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Hopper posted:I don't buy the depression angle unless diagnosed, in therapy and/or medicated. "I am not a lazy gently caress, I don't do X because of my depression" is the new "my obnoxious crotch spawn isn't a result of my failed patent, he has assburgers/add".
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Jan 23, 2018 01:47
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i would father die an alcoholic than go to creepy loving cult that cannot fail you, can only be failed AA. americans (especially LA americans) are hosed with a capital gently caress
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Jan 23, 2018 01:56
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The Big Word posted:source your mid 00s gbs quotes in mid 00s gibbis, making GBS threads your pants at work and telling the forums about it was a rite of passage
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Jan 23, 2018 02:13
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AA has it's benefits. I don't think it should be assigned by courts or anything, but it can and does help some people. Get hung up on the "higher power" part if you want, but it really isn't an integral part to the treatment. The main benefit is a support structure of people that won't judge you who are going, or went, through the same thing.
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Adar posted:in mid 00s gibbis, making GBS threads your pants at work and telling the forums about it was a rite of passage 
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Jan 23, 2018 02:16
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Goons, pleas shower, it’ll help you with the sexing.
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Jan 23, 2018 02:19
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When I was a poor goon many years ago, I lived for a short time in a place that shouldn't have been rentable. Amongst many things wrong, we had no hot water, and no shower, but we had a bathtub. So, we took a washtub, filled it with cold water, stuck it on the stove until it was really hot, carried it to the tub and filled it with cold water, and it was nice and warm. When there's a will, there's a way.
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Jan 23, 2018 05:59
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Bust Rodd posted:If I think someone thinks you are too stupid or autistic to understand “shower and wash your clothes so you don’t stank up the office”, he probably thinks you are too weird to talk to about it. yo you can't just use willpower to conquer severe depression, like if you have the willpower to just "make yourself" do poo poo you are probably not severely depressed. you can't overcome it by sheer force of will any more than you can schizophrenia yeah if you want to get better you need to take certain steps like seeking help but even that can be incredibly difficult. having struggled with depression my entire life, at one point even attempting suicide, i can tell you for sure that willpower is not the secret that would be the reason people don't talk about it, it's offensively wrong discarded box fucked around with this message at 06:24 on Jan 23, 2018 |
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Jan 23, 2018 06:21
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Ok so what would you call the impetus to help yourself and seek treatment and self-care?
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Jan 23, 2018 06:27
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Bust Rodd posted:Ok so what would you call the impetus to help yourself and seek treatment and self-care? Honestly I think the first thing they need to do is quite literally call someone for help, because having someone talking you through things can really help.
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Jan 23, 2018 07:35
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Yea, saying "you need to just have willpower" is probably the last person that someone who suffers from depression (or addiction) wants to hear. Especially if it's coming from a significant other or family. If they drop a blanket statement like that they fundamentally do not understand how depression or other illnesses that effect your brain chemistry work. It's like, you don't think I know it just takes willpower? I'm well aware of that. When your brain convinces you that you are incapable of even producing a shred of motivation and everything you do in your life reinforces that belief it's real loving hard to just get up and make yourself do something. Also, things that work for you don't exactly work for someone else.
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Jan 23, 2018 09:20
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discarded box posted:yo you can't just use willpower to conquer severe depression, like if you have the willpower to just "make yourself" do poo poo you are probably not severely depressed. you can't overcome it by sheer force of will any more than you can schizophrenia You definitely had it worse than me.
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Jan 23, 2018 10:27
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Mithra6 posted:When I was a poor goon many years ago, I lived for a short time in a place that shouldn't have been rentable. Amongst many things wrong, we had no hot water, and no shower, but we had a bathtub. That's more or less how bathing has (and sometimes still is) been done for thousands of years before the invention of heated plumbing, so, congrats for rediscovering it. Though I suppose it depends on how people view it. I mean, I like showering. Even when miserably depressed, showering can be the highlight of my day. (although I must admit, getting a bit rank and sweaty is tempting to hold off if only to make cleaning oneself more satisfying) And from my own experience with depression, recovery required getting the hell out of the environment that was making be depressed, and even then it took about a year after that before I'd consider myself recovered.
