but is a serious Alpha.

Tank Boy Ken fucked around with this message at 08:23 on Aug 19, 2016

Yolomon Wayne
Jun 10, 2014

You call it "The Big Bang", but what really happened is
Grimey Drawer

Tank Boy Ken posted:

Clan PPCs are 13.5 energy a piece.

Of course they have an arbitrarily imparctical value, why wouldnt they.

Gonna stay with inner sphere for stupidly funny PPCs then.
Tap left, then right, then sit back and cool down.

gently caress it all, im re-buying the MAL-2P

Yolomon Wayne fucked around with this message at 08:28 on Aug 19, 2016

Tank Boy Ken
Aug 24, 2012
J4G for life
Fallen Rib

Yolomon Wayne posted:

gently caress it all, im re-buying the MAL-2P

It's also possible to just say gently caress it and Alpha with that Mauler. Sure you'll eat 15 extra heat, but that's okay if you can move back into cover. Wonder if they'll increase the penalty over the threshold. You'd have eaten a 12.5 heat penalty under Ghost Heat Mk. I for firing 3 PPCs.

Yolomon Wayne
Jun 10, 2014

You call it "The Big Bang", but what really happened is
Grimey Drawer

Tank Boy Ken posted:

It's also possible to just say gently caress it and Alpha with that Mauler. Sure you'll eat 15 extra heat, but that's okay if you can move back into cover. Wonder if they'll increase the penalty over the threshold. You'd have eaten a 12.5 heat penalty under Ghost Heat Mk. I for firing 3 PPCs.

One does not simply move back into cover with a mauler though.

I feel clan will be more about pairing 1+1, like this or something, i dont know.

Yolomon Wayne
Jun 10, 2014

You call it "The Big Bang", but what really happened is
Grimey Drawer
Lol, Ghost Heat 2.0 just hit test servers but theres also an event this weekend?

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS

Yolomon Wayne posted:

Lol, Ghost Heat 2.0 just hit test servers but theres also an event this weekend?

In the old days they'd blame IGP for this.

Edit: vvvv Man, they loving HATE brawling.

Fil5000 fucked around with this message at 09:18 on Aug 19, 2016

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
The standard AC20 Atlas S shuts down after two alphas.

Ash Rose
Sep 3, 2011

Where is Megaman?

In queer, with us!
Man, are my thunderbolts about to be good again due to triple PPCs causing no ghost heat?

Yolomon Wayne
Jun 10, 2014

You call it "The Big Bang", but what really happened is
Grimey Drawer
Why, yes, i DO have 30% flat ballistic CD, why do you ask?

3 Tablets Daily
Jun 7, 2006

by Cyrano4747
I have a really simple solution for reducing TTK: add a smaller engine component to each torso with a correspondingly small hitbox. Keep shrinking that hitbox until you hit whatever average TTK you're looking for. Bonus points if every match ends with popsicles running around like headless chickens trying to avoid getting their engines shot out by the last guys on the other team who still have weapons.

Yolomon Wayne
Jun 10, 2014

You call it "The Big Bang", but what really happened is
Grimey Drawer
Are assaults still on sale?

This build looks stupid but might be Awesome with ghost heat 2.0 and
Energy Weapon Cooldown 10%
PPC Heat Generation -30%
Energy Weapon Heat Generation -15%
Energy Weapon Range 10%
PPC Velocity - 50%

Tank Boy Ken
Aug 24, 2012
J4G for life
Fallen Rib

Yolomon Wayne posted:

Why, yes, i DO have 30% flat ballistic CD, why do you ask?

I don't think the CN9-D will be uber. Considering what he has to compete with in his weight class. Ghost heat 2.0 will certainly shake things up in the current iteration.

Yolomon Wayne
Jun 10, 2014

You call it "The Big Bang", but what really happened is
Grimey Drawer

Tank Boy Ken posted:

I don't think the CN9-D will be uber. Considering what he has to compete with in his weight class. Ghost heat 2.0 will certainly shake things up in the current iteration.

He doesnt need to be uber, he needs to be fun.
He is fun now, and will be more fun once the gauss is point and click.

Im mostly excited about tripple PPCs though.

Because theres so many tripple-E hardpoints on mechs i like.

6x5 = 30, check. 3x10 = 30, check. Left click, right click, 60 damage? Check.PPC-Hammer

TjyvTompa
Jun 1, 2001

im gay
This weeks event is pretty cool, they have challenges for each of the weightclasses now:
https://mwomercs.com/tournaments?t=201608weight

tarbrush
Feb 7, 2011

ALL ABOARD THE SCOTLAND HYPE TRAIN!

CHOO CHOO

TjyvTompa posted:

This weeks event is pretty cool, they have challenges for each of the weightclasses now:
https://mwomercs.com/tournaments?t=201608weight

Fuuuuck, I'm away all weekend

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









Yolomon Wayne posted:

Are assaults still on sale?

This build looks stupid but might be Awesome with ghost heat 2.0 and
Energy Weapon Cooldown 10%
PPC Heat Generation -30%
Energy Weapon Heat Generation -15%
Energy Weapon Range 10%
PPC Velocity - 50%

i lold

I have an 8Q

Willfrey
Jul 20, 2007

Why don't the poors simply buy more money?
Fun Shoe

Cease to Hope posted:

The standard AC20 Atlas S shuts down after two alphas.

I quit

Yolomon Wayne
Jun 10, 2014

You call it "The Big Bang", but what really happened is
Grimey Drawer

Just replace the AC20 with the new AC15.

