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Helsing posted:Several of these people weren't opposition leaders and many of the others increased their popular vote shares by like a percentage point or two. Compared to the examples cited here Corbyn's performance seems reasonably good for a first time opposition leader.
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Please do not imply Jeremy Corbyn is a sexual predator thanks.
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Mar 30, 2018 18:28
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look at the sad efforts of the Corbs denialists itt lol
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:Please do not imply Jeremy Corbyn is a sexual predator thanks. i mean, they've already tried literally everything else
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jBrereton posted:If you're going back in History, the last opposition leader who formed a government after not managing to do so their first time is Ted Heath, failed in 66, won in 70. That's a fair while back now and there have been a few butterflies under the wheel since. Would you consider Jeremy Corbyn to be the next Ted Heath? I don't think such direct comparisons make much sense but it does seem like based on the performances you cited earlier Corbyn's numbers are pretty solid, and the party's standing has improved substantially during his time in office.
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yeah so maybe Jezza closed a 20-point gap in about two months, but have you considered that somebody else might have done better 
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Mar 30, 2018 18:45
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someone like uh *checks* andy burnham
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Jeremy Corbyn has served admirably in dragging the party to the left and making a left wing platform electorally viable, but in ideal circumstances replacing him would be the best course. Thanks to the relentless monstering he's faced from day one, he's irrevocably tainted in the public eye and is immensely polarising as a result. However, there is no good candidate to replace him. Any newcomer from the party's left would face the same kind of monstering, since it's the ideas rather than the man the press has it in for. And a newcomer wouldn't have the 30+ years of history as a principled left wing voice in parliament to draw upon in order to insulate themselves from a lot of that onslaught. Similarly, lefties of his vintage still kicking around the party would have worse baggage than he has, with McDonnell being Corbyn+, Skinner being very old and not wanting anything to do with leadership and Abbott having the electoral handicap of being the receptacle for the swivel-eyed, racially charged abuse of half the country. Corbyn is pretty much the best leader the left of the party could even dream of at this point in time, any which way you slice it.
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Cerebral Bore posted:yeah so maybe Jezza closed a 20-point gap in about two months, but have you considered that somebody else might have done better Nobody else would have created that gap in the first place.
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Mar 30, 2018 19:11
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man wrong about every political claim he's ever made makes new claim
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Mar 30, 2018 19:16
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Cerebral Bore posted:man wrong about every political claim he's ever made makes new claim the only such claim I’ve ever got wrong was Brexit
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Mar 30, 2018 19:20
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MikeCrotch posted:don't look at consumer debt figure s. DO NOT OH NO I LOOKED 
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Mar 30, 2018 19:41
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handjobs first brexit
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Mar 30, 2018 19:42
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Hire me Labour
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Mar 30, 2018 19:43
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Cumstoms Union
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Single Market more like Single Marcunt
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European oval office of human shite. The possibilities are endless.
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:Cumstoms Union marxist-jizzinist
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If Labour isn’t going to at least put up a feeble opposition to the brexit then how will they be able to really hang it around the tories necks?
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hakimashou posted:If Labour isn’t going to at least put up a feeble opposition to the brexit then how will they be able to really hang it around the tories necks? Because the tories are the ones who did it?
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Mar 30, 2018 21:47
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"Well you didn't exactly stop us" has never worked as a counter to "you did it"
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Cerebral Bore posted:i mean, they've already tried literally everything else they haven't accused him of being a witch yet
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Gum posted:Because the tories are the ones who did it? The tories were anti brexit same as labour before the referendum and now they are both pro-brexit though.
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TomViolence posted:Jeremy Corbyn has served admirably in dragging the party to the left and making a left wing platform electorally viable, but in ideal circumstances replacing him would be the best course. Thanks to the relentless monstering he's faced from day one, he's irrevocably tainted in the public eye and is immensely polarising as a result. I think "irrevocably tainted" is a stretch but yeah this sums it up pretty well
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Yinlock posted:they haven't accused him of being a witch yet Tim Farron is going to accuse Corbyn of turning him gay via voodoo magic Yinlock posted:I think "irrevocably tainted" is a stretch but yeah this sums it up pretty well I think they mean more people either love or hate Corbyn at this point and nothing from the media is probably going to change people's minds
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Mar 30, 2018 23:27
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hakimashou posted:The tories were anti brexit same as labour before the referendum and now they are both pro-brexit though. The tories were pro Iraq war
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Gum posted:The tories were pro Iraq war That made it even dumber to hold it against labour though. Anyway since they fired Owen Smith for crossing Farage, you'll be able to have stories like "A leading Labour politician called for the British PEOPLE to get the FINAL SAY in the brexit and was FIRED by CORBYN."
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Corbyn good?
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Good at supporting anti-semites.
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Corbyn good Tories real bad Pissflaps the worst
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Pissflaps posted:the only such claim I’ve ever got wrong was Brexit
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Gorn Myson posted:And Brendan Rodgers never taking Liverpool to a top 4 spot. Thats not political.
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however dumb a decision it was— however flukey the result— a majority of British citizens voted for brexit. to say “well it’s stupid so we can’t do it” is electoral suicide because it’s fundamentally anti democratic. the people chose wrong, but they chose, and the choice was up to them. corbs knows this.
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Good way to deal with that is to let people choose again.
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Mar 31, 2018 01:29
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Hmm yes an election didn't get the result we wanted, clearly we should just keep repeating it until it gives the 'right' result. This is not at all suspect.
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rudatron posted:Hmm yes an election didn't get the result we wanted, clearly we should just keep repeating it until it gives the 'right' result. This is not at all suspect. If its what you gotta do to get the right result its what you gotta do.
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rudatron posted:Hmm yes an election didn't get the result we wanted, clearly we should just keep repeating it until it gives the 'right' result. This is not at all suspect. Britain implementing “best of three” elections except during playoffs week, when all proposals are double elimination in best of five series
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hakimashou posted:That made it even dumber to hold it against labour though.
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hakimashou posted:That made it even dumber to hold it against labour though. I'm sorry the world doesn't conform to your naive idealism, hakimashou.
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jBrereton posted:Owen Smith was never a leading Labour politician. Especially after he gave up his until-that-point lifelong CND principles to complain that Corbyn was Weak on Nukes during the election. Vile. my fav. political pic of all time is still this moron who CANNOT BELIEVE that corbyn doesn't love nukes 
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