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Jan 23, 2018 10:47
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my nigga have you tried
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“You can’t get over your problems with willpower! You need help!” “I lack the drive to complete even the most basic of human functions. Is it easy to seek psychiatric help?” “Well it’s very expensive, and if you’re lucky enough to live where it’s not, it will take an incredibly long time to receive treatment, and once you start it’s a very long process.. if you see medication, it might work out, or it might take years to find the right combination, or maybe 3 years from now things are even worse because they misdiagnosed you.” “That... that sounds like even more effort than just forcing myself out of bed and cleaning myself.” “Well then you’re probably trapped in this Hell of your own making forever, cheers!”
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Jan 23, 2018 18:02
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quote:I said I wouldn't drink tonight, but here I am polishing off the remains of a 750 of Jim Bean. I mean, even if you're not physically addicted yet, this is absolutely addictive/self-medicating behavior and the physical addiction won't be far behind You gotta find a better outlet, def. Hopefully therapy helps.
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Jan 23, 2018 19:10
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loquacius posted:I mean, even if you're not physically addicted yet, this is absolutely addictive/self-medicating behavior and the physical addiction won't be far behind I had am addiction councilor (who was a recovering drunk herself) tell me that one of the sure signs of a problem is "its OK to drink, it's after <time>" So if you find yield justifying you drinking because you wait till 5, or till after sunset, or whatever, you probably have a problem. This is why day drinking is good
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Bust Rodd posted:“You can’t get over your problems with willpower! You need help!” you seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of depression, as someone above said it fucks with your brain in ways that make this kind of logical thought process you suggest completely unrealistic. my thought patterns were nothing like this, granted my experience is completely anecdotal and subjective i get that your heart is probably in the right place, but please don't tell anyone suffering from severe depression that all they need to do is make themselves get better. the 2 people above me summarized it pretty well it hurts to hear someone you care about or a family member tell you to just will your way through it, it hurts because it means they have absolutely no idea what im going through discarded box fucked around with this message at 19:45 on Jan 23, 2018 |
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Jan 23, 2018 19:36
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discarded box posted:you seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of depression, as someone above said it fucks with your brain in ways that make this kind of logical thought process you suggest completely unrealistic. my thought patterns were nothing like this, granted my experience is completely anecdotal and subjective What suggestions do you have, if "try" is such hurtful advice?
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Jan 23, 2018 19:48
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420 SWAGLORD posted:What suggestions do you have, if "try" is such hurtful advice? "seek treatment" is a pretty good one Even that is pretty difficult; if you're bad enough that you're not bathing you pretty much have to have someone else who cares about you enough to take responsibility for finding you a psychiatrist and driving you to your appointments, but it's pretty much the only way
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Jan 23, 2018 19:50
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420 SWAGLORD posted:What suggestions do you have, if "try" is such hurtful advice? there is a difference between telling someone the secret to curing depression is willpower and telling someone to seek treatment or ask someone close to help them seek treatment
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loquacius posted:"seek treatment" is a pretty good one Seek treatment is also good and more specific advice, but you have to try at least a little bit to do that too. I really don't understand why people are getting offended at the suggestion they attempt to improve their situation by whatever means are available to them. Even the truest believer in therapy/meds as a cureall has to call, make an appointment, keep it, pick up a prescription, and put pills in their face regularly. Those steps are covered by "dude come on try" just as much as taking a shower or leaving the house. It's not like 'bootstraps', it's more like 'only you can prevent forest fires'
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420 SWAGLORD posted:Seek treatment is also good and more specific advice, but you have to try at least a little bit to do that too. I really don't understand why people are getting offended at the suggestion they attempt to improve their situation by whatever means are available to them. Even the truest believer in therapy/meds as a cureall has to call, make an appointment, keep it, pick up a prescription, and put pills in their face regularly. Those steps are covered by "dude come on try" just as much as taking a shower or leaving the house. It's not like 'bootstraps', it's more like 'only you can prevent forest fires' when i was depressed to the point of planning my suicide i was not making spreadsheets and only executing actions involving less than or equal to x effort. it doesnt work like that the issue is that its just way, way more complex than most people seem to realize. you are correct in the sense that yes, some form of willpower is necessary to seek treatment, but that same willpower cant be plugged into a formula to figure out all of the things you can "make yourself" do discarded box fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Jan 23, 2018 |
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discarded box posted:there is a difference between telling someone the secret to curing depression is willpower and telling someone to seek treatment or ask someone close to help them seek treatment This is if course true, but I think you may have a fundamental misunderstanding of what that guy posted. He's trying to be encouraging. No one here is saying "depression is bullshit and you just need willpower". They are saying "depression sucks, and you need to have willpower". Whether it lets you turn on the shower knob or keeps you taking pills on schedule or helps you be honest about hard stuff with a therapist, it is an absolutely necessary part of recovery and you will never find a therapist who will tell you otherwise. discarded box posted:when i was depressed to the point of planning my suicide i was not making spreadsheets and only executing actions involving less than or equal to x effort. it doesnt work like that Ok, so what *did* you do? Or were you entirely passive as an external process repaired your life?