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011

Yolomon Wayne posted:

Just replace the AC20 with the new AC15.

I see no way in which your plan to jam a gauss rifle in the side torso of a brawler assault could possibly fail.

Yolomon Wayne
Jun 10, 2014

You call it "The Big Bang", but what really happened is
Grimey Drawer

Cease to Hope posted:

I see no way in which your plan to jam a gauss rifle in the side torso of a brawler assault could possibly fail.

what are these "brawler assaults" you speak of?
Some extinct species of mechs from the time you could fire an ac20 and some srms without killing yourself?

Yolomon Wayne
Jun 10, 2014

You call it "The Big Bang", but what really happened is
Grimey Drawer
Some data from the test servers:

quote:

Weapon Boats that get a Buff:
2xAC20s was 11.52 extra heat on GH1 now only 5 on GH2.0
4xLL was 8.40 etra heat on GH1 now only 5 on GH2.0
6xLL was 37.80 extra heat on GH1.0 now only 15 on GH2.0
3xPPCs was 11.97 extra heat on GH1 now zero extra heat on GH2.0
6xPPCs was 101.75 (Holly Crap!) extra heat on GH1. Now only 15! Seriously???
9xMedium Laser was 13.60 extra heat on GH1 now only 7.5 on GH2.0
4xLRM10s was 5.38 extra heat on GH1 now zero on GH2.0

quote:

I tried it (hexa-ppc) on a battlemaster with 16 DHS and that was more than just viable. I can even alpha without overheating and after that you can dish out a solid left right combo with 30 PPFLD damage.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS

Yolomon Wayne posted:

Some data from the test servers:

That's loving hilarious.

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

iram omni possibili modo preme:
plus una illa te diffamabit, quam multæ virtutes commendabunt

So the mechanic designed to nerf alpha damage actually makes alpha-focused builds more powerful.

Following in the footsteps of Ghost Heat 1.0 perfectly, I see.


Yolomon Wayne posted:

what are these "brawler assaults" you speak of?
Some extinct species of mechs from the time you could fire an ac20 and some srms without killing yourself?

The Atlas that PGI wants you to play.

Tank Boy Ken
Aug 24, 2012
J4G for life
Fallen Rib

You linked the Wrong build: Pubbie Reaper

EDIT
Also for those times you're going to have to wait for the CD on the Gauss to finish: KDK-3, 2x Gauss, 2x UAC-5, 375XL

Tank Boy Ken fucked around with this message at 12:39 on Aug 19, 2016

TjyvTompa
Jun 1, 2001

im gay

Yolomon Wayne posted:

Some data from the test servers:

Lol. I'm loving this new system. Can't wait for Russ to try to come up with a reason for it working like this. There is no way they will back down from implementing energy draw, the PST is just there to make sure it is not 100% broken like when the flamers were buffed.

Yolomon Wayne
Jun 10, 2014

You call it "The Big Bang", but what really happened is
Grimey Drawer

TjyvTompa posted:

Lol. I'm loving this new system. Can't wait for Russ to try to come up with a reason for it working like this. There is no way they will back down from implementing energy draw, the PST is just there to make sure it is not 100% broken like when the flamers were buffed.

And the best way to do so is to run a giant event on the same weekend that will keep many reasonable doubters testers away from the PTS.

Tank Boy Ken
Aug 24, 2012
J4G for life
Fallen Rib

Yolomon Wayne posted:

And the best way to do so is to run a giant event on the same weekend that will keep many reasonable doubters testers away from the PTS.

So since the new system allows us to fire 6 PPCs for just 15 penalty heat... We're going to tell them to implement it in its current state?

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat

NihilCredo posted:

So the mechanic designed to nerf alpha damage actually makes alpha-focused builds more powerful.

Following in the footsteps of Ghost Heat 1.0 perfectly, I see.


The Atlas that PGI wants you to play.

Nah, it's time to break Devastator out of mothballs.

Skoll
Jul 26, 2013

Oh You'll Love My Toxic Love
Grimey Drawer
From when we were doing NARC shennanigans last week, the 4 x LRM 10 Atlas S is surprisingly effective. You can keep up a constant rate of fire as you close and body people if you're a halfway decent pilot that knows how to aim.

Which is maybe two and a half goons.

Zernach
Oct 23, 2012
I'm going to run this stupid robot and I will love it, until someone who knows how PPCs work wrecks me by hugging me.

Great Beer
Jul 5, 2004

NihilCredo posted:

So the mechanic designed to nerf alpha damage actually makes alpha-focused builds more powerful.

Following in the footsteps of Ghost Heat 1.0 perfectly, I see.

Told ya it was Pauls idea.

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.
Try-harding trip report:

It was pretty fun we pretty much got to use the mechs we wanted to and won a lot.

Also I think a dumb pubbie got :commissar:ed.

Pubbie MVP of the night: we had a dumb pubbie telling us we're bad while LRMing into the roof of the tunnel on Crimson Straight.

Skoll
Jul 26, 2013

Oh You'll Love My Toxic Love
Grimey Drawer
Last night showed that a bunch of medium mechs are fun if you back up Dad and just gangbang primary.

Which has kinda how it's always been but when you keep recycling goons, you gotta go back to basics every so often.

TjyvTompa
Jun 1, 2001

im gay
Don't worry, I'll be on tonight and show the boys how a real man plays mechwarrior :c00l:

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Samuel L. Hacksaw
Mar 26, 2007

Never Stop Posting

TjyvTompa posted:

Don't worry, I'll be on tonight and show the boys how a real man plays mechwarrior :c00l:

Who are you?

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