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pienipple
Mar 20, 2009

That's wrong!

The Lone Badger posted:

I thought the immune system was excluded from the cerebrospinal fluid?

There are immune cells in the brain area, they just don't get to pass back and forth with the general population. If they get the signal to gently caress up your think meat they will.

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Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

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pienipple posted:

There are immune cells in the brain area, they just don't get to pass back and forth with the general population. If they get the signal to gently caress up your think meat they will.

So would that mean they wouldn't get the signal since they'd be part of the offending body part? Could the new brain trigger the entire foreign immune system to attack itself?

the old ceremony
Aug 1, 2017

by FactsAreUseless
assvoles

Shady Amish Terror
Oct 11, 2007
I'm not Amish by choice. 8(
So a little quick refresher reading to make sure I still have a (shaky) grasp of the concept now done, I'm going to posit that beyond the many OBVIOUS ways that the head transplant idea is a bizarre farce, the idea that a head transplant would be protected from rejection is really, really false. The blood-brain barrier does limit the flow of antibodies into neural tissue, but the barrier isn't complete because the brain does have to be able to send (and in some cases potentially receive) hormonal signals through the blood. That means that there are sites within the brain where the blood-brain barrier leaks. This mostly works alright in limiting the damage of some toxins on the brain, but when you're talking about prolonged immune-system response, I really don't think it's going to hold up.

Also, have I mentioned the whole idea is patently insane?

I mean, we're still talking about the guy who threatened to sue because his likeness was very obviously being used in a Metal Gear Solid game, right? The guy who's complaining that peer review processes and things like 'ethics' are standing in the way of him doing mad science?

Even if he was right, and can successfully transplant a head onto a new body, he's still crazy.


Solice Kirsk posted:

So would that mean they wouldn't get the signal since they'd be part of the offending body part? Could the new brain trigger the entire foreign immune system to attack itself?

The human body is a quirky, interesting thing. So, the immune system is...not controlled by the brain, so much. It's mostly autonomous, and relies on the individual actions of immune cells and their interaction with other tissues (like bone marrow, which produces immune system cells; there are also other glands and organs that produce, regulate, or accumulate defensive cells). It's very complex and not especially centralized. So, no. Your brain cannot do that.

pienipple
Mar 20, 2009

That's wrong!
Some of the little fuckers start making a signal that the fatty glob inside your skull should be evicted and they all go along with it.

Next thing you know you can't walk and your brain's full of lesions.

Ariong
Jun 25, 2012

Get bashed, platonist!

Funeral home horrors put spotlight on spotty US regulations

This article is a bit flowery at the beginning, but wow. I guess I never thought about what happens when a funeral home runs out of cash. No pictures of bodies, descriptions aren’t especially graphic. Highlight:

quote:

When the family tried to retrieve Myrna Duffer's remains, an employee took 45 minutes before returning with a white paper bag filled with ashes, the couple's daughter, Patricia Williams, said. There was nothing to indicate the ashes were Duffer's.

uranium grass
Jan 15, 2005

That drat Satyr posted:

Honestly, this echos my own feelings. I never wanted kids, and only after getting pregnant and subsequently terminating was I 100% sure kids were never going to be in my future. I had a tubal, then just two years ago ended up having to get a total hysterectomy because surprise endometriosis.

People need to know what it was like before we had laws that protect and regulate these things. It's heartbreaking to me that this exact thing is still happening right now in 2017 in countries where abortion is criminalized.

Vice did a really good short documentary on the situation in the Philippines, where women that miscarry are being locked up for murder and getting an abortion is sketch as hell.

https://video.vice.com/en_us/video/year-of-mercy/56d46b157c65e59c10557a30?latest=1


Ha, well don't get too excited. It still seems to be up, only... The link changed or something?

https://imgur.com/a/sdHPto

Is there still a link to this somewhere? This one's dead.
e: nvm

RC and Moon Pie
May 5, 2011

Ariong posted:

Funeral home horrors put spotlight on spotty US regulations

This article is a bit flowery at the beginning, but wow. I guess I never thought about what happens when a funeral home runs out of cash. No pictures of bodies, descriptions aren’t especially graphic. Highlight:

I thought I was about to get a story on the Tri-State Crematory case, but this is something much different.

And on the other hand, the Tri-State Crematory case, where the owner of the crematory, for reasons unknown, stopped cremating. The equipment was found to be in working order. Bodies were hidden in the woods around the property.

