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Teenage Fansub posted:That's Strange Visitor. I'm talking about the one between Black Canary and Vixen. I KNOW WHO YOU IS TALKING ABOUT I WAS RESPONDING TO OMNI
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YOU SAID "Is that"!!!
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HEY FOLKS! JUST FINISHED HELLBLAZER VOL5 OF THE OG RUN AND IT IS A PRETTY SOLID BOOK UP TO THIS POINT. DOES IT EVER GET BAD? I THINK THE WEAKEST STORIES ARE THE ONE OR TWO PARTERS THAT DO NOT SEEM TO CONNECT TO THE LARGER STORIES BEING TOLD. THE MORRISON AND GAIMAN STORIES WERE DISAPPOINTING. FAMILY MAN AND THAT WEIRD LEYLINE STORY WERE GOOD. THEY DO NEED MORE DEMON/MAGIC STORIES. THIS IS THE YELLING PAGE NOW FYI. PLEASE PROBATE ALL WHO DONT YELL ON THIS PAGE X-O!!!! PLEASE AND THANKS.
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Apr 28, 2018 19:50
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Mr Hootington posted:HEY FOLKS! JUST FINISHED HELLBLAZER VOL5 OF THE OG RUN AND IT IS A PRETTY SOLID BOOK UP TO THIS POINT. DOES IT EVER GET BAD? I THINK THE WEAKEST STORIES ARE THE ONE OR TWO PARTERS THAT DO NOT SEEM TO CONNECT TO THE LARGER STORIES BEING TOLD. THE MORRISON AND GAIMAN STORIES WERE DISAPPOINTING. FAMILY MAN AND THAT WEIRD LEYLINE STORY WERE GOOD. THEY DO NEED MORE DEMON/MAGIC STORIES. ENNIS' WORK IS PROBABLY THE HIGH WATERMARK OF THE SERIES, BUT ALMOST ALL OF IT IS SOLID. I REALLY LIKE MIKE CAREY'S RUN, ALSO AZZARELLO'S BUT THAT'S A BIT CONTROVERSIAL. SOME PEOPLE SAY DENISE MINA'S RUN IS BAD BUT THEY ARE WRONG. THE ONLY PART I DIDN'T LIKE WAS PETER MILLIGAN'S FINAL ARC BUT I THINK PART OF THE PROBLEM WAS HE DIDN'T INTEND TO STOP AT ISSUE 300 BUT WAS FORCED TO WRAP THING UP QUICKLY.
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Apr 28, 2018 20:16
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HEY IS THE ASSUMPTION STILL THAT THE STREAMING SERVICE THAT NEW TITANS TV SERIES IS GOING TO BE ON BE A HYBRID VOD/“DC UNLIMITED” THING?
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OGB posted:HEY IS THE ASSUMPTION STILL THAT THE STREAMING SERVICE THAT NEW TITANS TV SERIES IS GOING TO BE ON BE A HYBRID VOD/“DC UNLIMITED” THING? NOBODY KNOW. EVERYTHING HAS GONE QUIET WITH IT.
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Apr 28, 2018 22:48
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Surely that's Dr Manhattan.
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Apr 28, 2018 23:09
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nofather posted:Surely that's Dr Manhattan. His avatar? Yeah that makes sense.
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Apr 28, 2018 23:23
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MAN gently caress THAT JFOUNDATION PAGE SERIOISLY WHY YOU GOTTA PLAY MY GIRL SPARXX LIKE THAT. 
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Apr 28, 2018 23:31
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 The love child of Jimmy Hart and Randy Savage reborn in DC Comics.
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Apr 30, 2018 06:27
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nofather posted:
Pretty sure it's either a take on Waylon, or younger Hank Jr. But now I want Macho Man's voice.
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Apr 30, 2018 07:58
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It's definitely a Macho Man pastiche.
