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Sniep posted:450W seems a tad low, and esp for that price, imho. Needs to be SFX PSU to fit the case.
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Sniep posted:450W seems a tad low, and esp for that price, imho. Because he's using a case that requires an SFX PSU. That being said - it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to go to the 600W SKU of that Corsair line over the 450W.
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The Slack Lagoon posted:Needs to be SFX PSU to fit the case. Oh I missed the SFX part. Sorry! Point still stands that 450 seems a little thin tho.
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While I would probably get the 600W just because the 450W would do the job, people used to run overclocked 4700k + 290X back when 450W was the largest SFX PSU you could get. The 1070 uses much less power than a 290X.
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MaxxBot posted:While I would probably get the 600W just because in reality the 450W is totally fine, people used to run overclocked 4700k + 290X back when 450W was the largest SFX PSU you could get. The 1070 uses much less power than a 290X. Yeah, but PSUs lose efficiency over time, and going with the 600W over the 450W for ~$30 more should be seen as an investment in long-term system stability. ----- Also, for people who want to add a no-frills 27" 1440p IPS screen for a pretty decent price to your 'good enough' builds, Lenovo's got you covered at the moment: https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/accessories-and-monitors/monitors/home/L27q-20-27-QHD-MonitorHDMI%2BDP/p/65D4GCC1US Adding the code MONITORSALE at checkout brings it down to $199 even. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 06:56 on Dec 21, 2017 |
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Palladium posted:If I were you I would just look for a <$200 i5-3470 refurb and put a SSD in. So something along the lines of this with the Monitor and SSD?
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Gothmog1065 posted:So something along the lines of this with the Monitor and SSD? Yeah something like that. Try to get a Dell/HP/Lenovo with the best balance of specs/$, or even better get one with a tower form factor if possbile so you have the option to put in a full size GPU later if you need it.
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My sister needs a new desktop to work on, mainly surfing the internet but I think there maybe some light photoshop and certainly some sims 4. I was going to shop around for deals on prebuilts with i5's and 8 gigs of ram, but I want to have some fun and build her a slim PC if I have the chance to free up some desk/storage space for her. She's probably using a 1080 monitor (or less) I was going to do the PCparts picker myself but hey I know you guys are good at it (you've helped me 2 times on my own gaming PC's) and I honestly don't know what case to start with. I want to find a good slim case (I think the i5 onboard graphics will be fine for her) I don't really have a budget yet but as the needs aren't demanding I just have some requirements: Slim case (maybe a small box) 120 or 240 g SSD and 4tb storage. 8 gigs ram, i5 or i3, im not 100% she needs an i5 for this. Looking to be as cheap as possible with quality parts. (and we're in the USA) Nitramster fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Dec 21, 2017 |
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I know it's not exciting to hear if you want to build something, but if you want a slim desktop and don't need dedicated graphics or a high-end CPU then small form factor OEM machines are the way to go. You can easily get a refurb quadcore desktop like the Optiplex 7010 with 8GB of RAM that will fit in a handbag for under $200 if you don't care about being able to add a discrete card later, or a normal slimline mATX machine for a similar price if you do.
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Hey goobers. I require the assistance of somebody knowledgeable in the realm of GPUs. Recently bought myself a HTC Vive and my R290X is letting my system down so I think it's time to order myself an upgrade, it's performing okay but during some of the more intense scenes it begins to struggle. From what I've read the GTX 1080 seems like a solid upgrade. Thoughts? Opinions? Alternatives?
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Jarf posted:Hey goobers. I require the assistance of somebody knowledgeable in the realm of GPUs. The GTX 1080 is a great card and a solid choice for VR. If you’ve got the cash, do it, if you’ve got $850 laying around go 1080ti.