AtomD
May 3, 2009

Fun Shoe

A Pinball Wizard posted:

It reminds me of the guy who received a penis transplant in China, and it totally went fine and there were no complications but he asked them to cut it back off because his new donger was just TOO AWESOME YOU GUYS NO REALLY I SWEAR

In nicer news, the guy who got himself a new donger in South Africa in 2014 is doing well. The same team recently did another successful transplant. They gave a black guy a white dick, so if you’re a bad stand-up comedian there’s five minutes for you.
http://www.heraldlive.co.za/news/2017/05/22/sas-second-penis-transplant-recipient-one-happy-patient/

Alien Sex Manual
Dec 14, 2010

is not a sandwich

AtomD posted:

In nicer news, the guy who got himself a new donger in South Africa in 2014 is doing well. The same team recently did another successful transplant. They gave a black guy a white dick, so if you’re a bad stand-up comedian there’s five minutes for you.
http://www.heraldlive.co.za/news/2017/05/22/sas-second-penis-transplant-recipient-one-happy-patient/

I'm glad he got a new dick but

quote:

File picture: Adrian de Kock

:mmmhmm:

Pretty good
Apr 16, 2007



pienipple posted:

Auto immune encephalitis.

You don't even need a head transplant or a history of auto immune disease. I just started shaking like crazy one day, passed out in the ER and woke up a week later with permanent brain damage.
:stare:

I would like to know more if you're willing to share

Flopstick
Jul 10, 2011

Top Cop

Killingyouguy! posted:

Not sure if a direct link is kosher here, but I just finished watching a documentary called The Drug Trial: Emergency at the Hospital, about the 2006 first-in-humans trial of a drug called TGN1412. It had been shown to be safe in monkeys, but due to a small difference in monkey's and humans immune systems, sent all the participants (aside from the placebo recipients, obviously) into multiple organ failure. Luckily the trial was being conducted at a hospital (which at the time was not a requirement) so the ICU they got rushed to was just downstairs. Everyone survived, though one participant had to have his fingers and toes amputated after they began to rot away.

These things happen more than you'd think. The reason that one got so much publicity is that the girlfriend of one of the participants was a BBC reporter, iirc. A while back, I worked for a company that had to abandon one of its pipeline drugs because it made every single one of the study subjects go blind. I was a bit shocked when an independent researcher in the US sought permission to run another study with it around five years later. I left before finding out what happened with that, but supposedly the company were contractually obliged to supply him with the drug based on a contract they'd signed back when everything was still peachy, so maybe he did.

On the plus side, both the studies you mentioned led to tightening of the European guidelines and regulations to guard against the same mistakes in protocol design occurring again.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

AtomD posted:

In nicer news, the guy who got himself a new donger in South Africa in 2014 is doing well. The same team recently did another successful transplant. They gave a black guy a white dick, so if you’re a bad stand-up comedian there’s five minutes for you.
http://www.heraldlive.co.za/news/2017/05/22/sas-second-penis-transplant-recipient-one-happy-patient/

So much for never going back.

Also it adds new dimensions to the carpet matching the curtains.

pienipple
Mar 20, 2009

That's wrong!

The Big Word posted:

:stare:

I would like to know more if you're willing to share

That's pretty much it, my body decided to try to murder me one day.

Don't be a dick, you could wake up one day and your whole loving life is gone. People life to think they're in control and it can't happen to them, but it can.

Zopotantor
Feb 24, 2013

...und ist er drin dann lassen wir ihn niemals wieder raus...

Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:

Isn't a Wasp Factory a Hive?

In the book, the protagonist has constructed a device out of an old clock that he calls “the wasp factory”. He uses it for divination, by introducing a live wasp in the middle and observing it making its way to one of several (12?) chambers where it will be killed in various ways, like crushing or falling into acid.

This is the least hosed-up thing the protagonist does to animals.

His brother is worse.

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer

Tell me more about these voles

littlebluellama
Jun 18, 2013

I am kind, brave and deserve love.

AtomD posted:

In nicer news, the guy who got himself a new donger in South Africa in 2014 is doing well. The same team recently did another successful transplant. They gave a black guy a white dick, so if you’re a bad stand-up comedian there’s five minutes for you.
http://www.heraldlive.co.za/news/2017/05/22/sas-second-penis-transplant-recipient-one-happy-patient/

How are they doing these circumcisions if 250 penises a year are being accidentally "partially or completely amputated?" Like, 'oops, there goes your dick.' What? Are they using like a itty bitty guillotine instead of a scalpel? Are these being done by lay-persons instead of doctors? Maybe figure that poo poo out.

