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theflyingexecutive posted:I fuckin love teamsters Weren't they hella mobbed up or was that just anti union propaganda? 
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That the mob is bad is propaganda
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Apr 6, 2018 03:11
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the mob is bad because they're reactionary as hell, but teamsters are gud becuz they're teamsters
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Apr 6, 2018 03:15
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Doc Neutral posted:Weren't they hella mobbed up or was that just anti union propaganda? idk maybe I just know the teamsters I work with (theatrical) are the union that most understands the reality of capital v labor and will shut you the gently caress down if you try to get them to do smth outside of their contract
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Apr 6, 2018 03:19
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To some degree the mob was effectively the unions' answer to the pinkertons. Mostly the union side of the deal ended up increasingly coopted but even at the most one-sided it was at least in the mobs self-interest to go break a few scabs' legs. Longshoremen are up their in competition with the teamsters though.
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Apr 6, 2018 03:43
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What do teamsters even teamst anyway. Also, what is a teamst
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Apr 6, 2018 03:47
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crazy cloud posted:What do teamsters even teamst anyway. Also, what is a teamst they used to team horses
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Apr 6, 2018 03:52
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They Teamst Horses, Don’t They?
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Apr 6, 2018 03:54
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It's actually they whomst horses
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Apr 6, 2018 03:56
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what the actual heck
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Apr 6, 2018 03:57
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Teamst'd've
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Apr 6, 2018 03:57
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https://twitter.com/RealTankieHours/status/981856292464558080
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Apr 6, 2018 03:58
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they drove teams of horses and now they mostly drive trucks but do some other stuff too like manage stage and set equipment fun fact the drivers of the horse-drawn carriages in Central Park are Teamsters
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Apr 6, 2018 03:59
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3mw49mk_x0 watch your rear end, bub!
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Apr 6, 2018 04:03
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZymSrDfLhW8
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Apr 6, 2018 13:25
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Impermanent posted:That the mob is bad is propaganda The mob was good when they were helping unions and looking out for an underprivileged minority population They became bad around the time they decided to help America run Cuba and become a bunch of Tony Sopranos
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Apr 6, 2018 13:33
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reignonyourparade posted:To some degree the mob was effectively the unions' answer to the pinkertons. Mostly the union side of the deal ended up increasingly coopted but even at the most one-sided it was at least in the mobs self-interest to go break a few scabs' legs. You have anything I can read about this? This seems super interesting
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Apr 6, 2018 13:47
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the mob has always exploited whatever gaps exist between capitalist exploitation and subsistence for workers. mobsters essentially "finish the job" of extracting surplus value through intimidation and violence, which bosses don't usually employ unless there's severe workplace tension like a strike. this is one reason why fascism's relationship to organized crime comes down to a coin flip: either they get booted out so the state can take over the racket, or absorbed into the terroristic apparatus with the leadership incorporated or assassinated basically: criminals aren't heroes R. Guyovich fucked around with this message at 13:52 on Apr 6, 2018 |
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Apr 6, 2018 13:50
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relevant jacobin: https://www.jacobinmag.com/2013/11/the-sicilian-klan
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Apr 6, 2018 13:52
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I told u about Lumpenproles bro. I told u dog!
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Apr 6, 2018 13:54
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yeah mccaine has good analysis on the issue. i'd recommend the full version on his site over jaKKKobin's edit Why Do We Like Mafia Films?
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Apr 6, 2018 13:56
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Btw the connection between organized crime and the left made me think of the origin of the Red Commando here in Brazil, one of the two giant criminal factions who arr engaged in a brutal turf war that's ravaging the country. Their name actually is inspired by the fact that political prisoners during the dictatorship era were often sent to be among common criminals and tried to doctrine them with guerrilla tactics and Communist ideology but while they failed on the latter they succeeded very much on the former.
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Apr 6, 2018 14:10
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sounds like the black guerrilla family prison gang in the us
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Plutonis posted:Btw the connection between organized crime and the left made me think of the origin of the Red Commando here in Brazil, one of the two giant criminal factions who arr engaged in a brutal turf war that's ravaging the country. Their name actually is inspired by the fact that political prisoners during the dictatorship era were often sent to be among common criminals and tried to doctrine them with guerrilla tactics and Communist ideology but while they failed on the latter they succeeded very much on the former. Woopsy Daisy!
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Apr 6, 2018 16:13
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kind of tangential but i read a book on attica recently and there's a lot in there about the state (both "the State of New York" and "the security apparatus controlled by the Federal government") panicking about radical prisoners. the prison unrest that preceded and culminated in the Attica uprising was widely blamed in establishment circles on left wing ideology permeating from trouble-making Communists and black radicals rather than on the obviously inhuman conditions
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Apr 6, 2018 16:23
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82O_aEyprxE
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Apr 6, 2018 17:31
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https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/559469978857271296?s=19
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Apr 6, 2018 22:03
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Convo with my brother's girlfriend, who never talks politics, a few moments ago. "Oh we're going to see Death of Stalin on Sunday and we got you a ticket." Her: "I heeeard. HE'S MY BAE." ... "Stalin?" Her: "Yeah, see?" *pulls up phone pic of young sexy Stalin*
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Apr 7, 2018 03:34
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:Convo with my brother's girlfriend, who never talks politics, a few moments ago. "Oh we're going to see Death of Stalin on Sunday and we got you a ticket." Hell yes.
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Apr 7, 2018 03:36
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:Convo with my brother's girlfriend, who never talks politics, a few moments ago. "Oh we're going to see Death of Stalin on Sunday and we got you a ticket." your brother must marry her
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Apr 7, 2018 03:47
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Ruzihm posted:they used to team horses their logo is badass 
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Apr 7, 2018 05:21
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:Convo with my brother's girlfriend, who never talks politics, a few moments ago. "Oh we're going to see Death of Stalin on Sunday and we got you a ticket." im happy for you bro
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Apr 7, 2018 08:58
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:Convo with my brother's girlfriend, who never talks politics, a few moments ago. "Oh we're going to see Death of Stalin on Sunday and we got you a ticket." ..she got a sister?
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Apr 7, 2018 09:17
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sorry about your use of br myers as a reliable source, brutalistmc https://twitter.com/blake_brunner/status/976505561217777664 https://twitter.com/blake_brunner/status/976505566074871808
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R. Guyovich posted:sorry about your use of br myers as a reliable source, brutalistmc https://twitter.com/blake_brunner/status/976505563780603904 I think their description of a nation in terms of "common kinship descent" gives a certain justification for reading race into it
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Apr 8, 2018 01:31
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it's true, i do use b.r. myers a lot in the korea thread but right now i'm gonna have to trade space for time on this particular 
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Apr 8, 2018 01:39
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Maybe all nationalisms are inherently racist.
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Apr 8, 2018 01:48
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i'll point out that neo-nazi entryism is not unheard of among pro-DPRK groups in the U.S. the songun politics study group blew up in infighting because of it i think, and the leader burned his north korean contact because he started posting white-power stuff on the study group's website. i guess we can give north korea credit for cutting ties but the guy later complained ... because 'they knew i was an anti-semite before and they didn't have a problem with it!' i think jason unruhe was also mixed up with that group lol
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Apr 8, 2018 01:55
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we should definitely trust the word of an avowed white power advocate desperately attempting to save face
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Bryter posted:https://twitter.com/blake_brunner/status/976505563780603904 not really, it's pretty clearly cribbing from marxism and the national question Joey S. posted:A nation is a historically constituted, stable community of people, formed on the basis of a common language, territory, economic life, and psychological make-up manifested in a common culture.
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