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Sulecrist posted:don't write like this Psssh, what you quoted is fine grammatically. It looks like a double negative but it's actually not.
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entris posted:Psssh, what you quoted is fine grammatically. It looks like a double negative but it's actually not. being fine grammatically and stylistically are two different matters, though on the law school being the worst decision talk so far I'm okay with this law school thing, it got me out of the terrible place I lived and into a cool city
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MEET ME BY DUCKS posted:being fine grammatically and stylistically are two different matters, though When writing, according to Elmore Leonard, you should never let proper get in the way of good. (Pithily, I agree.)
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The Warszawa posted:When writing, according to Elmore Leonard, you should never let proper get in the way of good. It's not like the writing in this thread is filet mignon or anything though. Also MEET ME BY THE DUCKS I'm glad you're not miserable about going to Harvard. Edit: But seriously I'm glad you're happy in Boston MoFauxHawk fucked around with this message at 05:08 on Aug 23, 2011 |
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I still don't understand why there is a writing component to every, or just about every, journal competition. As far as I can tell, all journal cares about from me is being good at editing and being competent enough to turn things in on or before deadlines. And because our competition had an editing section that was both textual and Bluebook, my ability to compose a note seems to have little relevance to my work on journal. Even if my academic credit is technically only for my note, I'm fairly convinced that my writing skill--to the extent not measured by a textual editing exercise--is not important or relevant enough to justify the time and effort for applicants to compose and for the Editorial Board to review the sea of writing submissions. I suppose the written portion helps evaluate if an applicant knows when to add a cite, but if that's a real concern just make the competition a closed cite check. Which is basically a minor shift from a pure textual and Bluebook editing section. Also, Crim Pro is basically all the fun stuff that 1Ls thought Con Law would be about. This class is rockin'.
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Just throwing this out there without any knowledge of the legal requirements of educational non-profit status: Does the fact that law schools have to give 25-30% of their income back to their parent universities mean that they're actually being run for profit? Everyone knows that law schools are being used as cash cows for their universities. If law schools are being forced to raise tuition in order to subsidize the rest of the university, aren't they being forced to run at a profit that doesn't benefit their students?
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The Warszawa posted:When writing, according to Elmore Leonard, you should never let proper get in the way of good. *smokes pipe*
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atlas of bugs posted:*smokes pipe* hey you're up new york way right? want to get something approximating a drink on the 6th? we can talk about the choices we made.
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atlas of bugs posted:*smokes pipe* Who is in your avatar
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atlas of bugs posted:*smokes pipe* *adjusts monacle* Yes, servant boy, fetch me another brandy.
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Well, OCI is finally over. A momentary respite until I have to start getting ready for callbacks.
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Holland Oats posted:Just throwing this out there without any knowledge of the legal requirements of educational non-profit status: Does the fact that law schools have to give 25-30% of their income back to their parent universities mean that they're actually being run for profit? Everyone knows that law schools are being used as cash cows for their universities. If law schools are being forced to raise tuition in order to subsidize the rest of the university, aren't they being forced to run at a profit that doesn't benefit their students? I'm pretty sure showing that law schools are for profit is, like, ninety percent of the point of this thread. Of course they're for profit. So are the ABA and sally mae. The only people who aren't sucking from the teet of that cash cow are the students.
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quote:Who is in your avatar same girl as last time, deborah an wohl or something quote:*adjusts monacle* my only master is Art, and I its devoted servant quote:hey you're up new york way right? want to get something approximating a drink on the 6th? we can talk about the choices we made. yes we will do this first I got to get settled and maybe do some apartment shopping with my IBR cash
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BigHead posted:I'm pretty sure showing that law schools are for profit is, like, ninety percent of the point of this thread. Of course they're for profit. So are the ABA and sally mae. The only people who aren't sucking from the teet of that cash cow are the students. speak for yourself
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atlas of bugs posted:yes we will do this I'm gonna be around the same time actually.
