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I'm looking forward to the new 4th Generation Gangrel Elder Vampire McVampFace. His unique rank 8 Protean power turns him into a boat
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The new plot reminds me of the werewolf writers in 2nd and revised who seemed to think "the Sabbat are evil, therefore they and Penrex would get on!" despite the Wyrm being exactly the kind of thing the Inquisition murders the poo poo out of vampires for getting involved with.
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Pope Guilty posted:The new plot reminds me of the werewolf writers in 2nd and revised who seemed to think "the Sabbat are evil, therefore they and Penrex would get on!" despite the Wyrm being exactly the kind of thing the Inquisition murders the poo poo out of vampires for getting involved with. The Black Spiral and the Sabbat are friends!  Gangrel Antitribu only though.
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I, for one, cannot wait until we find out what is behind "The Islam" doing against "The West". You know, that strong and singular entity known, "The Islam".
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May 12, 2017 22:52
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Mors Rattus posted:I look forward to the return of 'mail in postcards saying what your groups did.' Is this seriously a thing they did? Is this going to be driving the metaplot in oWoD? i've never been more glad to only care about nWoD
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Xinder posted:Is this seriously a thing they did? Is this going to be driving the metaplot in oWoD? It was definitely a thing for AEG games, at least.
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Loomer posted:Apparently the community-decided metaplot will also be dictated by vidyagamez and 'other interactive media'. So what, they're going to do a Telltale VtM story? (That wouldn't be so bad as a concept, to be honest, but still: 'Smiling Jack will remember that.') As someone who just finished Bloodlines last night: there's hope for good videogames. I had a few problems with the plot but overall that's a pretty drat good game. If Obsidian were hired on to make a new RPG there could actually be good and interesting. At least, the possibility exists...maybe...
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Xinder posted:As someone who just finished Bloodlines last night: there's hope for good videogames. I had a few problems with the plot but overall that's a pretty drat good game. If Obsidian were hired on to make a new RPG there could actually be good and interesting. At least, the possibility exists...maybe... I doubt it. Over a year ago I would have said it, but then they brought on Obsidian. Instead of having Obsidian work on a new VtM or any oWoD game, they licensed it out for slot machines and had a studio most known for its writing work on the brand-new IP Tyranny. They went with slot machines over Obsidian. There is no hope. Edit: Oh, and they brought on Cyanide to do a Werewolf game. A company I had some hopes for given Styx: Master of Shadows but have lost that hope after Styx: Shards of Darkness.
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Ironslave posted:I doubt it. Over a year ago I would have said it, but then they brought on Obsidian. Instead of having Obsidian work on a new VtM or any oWoD game, they licensed it out for slot machines and had a studio most known for its writing work on the brand-new IP Tyranny.
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Nessus posted:You know, a lot of IPs are being turned into slot machines lately, so I'm wondering what the percentages are. I actually don't know the economics; do the makers get a slice of the machine's revenues? Is it just that you can almost entirely ignore gameplay because the motivation for people is "slots, pachinko balls, occasional small minigames" and you make it all up with art? Slot machines make $NFL money and you're happy to get some massive chunk of change for zero work.
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Gerund posted:Slot machines make $NFL money and you're happy to get some massive chunk of change for zero work. Casinos are constantly looking for new machines too because they need a gimmick to draw in new people and keep it fresh for the addicts. At my work one of the magazines we get focuses on casino gambling and it's full of ads for poo poo like My Cousin Vinny slot machines. They're really scraping the bottom of the barrel in terms of IPs.
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Ironslave posted:Oh come on, when has asking your playerbase to steer the metaplot for your gameline ever ended up- The greatest L5R era was the period where the Unicorn Clan did everything (and were always secretly helped by the Ratlings). Glad FFG is burning the story back down to its foundation, and setting it even a little before that for good measure.
