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Before Obama was elected President, I think there might have been a case that the Venn diagram was broadly accurate, at least if you only consider a group to be racist if the animating principle of the group is some variety of white nationalism and not merely that most to all members of the group are themselves racist. Like the anti-government militia that built themselves a compound in Idaho to prepare for the inevitable breakdown of society did so because of a fear of the government, which up to then was run by white men, and that society itself was on the brink of collapse, not from some racial uprising but because the antichrist was gonna get elected President and then BOOM it's the End Times. Now, if you went out and interviewed each member of that group, their views on race would likely range from "vehemently racist" to "who gives a poo poo, the world's about to end, but if a black guy showed up mid-Apocalypse, we'd tell him to get lost, but maybe not if he's white, unless it's Bob from church, he's a good guy", but that racism wasn't what is animating the group to do what they're doing. It's partly a product of the pre-internet days when these groups weren't talking with each other all day every day online and some because the idea of a President who isn't a white man was laughable to them even up through much of GWB's time in office. Now? Yeah, most of them are if not explicitly white separatist, white nationalist, fascist, etc., then crypto-white separatist, crypto-white nationalist, crypto-Nazi, etc. and that diagram may as well be white supremacists around just about everything but for a few people who are insisting that no, it really is about ethics in 19th century war memorial setup and removal and who actually believe that.
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Militias / "Patriot" groups and neo-Nazis don't necessarily get along: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gkDUpXrCME By the way, that's William Fears, a Houston-area neo-Nazi who also showed up at Charlottesville here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P54sP0Nlngg&t=282s  He's got a criminal record involving a 2009 kidnapping of an 18-year-old girl which he "wounded" several times. I've seen some neo-Nazis online say they should adopt his flag since it's more "American" looking. Meant to look kinda Texan too because of the lone star -- mixed with the Schwarze Sonne. So I wouldn't be surprised to see that flag pop up more.
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Admiral Ray posted:The few Oathkeepers that went to Ferguson and were like "The situation here is literally why we have the 2nd Amendment and we need to get these people access to guns and training". The Oathkeepers organization threw them out for that though.
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I'd edit to respond, but that's a good post entirely on its own and merits a separate response, and yeah there's an awful lot of racist, white supremacist, white nationalist idiots who have a reflexive hatred of anything fashy. As I understand, it's a combination of WW2 vets coming back to the South after the war causing a clash between Nazi's straight up wanting to exterminate anyone and everyone not white and the existing white supremacists seeing other races as being useful, so long as they accept that they're on a lower rung of the societal ladder, to say nothing of the foreign origin of Naziism clashing with home-grown white supremacism.
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Al-Saqr posted:I cant think of a bigger bunch of cowardly fucks than those ford dealership militia nazi's who are the SAFEST, MOST COMFORTABLE, MOST MATERIALLY WELL OF AND LEAST THREATENED PEOPLE ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH but are in such a state of cowardice they have to bring their high powered assault rifles to a loving demonstration these cowardly fucks wouldnt last twelve seconds in any actual stress situation. There is a part of me that is hoping for a Maoist Third World Revolution. Could you imagine how loving easy it would be for the average third worlder to overpower soft first worlders if we didn't have an absurd amount of money being poured into military tech? Cut off their internet, and the Alt-Right would fall to people's revolution in like 2 hours tops.
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so what your saying is we should make leftist militias already on it, in a leftist way
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M_Gargantua posted:so what your saying is we should make leftist militias Don't tempt me, I've been kicking it around.
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Al-Saqr posted:I cant think of a bigger bunch of cowardly fucks than those ford dealership militia nazi's who are the SAFEST, MOST COMFORTABLE, MOST MATERIALLY WELL OF AND LEAST THREATENED PEOPLE ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH but are in such a state of cowardice they have to bring their high powered assault rifles to a loving demonstration these cowardly fucks wouldnt last twelve seconds in any actual stress situation. BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 05:12 on Aug 19, 2017 |
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Zeroisanumber posted:Don't tempt me, I've been kicking it around. i am liberal i own guns i think i know enough to not be labeled a terrorist or hate group (all you gotta do is spraypaint pride camo paterns on your equipment)
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M_Gargantua posted:already on it, in a leftist way M_Gargantua posted:i am liberal ??