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Apr 30, 2018 08:55
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Does anyone know who this Green Lantern is? He's huge, has an eyepatch and beard. Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corps #40 Never mind, figured it out: http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Raynunn_(Prime_Earth)
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Morrison/Paquette interview on WW Earth One 2 with some new pages. https://www.dccomics.com/blog/2018/04/30/morrison-and-paquette-discuss-wonder-woman-earth-one-vol-2 e: Killer timing on next week's AC special. https://twitter.com/Manruss/status/991094326628306944 Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 01:03 on May 1, 2018 |
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Apr 30, 2018 23:38
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Does anybody like Deadshot? I'm watching the new Suicide Squad cartoon(it sucks, btw) and Deadshot is here again, and the movie is treating him like a cool character the audience will enjoy watching. BUt he's the lamest loving thing ever. And the whole thing where you're supposed to feel bad about him because he can't see his daughter because he's a loving murder is so dumb. Deadshot was the exact same in the live-action movie too; terrible but presented like he's the coolest dude. Is Deadshot really great in the comics and always just translated poorly to the screen? Or is it like Cyborg where the only person who cares about him is the boss so he is forced to be a big deal?
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May 1, 2018 03:22
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Guy Goodbody posted:Does anybody like Deadshot? I'm watching the new Suicide Squad cartoon(it sucks, btw) and Deadshot is here again, and the movie is treating him like a cool character the audience will enjoy watching. BUt he's the lamest loving thing ever. And the whole thing where you're supposed to feel bad about him because he can't see his daughter because he's a loving murder is so dumb. Deadshot was the exact same in the live-action movie too; terrible but presented like he's the coolest dude. I haven't liked Deadshot since the old 90s Squad.
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May 1, 2018 03:25
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I think I liked him in Tim Seeley's run on New Suicide Squad.
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May 1, 2018 03:32
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Guy Goodbody posted:Does anybody like Deadshot? I'm watching the new Suicide Squad cartoon(it sucks, btw) and Deadshot is here again, and the movie is treating him like a cool character the audience will enjoy watching. BUt he's the lamest loving thing ever. And the whole thing where you're supposed to feel bad about him because he can't see his daughter because he's a loving murder is so dumb. Deadshot was the exact same in the live-action movie too; terrible but presented like he's the coolest dude. I gotta admit, I'm a big Deadshot fan. Have been since John Ostrander's original 1987-1992 Suicide Squad run that put him on the map. I appreciate that he's a professional with a code, that he'll do right by his teammates even if he doesn't always like, trust, or respect them, and that he might be a killer, but he's not an indiscriminate killer like Joker or countless other villains. And I appreciate supervillains who are written as antiheroes or "not-so-bad bad guys," who go up against people far worse than they are. He and Captain Cold are two of my favorite characters for similar reasons. I just watched Suicide Squad: Hell to Pay on Friday and thought it was okay, but it was an adaptation of a Secret Six storyline written by Gail Simone -- that team also included Deadshot as a member. I thought it was a better portrayal of the Suicide Squad than the Ayer movie, but the best one of all is Batman: Assault on Arkham. You probably won't like it because it is the most positive, heroic, badass portrayal of Deadshot yet -- he sleeps with Harley and beats up Batman AND the Joker. Neal McDonough (Damien Darkh from the CW/DC shows and Quarles from Justified) does his voice there.
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I actually did see that one and you're right, I didn't like it. I've seen three Suicide Squad movies and I think it's time I realize that the whole concept is not for me. Super badass edgy criminals on badass missions where they shoot people. They're all so badass and edgy that they're completely unlikable, and they don't even have relationships with each other because they only talk in edgy quips and badass threats, until the end when some of them don't betray the others because they're really good guys on the inside. And then Deadshot gets to see his daughter and that's supposed to be a good thing, even though he's a serial killer for hire.
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I am a big Deadshot fan as well. Even convinced my mom to make me a Deadshot costume when I was about 10 for a costume party (I used to read my brothers suicide squad comics). Ostrander really made him a compelling character and I recommend checking out the mini series Ostrander wrote about him. What made him an interesting character was that due to a screwed up family life Deadshot had a death wish that meant he would purposely put himself at lethal position not caring if he survived or not (like shooting up a private airplane midair just to kill someone while he was also on said plane). Also worth checking out Gage's mini which added the daughter dynamic to Deadshot. The thinking was that after the traumatic events of Ostrander's mini Deadshot no longer had a (family) anchor and by giving him a daughter he regained something. It's a great story and worth looking into. Also read Ostrander's original Suicide Squad run (and the recent mini) and Secret Six where Deadshot has a great bromance with Catman.
