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Koalas March posted:Now that y'all brought up Mariah, I'm sad we didn't get to see Alfre Woodard and Sigourney Weaver chew the scenery together. I think this is something Daredevil season 1 and Jessica Jones nailed and everything else has flubbed to some extent: in a show like this, the villain is just as important as the hero and needs to be cast, written, and used just as well. Fisk, Kilgrave, Frank, and Cottonmouth are all great examples of how to use a villain well and how the villain is an integral part of what makes a superhero show good. When the villain is weak (Diamondback and everything to do with the Hand), the show suffers badly.
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Lurdiak posted:In what universe was Sigourney Weaver's character an exciting new villain? The one where the show was written well
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moths posted:As noted before, it was supremely frustrating that they foreshadowed downing, gas, strangulation, etc and then went with SCIENCE BULLETS. They had a better idea in their heads, it made it into the script, and then they farted out some super bullet nonsense. No, Mariah had better ideas. It's foreshadowing that she's the real threat. The others were various shades of petty morons, and she's the one standing at the end.
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Also upon rewatch, I just realized Cottonmouth calls her "Black Mariah" in episode 2. I didn't remember hearing it initially. It is nice to see a show where the comic book names are actually used.
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Man oh man, I hate the convention of black characters putting black in their name. Like why does it have to be Black Panther... like Panthers are ALREADY black! Black Vulcan, Black Panther, Black Widow, enough already!!!
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Bust Rodd posted:Man oh man, I hate the convention of black characters putting black in their name. Yeah, I feel the same way about understudy characters. Like Superman and then Superboy/girl. I much prefer when they give them something different to there's, like Batman and Robin. And then Barbara joins up and she's just Batgirl. 
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Bust Rodd posted:Man oh man, I hate the convention of black characters putting black in their name. To be fair, Black Widow isn't black.  On the other hand, Black Manta didn't start off as black but then, well...
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Bust Rodd posted:Black Vulcan, Black Panther, Black Widow, enough already!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKbGnzmidsw
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He's wearing a mask, how can they even tell he's black?
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Cythereal posted:To be fair, Black Widow isn't black. The page where they reveal he is black he literally takes off his helmet and goes, "why do you think they call me ... BLACK Manta?!"
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Lurdiak posted:In what universe was Sigourney Weaver's character an exciting new villain? She wasn't "exciting" but there was something interesting about her. Being vaguely mysterious about her abilities and how/why she managed to be the head of Hand. Also the actress being SW probably had much to do with the interesting result (I'm guessing based on what we saw, she didn't have much to work with, though, for her character). Offing her in that way did the show no favors other than a short lived "oh surprise!", because then you knew the show was full on heading back towards DD2 terrible part with Electra and the Hand.
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Bust Rodd posted:Man oh man, I hate the convention of black characters putting black in their name. Black Lightning, that will have his own series soon?
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RareAcumen posted:Yeah, I feel the same way about understudy characters. Like Superman and then Superboy/girl. I much prefer when they give them something different to there's, like Batman and Robin. And then Barbara joins up and she's just Batgirl. And, if you don't have -boy and -girl, then you can't have the -family! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Superman_Family And there are more.
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"And up next on our tribute to those kooky 70's, Blacula!, Blackenstein, and the BlunchBlack of Blotre Blame!"
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Really looking forward to the unveiling of Black Puni- Oh. Oh no. That one certainly won't test well. Uh, I mean Black Blue Beetle and Black Green Lantern! docbeard posted:I just remembered how good Static Shock was. I learned on these forums that the show was extremely neutered compared to the comic. Like, 70% of the people caught in that gas attack straight up just died, for one.
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I think Punisher is going get the Netflix stuff back on track. The actor is really good, his parts in DD were great and the tone they're setting from the trailers seems pretty spot on. My only concern is that it goes too Rambo or attempts to shoehorn in Stick, Elektra or the Hand and all that dumb poo poo. Maybe they'll cram Danny in there and Frank can gently caress him up proper. I'd like to see Cox or D'Onofrio show up somewhere, at least for a few moments. I think the series would be a good way to introduce Bullseye somewhere too if they plan on using him down the road. Make him a sniper in Frank's squad or something. It'd be an easy way to tie him into the other series without having to provide a ton of exposition.
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BiggerBoat posted:I think Punisher is going get the Netflix stuff back on track. Jon Bernthal was really good as The Punisher etalian fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Sep 30, 2017 |
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etalian posted:Jon Bernthal was really good as The Punisher He was fantastic and that's what I mean. I think it's going to be good. Most of these shows have been driven by the quality of the performances, even the only good parts of Iron Fist that people liked. In JJ, DD and LC all the leads really shined and the episodes largely lived and died based on who was on screen at any given time when I stop and think about it. People hated Finn as Danny but seemed to like Weaver even though her role was weak, for instance. Consider: Fisk, Cottonmouth, JJ, Luke, Matt, Frank, Kilgrave, Foggy, Ben Urich, Karen Page...several supporting actors... I could go on and on. People harp on the action but almost everything people post that really sucks seems to revolve around the performers, to my eye.
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So Stephen Colbert asked celebrities to tweet their awkward childhood photos. Clark Gregg posted this gem: https://twitter.com/clarkgregg/status/913790860441001984
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BiggerBoat posted:He was fantastic and that's what I mean. I think it's going to be good. Well it's sort of tough to have a good series if the lead can't carry the weight or sell the role. Bringing Jon Bernthal back was a pretty smart given how well he did in S2 of Daredevil.