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Prester Jane posted:The Oathkeepers organization threw them out for that though.
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the reason we haven't had mass murder yet is the same reason mass outbreaks of violence remain unlikely, to wit, the heavily armed types are comfortable petit bourgeoisie not ready to deal with either the immediate or the long term consequences of pulling the trigger if the bottom falls out of the economy then you're gonna see some poo poo until then it's continued stochastic terrorism via isolated, antisocial, mostly mentally ill young men
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:While an ideological mix, the militias seem generally defensive oriented. The Malheur occupation seemed pretty atypical and the militias by and large are more "get off my land" types. The conflict over the Bundy Ranch involved whether the federal government had authority over public land in Nevada. The caveat here is you get the mix between militias, neo-Nazis and SovCits.
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rudatron posted:They're 'defensive' in the same way that the reactionary groups are 'defensive' - they view themselves as defenders of society, even when they're very obviously destabilizing society, because they goal is to uphold institutions of racial supremacism, exploitation and misogyny, not protect society and the people in it. Even minor reforms, that in the broad scheme of things changes very little, are all viewed as existential threats, to be 'defended' against.
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can you imagine how poo poo would have gone down had the banks not been bailed out in 2008? An economic collapse and a black president?
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Nazis are not revolutionaries. The point is that the whole 'defensive' poo poo is nothing but a smokescreen, a convenient lie that they may or may not buy into themselves. They're not 'defensive' in any meaningful sense of the term, you're just buying into their marketing.
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rudatron posted:Nazis are not revolutionaries. I consider the Nazis to be would-be revolutionaries -- a revolution from the right. This comes down to how we define fascism but I don't share the Marxist analysis of fascism as the bullyboy of finance capitalism. I believe it's a distinct ideology characterized by violent, revolutionary, palingenetic ultra-nationalism. I'm in the Roger Griffin school of fascist studies. But it's kind of a blah blah academic distinction and not that important. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTfbBvIEbfA&t=289s BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 08:01 on Aug 19, 2017 |
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Ron Jeremy posted:can you imagine how poo poo would have gone down had the banks not been bailed out in 2008? An economic collapse and a black president? yeah boomers might've not had the value of their houses rise quite as much by now it would've massacred the reverse mortgage industry
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M_Gargantua posted:so what your saying is we should make leftist militias They already exist within organizations like redneck revolt and John Brown brigades
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lmao good...good That Matthias guy was running their Discords btw. And was running the /pol/ Discord for awhile until it got banned. He might've gotten toppled from his admin position for "cucking" before the plug got pulled though.
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The even more racists elements of the right literally attacking their non-white allies for making light of the death of a white woman is now my dream.
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its p cool and good that leftish pundits are now making rape accusations to win twitter arguments just cuz time has proven them wrong re antifa
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Homeless Friend posted:the generated profiles are lol Reagan Republican. Nam Vet. US Army Veteran????
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Al! posted:https://twitter.com/celieesHa/status/898813390751223808 Somebody is going to the well for C-names too often when they make up these profiles.
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So what time is it all kicking off in boston today?
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:So what time is it all kicking off in boston today? No one knows if it even is. If the Nazis hold an event it's going to be super low-key because they don't want to die.
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Admiral Ray posted:The few Oathkeepers that went to Ferguson and were like "The situation here is literally why we have the 2nd Amendment and we need to get these people access to guns and training". Prester Jane posted:The Oathkeepers organization threw them out for that though. Any bits I could read about this?
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Triangle Shirt Factotum posted:Any bits I could read about this? http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-oath-keeper-who-wants-to-arm-black-lives-matter-20160103 here go friend.
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sneakyfrog posted:http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-oath-keeper-who-wants-to-arm-black-lives-matter-20160103 Nice. thanks.
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How are there sooo many jews and even Asians desperately trying to associate themselves with these movements? Weren't Stephen Miller and Spencer friends at Duke or something
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Al! posted:https://twitter.com/celieesHa/status/898813390751223808 im the zero retweets
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https://www.rferl.org/a/u-s-neo-nazi-website-russian-domain-daily-stormer/28680409.htmlquote:A Russian web-hosting provider says it has suspended the Russian domain of the prominent U.S. neo-Nazi website Daily Stormer after the government's media regulator asked it to look into the site's "extremist content." lol the Russians booted them too.
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