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Xinder posted:As someone who just finished Bloodlines last night: there's hope for good videogames. I had a few problems with the plot but overall that's a pretty drat good game. If Obsidian were hired on to make a new RPG there could actually be good and interesting. At least, the possibility exists...maybe... My skepticism is not so much about the games being potentially good, but their use in deciding metal lot developments from a player driven perspective
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Xinder posted:As someone who just finished Bloodlines last night: there's hope for good videogames. I had a few problems with the plot but overall that's a pretty drat good game. If Obsidian were hired on to make a new RPG there could actually be good and interesting. At least, the possibility exists...maybe... My opinion on any new vampire videogames will be inversely proportional to the number of corsets involved.
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Rate each book on the back cover for number of severed rear end-smears. A traditional scale of 1-5 smears.
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That Old Tree posted:Rate each book on the back cover for number of severed rear end-smears. A traditional scale of 1-5 smears. Is there a special category for flesh crafted vagina faces?
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I envision tenacious groups of roleplayers saving the World of Darkness as werewolves in anger management classes, 9 to 5 office mages and vampire EMTs. Make the world a better place one work shift at a time.
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MonsieurChoc posted:I feel like we should find a way to troll the metaplot somehow. You don't have to, they'll do that to themselves without any help.
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quote:The philsophy with KotE is that is if they find someone from the area who can do it they will. They want to avoid the problem of having people write about a culkture when they do not know it themselves. So go for it if you live anywhere in Asia and love these games. Frankly, I'm amazed that a ghost of a good idea existed in there.
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I think that's because Swedracula wants to be inclusive and progressive, he's just incredibly loving stupid about most things.
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Here is a report on Berlin that's a little less blatantly alarming. I still have full faith the "call of the East" will manage to be pretty racist.quote:Over 13K responses to the WW survey. 56% say they play a physical game — board, RPG, card — at least once a week.
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Ken Hite is cool and I like a lot of his work but everything about this sounds terrible.
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That Old Tree posted:Here is a report on Berlin that's a little less blatantly alarming. I still have full faith the "call of the East" will manage to be pretty racist. So basically they're taking concepts from the NWoD (Anarch's as their own independent thing/the Carthians wanting to do whatever fits their fancy, cities being isolated beacons rather than an international conspiracy, adding in hunter conspiracies and putting them par on par with supernatural beings with their tech advantage, etc, etc.) and letting Onyx Path keep doing Chronicles now that they feel confident it isn't going to wreck the OWoD's sales. Kind of amusing that we've come full circle, but at least the CofD will get to keep pumping out decent content. Edit: Also, taking the Gehenna War out of the picture and heightening the strictness of the hierarchy makes it more about a struggle to support or undermine the local political structures than a grand over-arching plot. Which...Uh, yeah. Pretty VTR. No clue if it'll work when it's tacked onto Masquerade though. Archonex fucked around with this message at 12:58 on May 13, 2017 |
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Loomer posted:Apparently the community-decided metaplot will also be dictated by vidyagamez and 'other interactive media'. So what, they're going to do a Telltale VtM story? (That wouldn't be so bad as a concept, to be honest, but still: 'Smiling Jack will remember that.') Telltale already made Wolf Among Us and that was pretty great. That could easily have been a Werewolf story. And they were using an IP and a character that had a speech about how awesome Israel's military stances are, in the comics, and yet the game itself is much more of a noir detective story. I think giving Telltale a chance at the IP could be one of their better decisions, if they ever did. Don't know if it'd be good, but it has a 99.99999% chance of having no rear end smears.
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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:They've also done episodes of Ken and Robin where they tell people not to be like Zak S. or half the OSR guys. I don't think they ever specifically call out Zak S., though? I'd love to hear I'm wrong, but unfortunately there's not necessarily a correlation between having more progressive beliefs and recognizing what Zak Smith has done. Zak always presents himself as progressive, but it's only fair weather people politics for him. I respect Ken Hite generally and want to think the best of him, but this is definitely a "wait and see" situation between Martin Ericsson's rather peculiar views on the setting and questionable hiring practices. Ironslave posted:They went with slot machines over Obsidian. To be fair, it's also very likely that Obsidian just really wants to focus more on their own IPs and establish their own franchises, given debacles from working on other developers' IPs nearly cost them the company. Kavak posted:I think that's because Swedracula wants to be inclusive and progressive, he's just incredibly loving stupid about most things. Yeah. Listening to a talk when Ericsson was asked about whether or not various splats would be more inclusive and he did a lot of handwringing where he's like "well you have to include racism because racism is real and we have to portray history accurately" in a pretend game about vampires and werewolves (the realest of the real things we must treat with the proper historical accuracy). It felt like he either didn't get it or didn't care to get it.