Gum
Mar 9, 2008

oho, a rapist
time to try this puppy out

littlebluellama posted:

How are they doing these circumcisions if 250 penises a year are being accidentally "partially or completely amputated?" Like, 'oops, there goes your dick.' What? Are they using like a itty bitty guillotine instead of a scalpel? Are these being done by lay-persons instead of doctors? Maybe figure that poo poo out.

It's just an inherent risk of the operation. The US likely has has similar levels but we don't know for sure as the us doesn't collect stats on botched circumcisions

InequalityGodzilla
May 31, 2012

RC and Moon Pie posted:

I thought I was about to get a story on the Tri-State Crematory case, but this is something much different.

And on the other hand, the Tri-State Crematory case, where the owner of the crematory, for reasons unknown, stopped cremating. The equipment was found to be in working order. Bodies were hidden in the woods around the property.

I like how the timeline on the wiki page is basically "got called in, found nothing, got called in, found nothing, got called in, found nothing, got called in, found a skull, lost it" followed immediately by

quote:

On Feb. 15, 2002, investigators returned, finding piles of rotting human bodies in a storage shed, in vaults and scattered throughout the property.

Perhaps they should have been looking a bit more thoroughly?

littlebluellama posted:

How are they doing these circumcisions if 250 penises a year are being accidentally "partially or completely amputated?" Like, 'oops, there goes your dick.' What? Are they using like a itty bitty guillotine instead of a scalpel? Are these being done by lay-persons instead of doctors? Maybe figure that poo poo out.

Hooplah
Jul 15, 2006


We do have a pretty good self-reporting tool online though https://www.reddit.com/r/Incels/

AtomD
May 3, 2009

Fun Shoe

littlebluellama posted:

How are they doing these circumcisions if 250 penises a year are being accidentally "partially or completely amputated?" Like, 'oops, there goes your dick.' What? Are they using like a itty bitty guillotine instead of a scalpel? Are these being done by lay-persons instead of doctors? Maybe figure that poo poo out.

The procedure is done as part of a rite of passage ceremony that’s supposed to be shrouded in secrecy. It’s not really uncommon knowledge, though, and there’s discussions about it every year.

quote:

At least 969 initiates have died from complications resulting from the ritual since 1995. Accurate statistics are not available for the number of penile amputations, but it is estimated that their number is roughly twice the number of deaths.[6] Most deaths and complications are the result of incompetence on the part of traditional practitioners.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulwaluko

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



Gum posted:

It's just an inherent risk of the operation. The US likely has has similar levels but we don't know for sure as the us doesn't collect stats on botched circumcisions
Well that's just wrong. We collect a ton of information on circumcisions. The botch rate is low enough that it's not statistically relevant from year to year.

Kirk Vikernes
Apr 26, 2004

Count Goatnackh

Terrible Opinions posted:

Well that's just wrong. We collect a ton of information on circumcisions. The botch rate is low enough that it's not statistically relevant from year to year.

:thurman:

That Damn Satyr
Nov 4, 2008

A connoisseur of fine junk
Here, as promised - the post from IMGUR that for some reason doesn't work for some people. Hiding several pics behind spoiler tags for obvious NWS/NMS gore and dead bodies. Sorry to those with a delicate constitution that have already looked at this once. :smith:

Edit: Please note that *all* linked images are :nws:. I tried to label them all, but I might have missed one. Honestly, you're reading a post about the horrors of abortion, maybe don't look at these pictures if your boss is standing over your shoulder.

quote:

The deadly results of back alley abortions

:nws: https://i.imgur.com/sS5zG7v.jpg

This is a photograph of Gerri Santoro the day after her death in 1963. Santoro was raised, along with 14 siblings, on the farm of a Ukrainian-American family in Coventry, Connecticut. She was described by those who knew her as "fun-loving" and "free-spirited". At age 18, she married Sam Santoro, a few weeks after meeting him at a bus stop. The couple went on to have two daughters together. In 1963, domestic violence prompted Santoro to leave her husband, and she and her daughters returned to her childhood home. She took a job at Mansfield State Training School, where she met another employee, Clyde Dixon. The two began an extramarital affair — Dixon was also married — and Santoro became pregnant as a result. When Sam Santoro announced he was coming from California to visit his daughters, Gerri Santoro feared for her life. On June 8, 1964, six-and-a-half months into her pregnancy, she and Dixon checked into a motel in Norwich, Connecticut, under aliases. Their intent was to perform a self-induced abortion, using surgical instruments and a textbook, which Dixon had obtained from a co-worker at the Mansfield school. However, when Santoro began to hemorrhage, Dixon fled the motel. She died, at age 28, and her body was found the following morning by a maid. Dixon was apprehended three days later. He was charged with manslaughter and "conspiracy to commit abortion" and sentenced to a year and a day in prison. Police officers who worked on the case called this term "negligible".