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Yeah I also anti-care about Deadshot, at least him being sold as an anti-hero. In general I'm leery of contract killing mercenaries being sold as anti-heroes. I have the same problem with Deathstroke, but I think Deathstroke is at least slightly more interesting to me.
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Guy Goodbody posted:I actually did see that one and you're right, I didn't like it. I've seen three Suicide Squad movies and I think it's time I realize that the whole concept is not for me. Super badass edgy criminals on badass missions where they shoot people. They're all so badass and edgy that they're completely unlikable, and they don't even have relationships with each other because they only talk in edgy quips and badass threats, until the end when some of them don't betray the others because they're really good guys on the inside. Double posting. Don't care. If you don't like that portrayel of the Suicide Squad I even more highly recommend Ostrander's run. It is more political thriller based with espionage and spy intrigue. Some of it is a bit dated but it is less action movie and more Black ops stuff.
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Madkal posted:Double posting. Don't care. If you don't like that portrayel of the Suicide Squad I even more highly recommend Ostrander's run. It is more political thriller based with espionage and spy intrigue. Some of it is a bit dated but it is less action movie and more Black ops stuff. It's really amazing to me how ahead of their time Giffen and DeMatteis' Justice League International and Ostrander's Suicide Squad were. Both debuted in 1987, juggled large casts of mostly lesser-known or completely unknown characters, and went heavy on the character development. JLI played out as a superhero sitcom (that could occasionally get deadly serious) and Suicide Squad was a series of espionage/heist stories (sometimes buoyed by much-needed comic relief), but both had very "modern" sensibilities. I think they have both aged very well and feel like they could have come out in the 21st Century, unlike most '80s comics. As for Suicide Squad, I'm a sucker for redemption stories -- villains doing something heroic, discovering some inner nobility, following a code of honor, making amends for a misspent career or a lifetime of misdeeds. And while many of them never find any redemption, arguably Deadshot does, multiple times over (like in Gage's miniseries where he finds out he has a daughter). Big Bad Voodoo Lou fucked around with this message at 04:23 on May 1, 2018 |
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May 1, 2018 04:20
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I read a bit of the old JLI series. I really didn't like how it characterized and treated Power Girl
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Guy Goodbody posted:I read a bit of the old JLI series. I really didn't like how it characterized and treated Power Girl You're not wrong. She was written as a scold and a bitch in Justice League Europe, and often played against a sleazy, sexually-harassing Wally West.
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:You're not wrong. She was written as a scold and a bitch in Justice League Europe, and often played against a sleazy, sexually-harassing Wally West. Which is written by a kid toucher. I want to read mosaic but don’t want to support him
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May 1, 2018 06:28
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bobkatt013 posted:Which is written by a kid toucher. I want to read mosaic but don’t want to support him Mosaic had some amazing artwork. Read it for the artwork.
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:You're not wrong. She was written as a scold and a bitch in Justice League Europe, and often played against a sleazy, sexually-harassing Wally West. She was a standard caricature of a 'feminazi' but most of the crew were pretty broad stroke caricatures. I still found the book pretty funny, although sometimes cringey as hell.
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bobkatt013 posted:Which is written by a kid toucher. I want to read mosaic but don’t want to support him Well it's not like it will ever be reprinted again and they don't get a cut of back issue sales so you can read it without supporting him.