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Alien Rope Burn posted:"well you have to include racism because racism is real and we have to portray history accurately" People who say this will generally never go on to portray racism anywhere near realistically or with any kind of sensitivity.
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Ken Hite is an old school conservative (i.e. votes Republican except for Trump). His work is very good, his politics aren't obvious in his work and he's worked well with progressive companies/individuals (his entire relationship with Laws and his work with Pelgrane Press, proud publishers of #Feminism), but I wouldn't expect grand progressive gestures originating from him, if we're evaluating the potential politics of the new Vampire.
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Alien Rope Burn posted:I don't think they ever specifically call out Zak S., though? I'd love to hear I'm wrong, but unfortunately there's not necessarily a correlation between having more progressive beliefs and recognizing what Zak Smith has done. Zak always presents himself as progressive, but it's only fair weather people politics for him. They've never named people specifically but they've done segments on being respectful to people when events in the industry blew up, like the women in gaming thing a while back. It's essentially boiled down to always be professional, don't harass people, and you're an rear end in a top hat if you purposely put something into your game that bothers a player without first checking with them. I don't think they would do anything that targeted a specific person since they've been in the industry forever and are professional. They've also never really talked about Zak, his work, or had him on other than mentioning a Red Pleasant Land winning an Ennie when it did and giving a middling take on it. It's not really the basis of their show to talk about people other than themselves or current trends in the industry. I can also understand not voicing opinions on a public forum as well because they're both freelancers. Regardless of any of that, I won't be buying any White Wolf products because of their hiring policies and the direction they're taking things. The Mage and Vampire games they created were garbage too so the bar is already pretty low. That's not even addressing the rear end smears and the transsexual dominating people to give them a handjob, it was just a terrible concept in terms of what it was and how it was executed. I don't like the whole Middle Eastern problems are caused by vampires thing, it's abhorrent, and I won't support anything that is going that direction in this political climate. Even if it's not dog whistle racist at the least, it most assuredly is, it will lead the bigots on 4chan and other sites doubling down on their casual racist advocacy and promotion of fascist ideologies because it's another sign that this type of poo poo is OK. They're even embracing that line of thinking with Werewolf and when you lead with, they're essentially Neo-Nazis, I can imagine it's going to be devoid of any nuance or self-reflection. The whole thing makes me really mad because this would definitely be something I would have loved in theory but it's all so terrible in every aspect. As has been stated elsewhere, it's like a terrible monkey paw wish.
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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:The whole thing makes me really mad because this would definitely be something I would have loved in theory but it's all so terrible in every aspect. As has been stated elsewhere, it's like a terrible monkey paw wish. To be honest, I don't have much of a dog in this fight, given that a new Masquerade would have to be somehow better than Requiem for me to backpedal and I don't see a universe branching off of this one where that happens. But I'd like a revival to be good for the sake of the fans and the industry, but... well... *tugs at collar*
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Xinder posted:excited to hear there's going to be a new Gypsy book He called that one out specifically! And said he'd probably retitle it 'Opre Roma!' but, uh literally a book on magic gypsies
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Looks like Paradox is going to be publishing HairBrained Schemes Battletech video game as well. The sickness now crosses game lines.
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Gypsies are pretty much the only group that you can be prejudiced against in all (most?) of Europe without social consequences.
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ZearothK posted:Gypsies are pretty much the only group that you can be prejudiced against in all (most?) of Europe without social consequences. So much so that you can use a racial slur in this very thread without even thinking twice.
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Mors Rattus posted:He called that one out specifically! And said he'd probably retitle it 'Opre Roma!' but, uh Please no that was supposed to be a joke
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I'd bet almost nobody in America knows the term Roma and if they do it's from some urban fantasy show with magic gypsies.
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Nonsense, it's a thing that comes free on my pizza, romasan and roma crust. Man, the World of Darkness is making me hungry.
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