Surveys in New York City in the mid-1960s revealed the variety of methods used for illegal home abortions. Treatments women took by mouth included turpentine, bleach, detergents and a range of herbal and vegetable teas. Quinine and chloroquine (malaria medicines) were ingested, and potassium permanganate was placed in the vagina, often causing chemical burns. Toxic solutions were squirted into the uterus, such as soap and turpentine, often causing kidney failure and death.


Police Officers escort a woman to the hospital after a raid on an illegal abortion in progress in 1944 (via The Atlantic)

Until the mid 1800's, abortions were legal and available in the United States. Both the state and the church permitted abortions if they occurred before quickening, when the mother first perceived fetal movement. In 1847, the newly formed American Medical Association began a campaign to professionalize medicine by outlawing what it called quackery. Included in its ban were midwives and herbalists, who had provided abortion and maternity care in their communities for centuries. During the second half of the nineteenth century, Victorian society began to condemn women seeking abortions as selfish, immoral and shirking the duty of motherhood. Protestant and Catholic churches joined the medical establishment in expressing their condemnation. Meanwhile, legislation restricting abortion continued to spread, and by the turn of the century, both birth control and abortion were illegal in most states. If a woman needed medical treatment after a botched abortion, she faced a humiliating and dangerous situation. Even though infected and bleeding, she was often required to testify against her husband or lover and the abortionist before she could receive medical care. Case file 193012_271 involved a woman who died due to bichloride of mercury poisoning. She had been given a box of tablets labeled: "Dr. Pierce's Golden Metal [or Medal?] Capsules" to cause an abortion when inserted vaginally. The tablet caused severe chemical burns to the area of application and tissue necrosis throughout her body. There were also chemical burns along her esophagus and mouth caused by repeated vomiting of blood, so the amount of bichloride of mercury she ingested must have been very large. It appears, reading between the lines, that she had been the mistress of the man who gave her the tablets, and her husband had been acting as her pimp, collecting money for the services.



The most commonly used foreign body was the catheter, readily available in drusgstores without a prescription. Sometimes a metal stylet was threaded through the catheter so that the tip would be rigid enough to insert through the cervix. Often a coat hanger served the same purpose. Underground abortionists used two main catheter techniques. Sometimes they inserted the catheter and then removed it almost immediately. With this method, the foreign substance the uterus tries to expel is not the catheter but the infection it leaves behind, though in some cases the uterus contracts simply in response to the irritation cause by the introduction of the catheter.”

LANA I was seventeen years old. I was married. And ten months after I was married I had a baby girl. She was very ill, very jaundiced, and the doctor told me, the OB-GYN who had delivered her told me that if I ever had another child, I would die. Three months later, I was pregnant again. And I was absolutely terrified. So I went back to him and I said, "Am I pregnant?" And he said, "Yes." He said, "I told you not to get pregnant." And I said, "But you didn't tell me how not to." I couldn't have that baby, because if I did, and I died, who would take care of the little baby I had? And so I asked the young women where I worked, I worked at a Walgreen drugstore, and I asked them if there was somebody who could help me do something. You didn't say the word abortion in those days. And they knew what I wanted. And they sent me to a woman, and she told me that she would do it for fifty dollars. This was in 1939, and fifty dollars was a lot of money. And I worked hard, and I sold everything I had that I could get a few pennies for, and I eventually got my fifty dollars, and I went out to see this woman. And she put, I think it was a strip of slippery elm bark, and she inserted this up my uterus. And she said, now you go home, and that will swell up, and you will have pain, and you will probably have some temperature, but you will have a miscarriage.


1940 Press Photo Walter Anderson Invest & May Ramsey Arrested Abortion Ring

Lana (contd): Two days later I had a screaming fever, and I was in such pain...and so I went back out to see this woman. And she lived in a shack. And she met me at the door, and she said, "I told you not to come back." And I said, "I have nowhere else to go." And so she cleaned me up. And I was so frightened, and I was in tears, and she put her arms around me like that, and she just held me up to her chest for a minute and she said, "Honey, did you think it was so easy to be a woman?" I'll never forget that...never forget the kindness of that woman even under those terrible circumstances. And so, she said, "This time you go," she gave me some aspirin, she said, "Don't you ever come back again." And that was the last I saw of her. And I had a roaring fever for about three or four days, and then I got better. And I went back to see my doctor, when I got the money for the visit, and I told him. I said, "I had something done." And he said, "Well, I figured a smart kid like you would figure a way out of it." And I looked at him then, and I thought, how could he? How could he? This was a man trained and licensed, and he turned me away, and I had to go out and find this woman to do this... And it was to save my very own life.