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I'd wait until the after-Christmas sales to buy a GPU. Retailers love padding those end-of-Q4 numbers.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:I'd wait until the after-Christmas sales to buy a GPU. Retailers love padding those end-of-Q4 numbers. Do you think that there will be any left for the normal joe after the crypto people get wind of any discounted 1080/1080tis?
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Well, I was hoping I could wait a bit since my understanding is Intel just came out with new CPUs, but my graphics card literally just died two hours ago. I haven't shopped for parts in about five years, so I am completely lost on what a decent mobo/case/PSU/etc are for the price and was wondering if you fellows had any insight.
Basically, tell me where I'm being a moron with this and where I am overspending, if I am. I half expect to be told "why the hell are you getting the new CPUs". PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant CPU: Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor ($199.89 @ B&H) Motherboard: ASRock - Z370 Killer SLI/ac ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($141.98 @ Newegg) Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($183.99 @ Newegg) Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB GT OCV1 Video Card ($279.99 @ B&H) Case: Fractal Design - Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Newegg) Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($65.98 @ Newegg) Total: $951.82 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-12-22 02:17 EST-0500 Tallgeese fucked around with this message at 08:17 on Dec 22, 2017 |
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Jarf posted:Hey goobers. I require the assistance of somebody knowledgeable in the realm of GPUs. Alternately if you don't have $850 a 1070 will run a vive without any problem. I've got an 8GB overclocked 1070 that does a Vive + two 2560x1080 screens and those are only about $450
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Tallgeese posted:Well, I was hoping I could wait a bit since my understanding is Intel just came out with new CPUs, but my graphics card literally just died two hours ago. I haven't shopped for parts in about five years, so I am completely lost on what a decent mobo/case/PSU/etc are for the price and was wondering if you fellows had any insight. You can definitely save about $50 on the motherboard (with a ASRock - Z370 Killer or equivalent) unless that one has something specific you want. If you think you'd really benefit from higher clocks you can drop to a 7600K for the same price, but your not going to really get a performance boost overall, just in different use cases where single thread apps like emulators (Which probably don't tax your CPU much anyway). If you drop to the 7600K a Z270 Killer will do for $90. If you're planning on doing overclocking an Asus ROG Strix is a good pick for you to stick with. Lastly I'd swap out that power supply for a EVGA Supernova 550 G3 or a corsair RM550x or a 650W version if you want the headroom. its an extra  but a NEX is a functional and average power supply and im partial to having the slight premium price for a better power block.
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Thanks, that works. I'll keep the 8400. I'm curious if there's a better case option I missed?
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Tallgeese posted:Thanks, that works. I'll keep the 8400. That NEX EVGA you have selected is effectively a "G1" to the most recent G3. G3s can be had for a comparable amount. Right now the 750W is ~$80 after rebate and has way more connectors and a 10 year warranty: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438093 The 550W is ~$60, but has fewer connectors and a seven year warranty. Fractal just released their R6 case, but it'll likely be ~$150 and nowhere in NA has it in stock at the moment, it seems. There are also Phanteks cases in your price range, and they're always solid options. I'm also a bit confused why you're considering such an expensive motherboard for a locked CPU. There's no reason to get the base model, but maybe consider one that's ~$40-50 cheaper? BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 08:02 on Dec 22, 2017 |
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Right, the mobo was me waffling on the 8400 or 8600K. I switched to the one Gargauntua suggested, do you have a different idea? EDIT: Oh, I see the mistake I was making with the PSUs, I wasn't reading the "G1,, G2, G3" part. Is the 550W G3 insufficient? Tallgeese fucked around with this message at 08:18 on Dec 22, 2017 |