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420 SWAGLORD posted:This is if course true, but I think you may have a fundamental misunderstanding of what that guy posted. He's trying to be encouraging. No one here is saying "depression is bullshit and you just need willpower". They are saying "depression sucks, and you need to have willpower". Whether it lets you turn on the shower knob or keeps you taking pills on schedule or helps you be honest about hard stuff with a therapist, it is an absolutely necessary part of recovery and you will never find a therapist who will tell you otherwise. i dont know if you missed it but i did in fact understand that he was trying to be encouraging, thats why i said i thought his heart was in the right place. i edited my post above this one so check that, and i really dont want to derail the thread any further with this poo poo so if you are genuinely interested in my messed up life feel free to send me a PM!
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discarded box posted:i dont know if you missed it but i did in fact understand that he was trying to be encouraging, thats why i said i thought his heart was in the right place. i edited my post above this one so check that, and i really dont want to derail the thread any further with this poo poo so if you are genuinely interested in my messed up life feel free to send me a PM! I am more interested in your willpower-free depression cure friend, I don't have pm's and feel something like that would be massively helpful to the fesser/general SA readership anyhow e: didn't see your edit, sorry if I'm being a jerk. The idea willpower is useless/irrelevant to fighting depression keeps a lot of people trapped in bad mental health situations so I was real motivated to argue the point. Glad you're doing better, you obviously don't have to share publicly if you don't want to 420 SWAGLORD fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Jan 23, 2018 |
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wish we had some new feshs
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420 SWAGLORD posted:I am more interested in your willpower-free depression cure friend, I don't have pm's and feel something like that would be massively helpful to the fesser/general SA readership anyhow discarded box posted:the issue is that its just way, way more complex than most people seem to realize. you are correct in the sense that yes, some form of willpower is necessary to seek treatment, but that same willpower cant be plugged into a formula to figure out all of the things you can "make yourself" do sorry I will stop responding like I said I don't want to further derail the thread. you absolutely do need some form of willpower to fight it, but its a very complex and warped form of willpower and that just doesn't feel like the right word e: i do have some advice for any depressed goons out there, especially any suicidal ones. i attempted suicide once and by pure dumb luck someone found me before i died, i resented them greatly at the time because i believed with all my heart that there was nothing in this world for me but misery and pain. the idea that someday i could feel any different was laughable, i scoffed when people told me "it gets better." that is the depression speaking, the chemical imbalance in your mind. my advice? it really does get better, but seeking treatment is essential. it wont fix itself. dont kill yourself, because depression fucks with your perception of reality so greatly those awful things you are feeling and thinking are temporary and can be addressed, even though you are thinking to yourself that its impossible. you just have to give it a chance you may be thinking, just as i did, that you are alone and your depression is so bad there is no possible way it can be turned around. you are not alone, i lived in your world for many years. the way i felt and perceived the world is almost indescribable, it was like my entire reality was colored with an undertone of what id call almost primal sadness or dread. it runs so deep, like it is the very core of your psyche. it felt like everything was "wrong" and it had been so long since i felt any kind of hope it became some kind of abstract concept, a foreign idea felt only by others. there is no overnight fix for this kind of depression, it will take time. probably a lot of time. you will hit bumps, but cling to the idea that this you is not the "real" you and while you are in this state you are your own worst enemy. you can change, you can feel better. dont give up if any of you want someone to talk to, feel free to send me a PM discarded box fucked around with this message at 21:41 on Jan 23, 2018 |
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Burt Sexual posted:wish we had some new feshs I only had one earlier but now I have some more so here's a second for the day quote:I'm very lucky and have nothing to complain about, and am happy 99% of the time. Depression/anxiety: still a hell of a thing Skipped one that appeared to be suicidal ideation, which we are not allowed to entertain by GBS policy. Please call the phone number in the OP, they can help.