Isabella Higgs, 21 February 1924. Higgs was arrested in the company of Thomas Bernard Hooper (39), Harold George Hooper (34), Vera Crichton, (23), and Nancy Cowman (19), the others being charged with "conspiring together to procure a miscarriage" on Higgs. 

ROSALIE There was this whole kind of thing that we had to keep it an absolute secret and it was a humiliating strange kind of experience. And so I decided I should have an abortion. I didn't know what it would be, I didn't really understand the implications in the fact that it was illegal. So I said--well it was just like, it would make this problem go away. The day came, and they took me to a motel, several miles from Boise. It was a dirty motel. And I was alone with this woman, and I remember what she looked like really well. She was... She was dirty, too. And, uh, not friendly, really. Divorced from the proceedings. And she gave me a cervical puncture. And I remember the steel tool, you know. And then she told me to go, and that there would be blood, but it would be all right, But the fact is that I didn't abort, and uh, I just bled a lot, and it was incredibly painful, and I got a bad infection. And they started looking for a doctor, because I just kept bleeding and bleeding, and uh, not aborting. And finally they found a doctor. He gave me some medication to make me abort. And I aborted at home, so that if he were caught, he would be able to prove that the process had been initiated before he became involved. And he explained that to me. That he wanted to be able to help other women who found themselves in my position. And that the only way he could protect himself was that. And so that was I... I had to do that alone.

:nws: http://i.imgur.com/zwoAZzD.jpg
Botched at home abortions (taken to the hospital too late)


BETTY I didn't tell anyone except the father. And when I saw his reaction, I didn't tell anyone else. I just thought well, this is my problem and I'll have to deal with it. And the only thing I could do was to get an abortion. Because to have a baby without a husband just was not done. I just went to the telephone directory, and I looked up obstetricians, gynecologists, and I looked for a gynecologist that didn't advertise as an obstetrician, and I thought maybe he would be most sympathetic. And it turned out he was.

TERRY There were many physicians who were supportive of abortion, who felt it should be available and provided safely for women. But they were afraid to do them themselves. Sometimes the fear was because they didn't want to be found out or would be censured. But very often, their fear was, and rightly I think, that as soon as word got out that they were willing to do abortions, they would be flooded with requests. One of the doctors who started off thinking he would do a few abortions, and who found himself getting referrals of women from all over the United States, was Dr. Curtis Boyd. In 1965, he began to do abortions for women referred to him by ministers. Over the course of the next eight years, he did thousands of abortions.

[url]]http://i.imgur.com/oHRzwXT.jpg[/url]

DR. BOYD I began to realize how difficult it was for women to obtain the service, how desperately women needed it and wanted it, and to what lengths they would go to obtain it, even to readily risking their life. People talk about it as though women didn't know that. That didn't matter. Women risked their life every day to get an abortion somewhere in this country. Many of them did. Without hesitation.

EVELYN I just really literally walked up and down the streets. I was by myself, and I would go from one place to another, and they would all be in the same situation. They would say, "Nobody's there," "I don't know what you're taking about," and "Oh, they've moved away..." Finally, one day, I heard of a place. Nobody answered the phone, but I got in the car and I went there, and I knocked on the door, sort of after hours, like evening, early evening... I was the only one there... He did not give me anything, there was no anesthesia at all. And it was very painful and I had no idea it was supposed to be painful. I thought maybe he had done something terrible -- he was doing something terrible to me. And so it was a frightening experience. That was frightening.

DR. ARMSTRONG I went to medical school in New York City in the 50's, when abortions were illegal, and every day the city hospital that my medical school staffed would have twenty or thirty women come in infected, bleeding, and dying from abortions they had induced themselves, and the coat-hanger trick was used, or they had a friend that had a catheter, and they'd leave the catheter in until--for a day or two, and she was bleeding and cramping, and they'd come in... And that's not an exaggeration, I think it was true in any major city area in this country in the 50's.