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Tallgeese posted:Right, the mobo was me waffling on the 8400 or 8600K. I switched to the one Gargauntua suggested, do you have a different idea? The 550W should be fine for your setup, the 750W just has way more connectors (to grow a system over time) plus a ten year warranty instead of just seven, meaning that for just a bit more, you've got a PSU that'll probably last you two system cycles. As for a cheaper motherboard that's still good, the ASRock Extreme4 is pretty solid (unless you need that built-in 802.11ac): https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157789 The Extreme4 has a third 2230 M.2 socket specifically for adding a WLAN card (the two holes on the port profile picture) and antennae later on. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 08:24 on Dec 22, 2017 |
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are there any UK-based companies that have a history of having very generous Christmas deals? I've been umming and aahing for ages. You guys probably remember me getting ready to make the plunge with a new 1070ti. However, I've been holding off, thinking that I may as well wait a few more weeks in the hopes of nabbing a decent Christmas deal. I wouldn't mind getting stuff via Amazon, but a UK-based company that offers finance would be perfect.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:The Extreme4 has a third 2230 M.2 socket specifically for adding a WLAN card (the two holes on the port profile picture) and antennae later on. Do you have a card/antenna recommendation if I go with this, out of curiosity? Though I should mention that right now I'm using an n router. I was wondering if the Killer's WiFi was backwards compatible, since it doesn't say, but I would imagine it is. Thanks for the help, by the way - I'll be back in 12 hours! Tallgeese fucked around with this message at 08:45 on Dec 22, 2017 |
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Tallgeese posted:Do you have a card/antenna recommendation if I go with this, out of curiosity? I'm pretty sure the module the Killer uses is the Intel 8265, simply because it lists BT4.2 compatibility (which nothing currently uses, I don't think). Those modules will run you ~$20-30 depending on where you buy them from (Amazon would be preferable simply for the better buyer protection over eBay). Most of the cards are loose and don't include the antenna leads, though - I've no clue what those will run you, but if it's more than ~$5-10 shipped someone's screwing you. The difference between the Killer AC and Extreme4 board is that the Killer has the WiFi/BT module already on the board and 'pre-antennaed,' and the Extreme4 has better power delivery and overclocking potential. If you're entertaining the notion of ever upgrading your processor to an 8600K or 8700K in the future, the Extreme4 would be preferable, but if you plan on riding out the 8400 until your next system refresh, the Killer AC is probably better. The Extreme4 comes with a newer/arguably better sound chip/codec as well. And yes, the Killer's AC WiFi is backwards compatible with your 802.11n stuff, it'll just be speed-limited to 802.11n speeds. If you do end up upgrading your router, you'll want to put everything that doesn't do AC natively onto the 2.4Ghz band. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 09:14 on Dec 22, 2017 |
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Is there any benefit to doing 32 gb of ram over 16gb if you're mostly gaming?
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The Slack Lagoon posted:Is there any benefit to doing 32 gb of ram over 16gb if you're mostly gaming? You can keep more stuff open in addition to a RAM hungry game. Most folks do fine with 16GB for gaming and a couple/few additional programs being open. Some of us hoard Chrome tabs or keep VMs open which is where having over 16GB helps. RAM is one of those things where just having more doesn't help performance unless your system needs to use it. If you're trying to use more than 16GB and don't have the physical RAM for it your system will chug while it pages to disk which is still a slow operation even with an SSD. When I built my system I put in 16GB and figured I'd get more if I needed it. Within a couple of months I had a couple of incidents where I needed more RAM and my system was chugging so I bought another 16GB of the same RAM. With RAM prices being so high right now I'd suggest doing that if you're not sure that you need more than 16GB.