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We're in the middle of like 3 pages of discussion about depression and suicide
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Anne Whateley posted:We're in the middle of like 3 pages of discussion about depression and suicide ikr I was hoping he'd get one to change the subject lmao
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Anne Whateley posted:We're in the middle of like 3 pages of discussion about depression and suicide The suicide part is kind of the kicker though, and it's gotten the thread closed/gassed in the past
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loquacius posted:The suicide part is kind of the kicker though, and it's gotten the thread closed/gassed in the past EDIT: Not to suggest that the proper response to suicidal ideation is 'sounds legit' but like that's another reason why this isn't the place to have that discussion. PetraCore fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Jan 23, 2018 |
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Jan 23, 2018 20:51
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Lots of depressed alcoholic goons. Yikes!
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Drinker guy, you'll know when you have a problem. It's not some mysterious invisible boundary you cross. Wonderful things you may encounter: - Tasting your melted liver.. It's like blood air taste that comes up from below. - Probably getting arrested or in fights etc. - Might get laid, might get arrested as a result? And many other crazy poo poo. A reasonable amount of drink is fine, think 2 glasses of wine a day as a baseline assuming you're a male. Try to forgive yourself for needing to relax, and find a good doctor and just tell them whats going on. Drinking to excess is not illegal, you aren't going to get in trouble, and you can pay doctors to help you not hurt yourself.
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HEY DONT BE DEPRESSED well my job here’s done
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420 SWAGLORD posted:I am more interested in your willpower-free depression cure friend, I don't have pm's and feel something like that would be massively helpful to the fesser/general SA readership anyhow I don't think anyone would say willpower is irrelevant to fighting depression; however, the thing about saying "Something no one ever wants to talk about with depression is willpower. In 2018 depression is a disease and your only way out is medication and/or therapy, but actually the secret is willpower" is - and I don't think it's intentional, for the record - that the unspoken implication is "you would be better if you had more willpower, boy it's a shame that you don't have any." Like, when I was first coming to grips with the idea that my doctor had told me "yeah, you have a problem with depression" and trying to explain that to my friends and family - and this was back in the late '90s, and people weren't exactly as aware of the problem as they are today - I heard it again and again. "You just have to suck it up and deal." "You've got to power through this." "Just dig deep and overcome this poo poo." Meanwhile I was having thoughts of self-harm almost every day and hitting genuine suicidal ideation at least once a month; it was taking every ounce of my energy to bother to eat, and every time someone said something about willpower to me my initial response was to think something along the lines of "motherfucker I am not dead that should be all the proof you need that I've got some willpower. I struggle with this poo poo every day and I haven't opened my wrists yet, what the gently caress more do you want from me you gently caress?" And then I would say none of that out loud and go to bed in the early afternoon because I was eating, like, a Pop-Tart a day and that was it. It was not a fun time in my life. I got better, mostly. My point is, no one with depression issues needs to hear "hey man, just use some willpower," because we are. It's just not working as well for us as it is for other people. That doesn't mean it's not important, even critical, to dealing with those issues; that doesn't mean it's not important. It just means that the implication - an implication that probably isn't intentional but which comes across anyway - is that we don't already know about willpower, like it's some arcane secret that we just never considered, when honestly it's something depressed people are using as best they can every day. (oh, and for the record - I don't think you're a bad person for talking about it or any poo poo like that, you're asking good and reasonable questions, we're cool, man) E: also sorry for yet another post on a topic some people are clearly not digging, but it's kind of important to me, is all
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soy posted:Drinker guy, you'll know when you have a problem. It's not some mysterious invisible boundary you cross. Wonderful things you may encounter: Tell me more about this please.
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