Soaps, turpentine, etc and the syringes used to inject these substances into the uterus

Dr. Daniel Mishell, Jr., of Los Angeles, remembers conditions before Roe: Surveys in New York City in the mid-1960s revealed the variety of methods used. Treatments women took by mouth included turpentine, bleach, detergents and a range of herbal and vegetable teas. Quinine and chloroquine (malaria medicines) were ingested, and potassium permanganate was placed in the vagina, often causing chemical burns. Toxic solutions were squirted into the uterus, such as soap and turpentine, often causing kidney failure and death. This was the technique used by Vera Drake, the protagonist of Mike Leigh’s 2004 award-winning movie. Insertion of foreign bodies was common and more effective than oral agents. Objects included a coat hanger, knitting needle, bicycle spoke, ball-point pen, chicken bone and rubber catheter. Some women threw themselves off of stairs or roofs in an attempt to end a pregnancy. As a young doctor, I removed a rubber catheter from the uterus of a woman with fever of 106 degrees. A dietitian in a nearby city had inserted the catheter through her cervix to induce an abortion. Physicians younger than me have not encountered these tragedies.


Source: http://www.thestoryinstitute.com/abortion/

They jabbed into their uteruses with knitting needles and coat hangers, which Mishell sometimes found still inside them. They stuck in bicycle pump nozzles, sometimes sending a fatal burst of air to the heart. They’d try to insert chemicals — drain cleaner, fertilizer, radiator-flush — and miss the cervix, corrode an artery and bleed to death. Mishell once put a catheter into a woman’s bladder and ‘got a tablespoon of motor oil.’I’m telling you, it was really an awful situation. It touched me because I’d see young, [otherwise] healthy women in their 20s die from the consequences of an infected nonsterile abortion. Women would do anything to get rid of unwanted pregnancies. They’d risk their lives. It was a different world, I’ll tell you.

EVELYN I just really literally walked up and down the streets. I was by myself, and I would go from one place to another, and they would all be in the same situation. They would say, "Nobody's there," "I don't know what you're taking about," and "Oh, they've moved away..." Finally, one day, I heard of a place. Nobody answered the phone, but I got in the car and I went there, and I knocked on the door, sort of after hours, like evening, early evening... I was the only one there... He did not give me anything, there was no anesthesia at all. And it was very painful and I had no idea it was supposed to be painful. I thought maybe he had done something terrible -- he was doing something terrible to me. And so it was a frightening experience. That was frightening. Throughout the years of criminal abortion, an aura of danger surrounded unwanted pregnancies. Women drank toxic substances. Unscrupulous practitioners administered caustic douches of Lysol and Clorox. Reports of rape and other sexual abuse by abortionists were common.

DR. HODGSON At that time, shotgun marriages were in vogue. And, there were all these youngsters getting married, which never--I assumed saw that that never solved anything. It only made the matters worse. The marriages never lasted, the children suffered, and it was a miserable situation. And then we went through the period when we were sending girls to homes for the unwed mothers that were all over the country, and they were expected to work part time, and give up their child for adoption. And those were--that was a very sad situation, because you would see a young woman come in, if she was a school girl she would have to go off, leave home, and everyone knew why... and her life was really wrecked. Socially and academically, and everything else. And it was the young that really got to me, seeing some of these youngsters, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, their mothers would bring them in, and it was just a horrible thing. As public awareness grew about the consequences of illegal abortion, lawmakers and clergy joined with the medical establishment in pressing for reforms. In states where therapeutic abortions were permitted, some doctors were lenient so they could provide more women with safe abortions.


Putting slippery elm next to the cervix was a common method.

DR. PAULSEN I heard about these two coeds at Stanford who went to Tijuana and obtained illegal abortions. The first was a girl who came back with a fulminating septicemia and who subsequently died. The second came back and had a severe infection of her reproductive organs, and it was necessary to do a hysterectomy, which rendered her sterile, of course. At the same time, there was in existence in California a law which allowed for medical support with an abortion on non-medical grounds, namely through a psychiatric channel. We would use these channels in order to enable the girl or woman to get a therapeutic abortion. Why did I do this? It was outrage at the way in which women were being treated. Whether there was the reaction of the boyfriend, or fiancé, or husband, some of these responses were grotesque. Some men told the women that "If I had known you were so stupid, I wouldn't have gone with you in the first place." Others told the girl that it's her problem, she's got the baby, he didn't have anything to do with it. A good number of them just took off. Just had no response whatsoever. So where do women who are desperate get help? Lola Huth was the lead dancer of the Jose Limon Dance Company. She was married and the mother of a baby girl when she died from a self-induced abortion. FREDDIE At the time of my lola’s death, I was told she died in childbirth, but that didn't make any sense. Than I was told it was a miscarriage, that she bled to death. The story came to me in bits and pieces over many years.