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BiggerBoat posted:I think Punisher is going get the Netflix stuff back on track. Stick died, dude. AbstractNapper posted:She wasn't "exciting" but there was something interesting about her. Being vaguely mysterious about her abilities and how/why she managed to be the head of Hand. Also the actress being SW probably had much to do with the interesting result (I'm guessing based on what we saw, she didn't have much to work with, though, for her character). I dunno, I thought she was really boring. I feel like people just like Sigourney Weaver and wanted the character to be interesting. I agree that killing her off sure didn't give her a chance to become interesting, but she had a lot of screen time before that scene and she was still boring, so whatever. Lurdiak fucked around with this message at 02:47 on Oct 1, 2017 |
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Lurdiak posted:Stick died, dude. The frustrating thing about Alexandra is that she already knew everything that was going on so there was no tension with her character. She literally just walks around saying vague stuff and acts creepy with Elektra. She had no arc, she had no development, she was just wallpaper and I don't think they even learned anything from her. I don't remember anything about her character except she had zero intonation, just really flat boring delivery that the directors probably though was ~mysterious.~
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As a Turkish person I was annoyed she called Istanbul "Constantinople".  Funny scene, though. Anyway the biggest issue with her character is that she didn't have superpowers. The writers tried to make her seem like some sort of master manipulator and genius leader, but it came across as really non-threatening and hollow. Definitely a waste of talent, and probably contributed significantly to the overall disappointment amongst the fanbase since they used her liberally to promote the film. "Omg it will have Sigourney Weaver in it!!!!!111one"
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HIJK posted:The frustrating thing about Alexandra is that she already knew everything that was going on so there was no tension with her character. She literally just walks around saying vague stuff and acts creepy with Elektra. She had no arc, she had no development, she was just wallpaper and I don't think they even learned anything from her. Exactly! She basically sleepwalked through the show and then died.
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enraged_camel posted:As a Turkish person I was annoyed she called Istanbul "Constantinople". Why'd they change it?
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etalian posted:Well it's sort of tough to have a good series if the lead can't carry the weight or sell the role. Right, except I wasn't just talking about the leads in these series. They all seem to sink or swim depending on the cast, supporting or otherwise. Lurdiak posted:Stick died, dude hahaha.
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Samizdata posted:Why'd they change it? When in Rome 2.0...
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Samizdata posted:Why'd they change it? It's complicated. The city was originally named Byzantium by the Greek settlers who founded it. When Roman emperor Constantine I transferred the capital of the Roman Empire from Rome to Byzantium, the city was renamed to Konstantinoupolis (Constantinople). When the Ottomans conquered it in 1453, they actually kept referring to it as Konstantiniyye, but also used Istanbul, which is derived from Greek eis tin polin, which means "into the city" (Ottoman Empire had a huge Greek population and many of them lived in Istanbul). The older name was finally dropped in the 1920s when modern Turkey was founded and Turkey officially favored city names based on the new, Latin-based Turkish alphabet.
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enraged_camel posted:As a Turkish person I was annoyed she called Istanbul "Constantinople". They were implying she was so old that when she was first there, it was not yet Istanbul.
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My issue with Alexandra is that I never really understood what led her to the myopic goal of risking her, and the rest of the Hand's leadership's lives to create the Black Sky. I think the foolish confidence, overbearing attitude, and desperate nature of her ploy were handled pretty well, though. I want to make sure I didn't misinterpret something: was the goal of most of the other Hand's leadership to return and reintegrate into Kun Lun or was it to take it over?
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homullus posted:They were implying she was so old that when she was first there, it was not yet Istanbul. Yeah I know, I was joking.
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Lurdiak posted:Stick died, dude. Dude, you expect them to watch that show instead of repeat something someone else said about it? A trusted review source?
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enraged_camel posted:It's complicated. The city was originally named Byzantium by the Greek settlers who founded it. When Roman emperor Constantine I transferred the capital of the Roman Empire from Rome to Byzantium, the city was renamed to Konstantinoupolis (Constantinople). When the Ottomans conquered it in 1453, they actually kept referring to it as Konstantiniyye, but also used Istanbul, which is derived from Greek eis tin polin, which means "into the city" (Ottoman Empire had a huge Greek population and many of them lived in Istanbul). The older name was finally dropped in the 1920s when modern Turkey was founded and Turkey officially favored city names based on the new, Latin-based Turkish alphabet. Actually I think people just liked it better that way.
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enraged_camel posted:It's complicated. The city was originally named Byzantium by the Greek settlers who founded it. When Roman emperor Constantine I transferred the capital of the Roman Empire from Rome to Byzantium, the city was renamed to Konstantinoupolis (Constantinople). When the Ottomans conquered it in 1453, they actually kept referring to it as Konstantiniyye, but also used Istanbul, which is derived from Greek eis tin polin, which means "into the city" (Ottoman Empire had a huge Greek population and many of them lived in Istanbul). The older name was finally dropped in the 1920s when modern Turkey was founded and Turkey officially favored city names based on the new, Latin-based Turkish alphabet. My Greek boss has a different take on that...
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Samizdata posted:Why'd they change it? I can't say. People just liked it better that way.
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Samizdata posted:Why'd they change it? When you rule a country, you can do things like change the names of cities. Don't be surprised when everyone takes years and years to get on board with the new name, though. Lots of people like the first one they heard or saw, cover versions or sequels are never as good once an idea has worked it's way into your brain. You can attempt to do so with landmarks if you're a corporation. "Attempt" being the key word there. For instance, it may be spelled "Willis Tower," but it's pronounced "Sears Tower."
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