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Any thoughts as to the best choice for a mini ITX Z307 motherboard? I know ASRock is pretty good, but looks like they only have one M.2 slot which might suck down the road. I recall hearing Gigabyte's gotten lovely, don't know about MSI, I know ASUS is usually a good pick although I've had some poo poo luck with them ~6 years ago where two P67 boards died on me within a couple weeks. Choices on PCPP are ASRock Z370M-ITX/ac Asus - ROG Strix Z370-I Gaming Mini ITX Gigabyte - Z370N WIFI Mini ITX MSI - Z370I GAMING PRO CARBON AC Mini ITX ASRock - Fatal1ty Z370 Gaming-ITX/ac Mini ITX
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garfield hentai posted:Any thoughts as to the best choice for a mini ITX Z307 motherboard? I know ASRock is pretty good, but looks like they only have one M.2 slot which might suck down the road. I recall hearing Gigabyte's gotten lovely, don't know about MSI, I know ASUS is usually a good pick although I've had some poo poo luck with them ~6 years ago where two P67 boards died on me within a couple weeks. I have the first two right now. The Asus has dual m.2s which is nice but gaudy heatsinks that also cause clearance issues with cooler and RGB that I could care less about. It’s also expensive. I haven’t spent a lot of time with the Asrock but the price was right so depending on if you’ll want dual m.2’s by the next upgrade cycle it’s probably your best value. Also, all of these boards will overclock to 5.0 and if you’re going higher, you’re a madman, considering these are ITX.
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Good to know, I was thinking "those heatsinks look kinda bulky but they wouldn't really make them that bad on an ITX board right"? I'm gonna cram all of this into a Node 202 so if those are going to cause issues with coolers (specifically the Noctua low profile one, apparently the other popular choices are either loud like the Cryorig thing or require ripping up the case like the Shuriken) then that's right out. The ASRocks were my runners up, is there an appreciable difference between the Fatal1ty and regular versions? At first I liked the idea of the adjustable polling rate because I play IIDX which is a rhythm game with super tight frame-perfect timing and currently use lovely Chinese third party app to change the polling rate, but after looking into it some more it seems like this is basically the same thing except the lovely Chinese app is part of some gaudy-rear end mobo software suite instead of an inoffensive grey box. Also I probably won't end up risking OCing in such a cramped space, the only reason I even went with a 8600k over an 8400 is it was $230 at Microcenter and actually in stock so gently caress it garfield hentai fucked around with this message at 18:05 on Dec 22, 2017 |
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The Slack Lagoon posted:Is there any benefit to doing 32 gb of ram over 16gb if you're mostly gaming? Well I've got Chrome using between 1-2GB, Slack using 500MB, discord using 300MB, , steam using 200MB, IRC using 50MB, (all with rounding) etc, on top of the standard windows processes, I end up using 5-6 GB before gaming. Depends on the game but my peak observed usage has been around 24GB total.
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I'm looking to get a new computer, but that's something I can handle pretty easily. However, I'm wondering what changes I should make to my old one to make it a useful hand-me-down. It's about six years old now (though it does have a newer GPU): ASUS P8P67 (REV 3.0) motherboard Intel Core i5-2500K CPU ASUS DirectCU II Radeon R9 280 GPU 16 GB (4 sticks) Mushkin Enhanced DDR3 SDRAM Antec EarthWatts EA-500D Green 500W PSU I plan on replacing the case (the front panel is busted and I can't get a replacement anymore) and the hard drives, since they're pretty old. Anything else I should replace? Maybe the PSU? I suppose it might be worth getting Windows 10 for this thing as well (it's still on 7).
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Avenging Dentist posted:I'm looking to get a new computer, but that's something I can handle pretty easily. However, I'm wondering what changes I should make to my old one to make it a useful hand-me-down. It's about six years old now (though it does have a newer GPU): Windows 10 and a SSD for a boot drive are good ideas, and that PSU should probably be replaced. Other than that maybe re-paste the heatsink and make sure everything is dusted out.
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Rexxed posted:Windows 10 and a SSD for a boot drive are good ideas, and that PSU should probably be replaced. Other than that maybe re-paste the heatsink and make sure everything is dusted out. I have an SSD in this thing already, but it's only 120 GB and I'm leaning towards something like 250 GB to minimize the need to worry about managing space on the boot drive, and then getting a whatever-sized HDD (I'm resisting the urge to set this up with NTFS mount points to forward C:\Users to the HDD). I do keep this thing pretty dusted out (I even added extra dust filters to it), but yeah, the heatsink is a good idea. Ultimately, this PC will probably be doing some light gaming and video-editing (though given the computer this is intended to replace, almost anything would be an improvement; it's an old AMD CPU, integrated GPU, and no SSD).