:nws: http://i.imgur.com/r57sYAC.jpg

Even though she was using an IUD for birth control, Lola became pregnant. A doctor told her that the IUD would probably cause the baby to be deformed, but that removing it might cause a miscarriage. Lola weighed the risks carefully, and decided to have the IUD removed.

FREDDIE She went back for the scheduled appointment, and he said, "I'm sorry, I have consulted with colleagues, and I can not do anything that could implicate me in an illegal act. Right now the whole abortion issue is very, very hot, um... and very controversial, and I just can't implicate myself. And she said, "Well, then I am inclined to believe I will do it myself." And he said "All right, well I tell you what to do, I'll tell you how to do it, and when you're in the process of miscarriage, you can call me, you can go to the hospital, and then I'll be able to help you without jeopardizing my own position." So that was her plan. When removing the IUD didn't cause a miscarriage, Lola became desperate. She sought a way to end the pregnancy herself. She purchased a couple of tubes, plastic tubes, and what she was told to do was insert these tubes into the cervix, and blow air into the cervix, and that would cause her to abort. So she filed a sharp point, and had punctured a vein, and got air into her bloodstream.

:nws: http://i.imgur.com/84inb5L.jpg

(Ruda and Chipilin are used by women to abort during the first trimester in El Salvador. The infusion of these plants: Ruda and Chipilin are used by women to abort during the first trimester in El Salvador.. Slippery elm insertion sounds especially painful 1909- A 27 year old married woman used a stick of "slippery elm" to induce an abortion, which also caused her death by Septic peritonitis following that abortion. She had told her husband that she had given herself an abortion, but told everyone else she was well until she was confined to her bed and eventually taken to the hospital) This woman died on the 1st May after apparently conducting an abortion of her pregnancy. Her husband reported he had left the house earlier that day and had returned a few hours later to find his wife laying dead on the bed, with a fetus/baby dead in the bucket beside her. The woman had exsanguinated. There was a piece of paper left nearby with written instructions on how to perform the abortion. The husband reports he did not know his wife was pregnant, despite the size of the aborted baby. source-Documentingreality




ROSALIE When we realized I was pregnant again, I told my mother. She asked me if I wanted another abortion, and I said no. I couldn't stand the idea of doing that again. Rosalie had been raped by an older man. She was afraid that another illegal abortion would lead to the same medical complications as before. So she decided to go to a home for unwed mothers, and then give the baby up for adoption.

ROSALIE Everyone told me that if I had any sense, I wouldn't look at the baby, I would just let them take it away and I would never look at the baby, but I did, I let them bring the baby to me and I held the baby, and that was a terrible mistake. And then I owed some money, for my board and room and medical, and so I stayed for a while and I worked in the nursery to work the money off. And that was a very bad mistake because I was just around babies all the time. And I wanted to keep the baby, and I actually held the baby before they took it oh, god... And anybody who would think that'd be a great way to solve the problem is just... I mean, you take a child who doesn't even know her own mind, a seventeen year old young woman, and ask her to carry a baby in her body till --for nine months, and then give birth to it and then just give it away, like it's --like it's nothing...


Tools collected from illegal abortionist's workplace in 1955

Dr G ishell, Jr., of Los Angeles, remembers conditions before Roe: They jabbed into their uteruses with knitting needles and coat hangers, which Mishell sometimes found still inside them. They stuck in bicycle pump nozzles, sometimes sending a fatal burst of air to the heart. They’d try to insert chemicals — drain cleaner, fertilizer, radiator-flush — and miss the cervix, corrode an artery and bleed to death. Mishell once put a catheter into a woman’s bladder and ‘got a tablespoon of motor oil.’ I’m telling you, it was really an awful situation. It touched me because I’d see young, [otherwise] healthy women in their 20s die from the consequences of an infected nonsterile abortion. Women would do anything to get rid of unwanted pregnancies. They’d risk their lives. It was a different world, I’ll tell you. Septic wards Every large municipal hospital in the U.S. had a “septic ward,” filled with women suffering from infections after these interventions. At Bellevue Hospital in New York City from 1940-1954, more than 7,000 cases of incomplete abortion were treated, and a third were complicated by infection. http://www.newsgrio.com/articles/81663-sydney-s-backstreet-abortionist-sisters-of-early-1900s-jailed-for-murdering-women.html http://coronercasefile.pbworks.com/w/page/16511989/Abortion%20deaths Source of all descriptions apart from first and 2nd to last photo



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Ellie Crabcakes
Feb 1, 2008

Stop emailing my boyfriend Gay Crungus

That drat Satyr posted:

Here, as promised - the post from IMGUR that for some reason doesn't work for some people. Hiding several pics behind spoiler tags for obvious NWS/NMS gore and dead bodies. Sorry to those with a delicate constitution that have already looked at this once. :smith:
What the gently caress is wrong with you?