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Suicide Squad vol 2 really made me like the idea. Major Disaster, Cluemaster trying to redeem himself for Spoiler (dying in the first issue), Luthor as president. I went back and read vol 1 afterwards and while I liked it I think it has a bit of a dated style to it. Loved Duchess. I've said before I think comics in general have a problem with team-based comics lately (like the past 20 years) and it probably doesn't help that they're so anchored to the main personalities in the current group. I can't see Amanda Waller killing Deadshot or Harley Quinn at all, and ever since they made Waller skinny I keep expecting them to put her and Deadshot in a romance. I like Katana in the group, though. The Killer Croc/June Moon thing was cute. I think the team needs more of the Gotham touch. Riddler, especially this Riddler, complete psychopath, 'the brains' and an instant obstacle for the group to deal with. It's not pies, now, it's riddles that humiliate you. My ambien's kicking in so I'm rambling. The antagonism is needed there, and they've tried switching her out for others but it doesn't seem to work well. These groups are really made greater by having interesting antagonists, and Suicide Squad doesn't seem to be able to go a run without having Rustam the Middle Eastern Terrorist pop up like the Iron Shiek. Which is a shame, because Nu52 did give us some new international bad guy groups to work with. The lack of interesting international enemies doesn't seem to be a DC alone problem, other companies are struggling over it too. Some ideas. Tom King's Omega Men -heavily- implied that the US government has some sway in space. Waller is a name known outside of our solar system. If World Police isn't working out because in real life we understand that, hey, Russians and Middle Easterners are people too, not walking stereotypes. Then be space police. Secure the US's space alliances with the Suicide Squad. You get interactions with alien groups, alien gangs and religions that can be entirely stereotypical because they're not Earth stuff. So they can train guerrilla fighters and overthrow recalcitrant regimes so that new regimes will pop up that will be more willing to make deals. nofather fucked around with this message at 08:03 on May 1, 2018 |
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May 1, 2018 07:52
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I heard Waller is back to her original design.
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MonsterEnvy posted:I heard Waller is back to her original design. She's bigger, not as big but not model-thin like she was. She looks more like the movie Waller.
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nofather posted:She's bigger, not as big but not model-thin like she was. She looks more like the movie Waller. From looking. A distinct bit heavier. Which is all she really needed, not to look like a young super model.
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Deadshot was only good in Secret Six and his original mini from the 80s. He is nesrly a noncharacter in the OG sucicide squad run. Thebpie in the face lasted longer and had more impact than deadshot.
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May 1, 2018 13:26
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There was a Deadshot mini in 2005 that was pretty good.
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I think he's more interesting than Deathstroke at least but that's not a high bar really.
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I like when he wore a top hat and tux, or at least I like the one page that gets posted.
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nofather posted:Suicide Squad vol 2 really made me like the idea. Major Disaster, Cluemaster trying to redeem himself for Spoiler (dying in the first issue), Luthor as president. I went back and read vol 1 afterwards and while I liked it I think it has a bit of a dated style to it. Loved Duchess. Agree with most of this, though I am enjoying the current run of SS. With Ostrander's original series the idea of using second string characters meant that no character was safe from death (though Ostrander definitely had a core group that he would keep safe from harm). Also the idea that Waller has access to more than just 5 characters so she could tailor-make her team roster to suit any mission was also very interesting. Current SS is basically the same characters as the movie going through the motions. It would be nice to see Waller use other villains outside of the core members.
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Michel Fiffe's Copra is a pastiche of Ostrander's Suicide Squad-- well, really, let's be candid, it's extremely loving and precise fan-fic with names just barely changed-- and it has a pretty compelling Deadshot analogue, I think largely because he's nudged somewhat out of the position of protagonist ergo he doesn't have to tick off some of the more tired "anti-hero" boxes. There's an arc where he's on a rampage going after the comic's Captain Boomerang analogue in which he's essentially a slasher-movie monster that's just a very tense, engaging long action sequence that does sell the narrative efficacy of a character who can be boiled down to "taciturn, shoots guns."
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Guy Goodbody posted:Is Deadshot really great in the comics and always just translated poorly to the screen? Or is it like Cyborg where the only person who cares about him is the boss so he is forced to be a big deal? This is tangential to your post, but I just want to point out that Deadshot is great in that episode of the Justice League cartoon where the Suicide Squad pulls a heist on the League's space station. It's kind of a cheat (because everything about that cartoon was great) but there is at least one example of him being translated well.
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