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Newegg has Toshiba P300 3 TBs for $70, that's not a bad deal. Otherwise wait for EasyStore 8 TBs to hit $150 again and shuck the drive out.
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Paul MaudDib posted:Newegg has Toshiba P300 3 TBs for $70, that's not a bad deal. Otherwise wait for EasyStore 8 TBs to hit $150 again and shuck the drive out. The easystore is actually $149.99 right now: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/wd-easystore-8tb-external-usb-3-0-hard-drive-black/5792401.p
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Cool. That'll be more for when I build a NAS I think, since I'd eventually like to stop using my main desktop as a file server. e: Ok, so here's my plan: Hand-me-down Computer New Parts:
And for what it's worth, here's my plan for my new PC. Main goals for this are gaming (144Hz in Overwatch once I get a new monitor), compiling code, and some virtualization (I do most of my dev work in a Linux VM). New Computer
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Be careful with the EasyStores and NAS, you'll always get a WD Red 8TB, but there are differences between some of the SKUs, going by the thread on HardForum HotDeals.
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So I started to build a new computer and hosed up and bought a thermaltake p1 not remembering the msi b250m I bought a few months ago was micro atx and not mini itx. Do I keep the mb or the case?
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Withnail posted:So I started to build a new computer and hosed up and bought a thermaltake p1 not remembering the msi b250m I bought a few months ago was micro atx and not mini itx. Do I keep the mb or the case? You don't have much of a choice - if you've already mounted the CPU and HSF, it's easier to return the case and just get a TT P3 instead if you're taken with the open chassis concept.
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1) Any idea on the best option to ship that thing overseas at a later point? At the moment I'm think about removing cooling/GPU/drives from the box and shipping those in their original boxes. 2) Can it get too hot for 8700K and 1080 Ti (without balls to the wall OC'ing) in a setup like that? I'd link whatever was that CPU air cooler I was able to find locally but their site is terrible beyond belief. 3) Are ASUS a decent manufacturer to roll with for motherboard/GPU? Alright, gently caress it. I've spent a few more hours on local sites and it seems I'll save up a few hundos by ordering everything myself from abroad just because for whatever reason everything here is bound to cost double digit percent on top of what it does in Germany? PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor (€384.90 @ Alza) Motherboard: Asus - ROG Strix Z370-I Gaming Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-2666 Memory (€374.59 @ Mindfactory) Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (€126.44 @ Mindfactory) Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB STRIX GAMING Video Card (€856.84 @ Mindfactory) Case: Fractal Design - Core 500 Mini ITX Desktop Case (€54.90 @ Caseking) Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (€106.84 @ Mindfactory) Total: €1904.51 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-12-23 16:28 CET+0100 So, starting from this point: 1) I need CPU cooling. 2) I want to slam in another terabyte of storage (can even be 5400 RPM, whatever, just to dump 3) I'd like to keep the case size to something similar. Any suggestions on these and other topics much appreciated. Budget can stretch a few hundos upwards. The plan is to get something like Acer Predator Z35 at a later point, maybe gently caress around with VR. cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 16:35 on Dec 23, 2017 |
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M_Gargantua posted:Alternately if you don't have $850 a 1070 will run a vive without any problem. I've got an 8GB overclocked 1070 that does a Vive + two 2560x1080 screens and those are only about $450 Thanks for the feedback everybody. I appreciate you all taking the time to reply to me. I'll take a look at the 1070 and see what the price/performance differences are like. I am tempted to just go all out and get a 1080ti though. And fine, I'll try to wait until the after Christmas sales! Jarf fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Dec 23, 2017 |
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