POOL IS CLOSED
Jul 14, 2011

I'm just exploding with mackerel. This is the aji wo kutta of my discontent.
Pillbug
Seeing the outcome of public health policy is in the public's interest.

That said, the spoiler images should probably just be linked with :nws: since spoilered images still load into browsers, which can cause problems for anyone browsing from their workplace internet.

Mister Mind
Mar 20, 2009

I'm not a real doctor,
But I am a real worm;
I am an actual worm

John Big Booty posted:

What the gently caress is wrong with you?

There's absolutely nothing wrong with That drat Satyr.

Never again.

Trauma Dog 3000
Aug 30, 2017

by SA Support Robot

John Big Booty posted:

What the gently caress is wrong with you?

we're all adults, we should all look at this.

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer

John Big Booty posted:

What the gently caress is wrong with you?

Don’t read the thread if you’re a goddamn moron child who can’t handle poo poo maybe

Mx.
Dec 16, 2006

I'm a great fan! When I watch TV I'm always saying "That's political correctness gone mad!"
Why thankyew!


John Big Booty posted:

What the gently caress is wrong with you?

Excuse you

Loomer
Dec 19, 2007

A Very Special Hell

John Big Booty posted:

What the gently caress is wrong with you?

Yes, how dare they repost content some people expressed an interest in seeing.

Alien Sex Manual
Dec 14, 2010

is not a sandwich

Yeah what is wrong with the person bringing light to what a bunch of assholes are trying to bring back into public policy? That's the most horribly unnerving part of what was posted, not the dead women.

Freudian slippers
Jun 23, 2009
US Goon shocked and appalled to find that world is a dirty, unjust place

POOL IS CLOSED posted:

That said, the spoiler images should probably just be linked with :nws: since spoilered images still load into browsers, which can cause problems for anyone browsing from their workplace internet.

Yeah, link that poo poo.

E:

RC and Moon Pie posted:

I thought I was about to get a story on the Tri-State Crematory case, but this is something much different.

And on the other hand, the Tri-State Crematory case, where the owner of the crematory, for reasons unknown, stopped cremating. The equipment was found to be in working order. Bodies were hidden in the woods around the property.

Browsing the Tri-State Crematory case, I found that the owner was represented in court by McCracken Poston who defended the original Lowtax during his murder trial!

Freudian slippers has a new favorite as of 13:01 on Oct 30, 2017

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

POOL IS CLOSED posted:

Seeing the outcome of public health policy is in the public's interest.

That said, the spoiler images should probably just be linked with :nws: since spoilered images still load into browsers, which can cause problems for anyone browsing from their workplace internet.

You really should not be reading SA on work computers.

POOL IS CLOSED
Jul 14, 2011

I'm just exploding with mackerel. This is the aji wo kutta of my discontent.
Pillbug

Pick posted:

You really should not be reading SA on work computers.

But people do anyway. Truly unnerving.

Helios Grime
Jan 27, 2012

Where we are going we won't need shirts
Pillbug
In other news, it seems the Danish submarine guy admitted to cutting up the body of the journalist. Still denying to killing her though.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41804590

Ariong
Jun 25, 2012

Get bashed, platonist!

(...)and she was dead! It was very traumatic, you understand. The proper thing would have been to go to the police but I wasn’t quite thinking logically. I’m sure I’m not the first person who failed to go to the police after finding a dead body, right? Right. So anyway, then I grabbed my hacksaw and some plastic bags...

Well Manicured Man
Aug 21, 2010

Well Manicured Mort
"It's true! I chopped her up. But I didn't kill her!"

Bet this guy has a singing carnivorous plant in his basement.

Sarcopenia
May 14, 2014

Helios Grime posted:

In other news, it seems the Danish submarine guy admitted to cutting up the body of the journalist. Still denying to killing her though.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41804590
:cripes:

Why would you not just start out with this explanation. Why would the hatch accident be a better explanation than carbon monoxide poisoning? Dude just confess to killing her, you're only making things worse for yourself.
He only confessed to it because they found the saw (which a witness very early on in the case saw him bring to the submarine right before their departure.) that he had used to dismember her with.

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Helios Grime
Jan 27, 2012

Where we are going we won't need shirts
Pillbug
So I think it is time to place bets on who will be cast to play the involved parties for the movie screening in 2 years.

My pick for lead actors.

Daniel Craig - Peter Madsen
Christina Hendriks - Kim Wall

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