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MEET ME BY DUCKS posted:on the law school being the worst decision talk so far I'm okay with this law school thing, it got me out of the terrible place I lived and into a cool city cool I'm glad Harvard Law School is working out for you want to stomp your face irl
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The Warszawa, would you recommend Yale Law School to prospective students? I'm kind of on the fence. Thank you
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Anyone else working in public interest/policy? I'm at a small enviro non-profit and want to compare notes.
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ragle posted:The Warszawa, I mean, I like it a lot, it got me out of a boring place (Manhattan) and into an awesome city (New Haven). Sbull posted:Anyone else working in public interest/policy? I'm at a small enviro non-profit and want to compare notes. Summer or full-time?
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ragle posted:cool I'm glad Harvard Law School is working out for you I want to add value instead of emptyquoting so I'm capitalizing, using punctuation and oxford commas, and providing a link to the first Above the Law story available, which, I suspect, connotes onion-like layers of meaning. EDIT: MMBD visit chat sometime
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The Warszawa posted:I mean, I like it a lot, it got me out of a boring place (Manhattan) and into an awesome city (New Haven). full time
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ragle posted:cool I'm glad Harvard Law School is working out for you If it makes you feel better (it won't,) I have a friend who graduated jobless, I've spoken to an alum who couldn't get a thing till she passed the bar, and I'm still looking as a 3L. What I really want to stress is that HLS attracts lots of superstars, it is built around those superstars, and it gives those superstars the tools they need to get onto the Supreme Court, into the major financial centers, into the White House, wherever they'd like to go. Those of us who just happened to do well on the LSAT, on the other hand, find that there's a certain disconnect between the school's public perception and the actual opportunities that it opens up. Maybe that's a result of heightened expectations, maybe that's a result of being a horrible sperglord--I won't speculate on the reason for that truism. But it does make it annoying to hear 'oh, you're at Harvard, you'll be fine.' I have a harder and harder time seeing that as anything but a microcosm of the old "just go to law school and you'll be fine" canard that got the legal market into this mess in the first place.
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Holland Oats posted:Just throwing this out there without any knowledge of the legal requirements of educational non-profit status: Does the fact that law schools have to give 25-30% of their income back to their parent universities mean that they're actually being run for profit? Everyone knows that law schools are being used as cash cows for their universities. If law schools are being forced to raise tuition in order to subsidize the rest of the university, aren't they being forced to run at a profit that doesn't benefit their students? Plenty of nonprofits make excess money providing one service and then funnel that money back in order to provide another. For example: PBS, tote bags, and broadcasting.
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Red Bean Juice posted:If it makes you feel better (it won't,) I have a friend who graduated jobless, I've spoken to an alum who couldn't get a thing till she passed the bar, and I'm still looking as a 3L. poo poo dude, condolences
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Red Bean Juice posted:If it makes you feel better (it won't,) I have a friend who graduated jobless, I've spoken to an alum who couldn't get a thing till she passed the bar, and I'm still looking as a 3L. Waah
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Red Bean Juice posted:If it makes you feel better (it won't,) I have a friend who graduated jobless, I've spoken to an alum who couldn't get a thing till she passed the bar, and I'm still looking as a 3L. yeah I'm basically this (not a full on sperglord but I am a goon, so) and probably the farthest from a "superstar" that HLS has so I'm basically not much better off than any other T14 student and I'm a nervous wreck hoping the economy doesn't go from bad to worse again don't get me wrong I'm not TTT nervous but at least people at a TTT should have known better. the HLS issue is a lot more subtle. I mean, the HLS letterhead or whatever might have certain firms look at my resume that might otherwise not, but it's still a weak resume and they'll likely pass on me, it's simply that the resume won't be immediately trashed without even a passing glance I dunno I feel like I need to do something to avoid the RBJ + related HLS company problem but I'm not exactly sure what that is beyond "get good grades." and given grading and it being HLS, yeah, okay, not counting on that. RBJ save me with the wisdom of your HLS experiences. I don't have lawyerly manga art skills to fall back on topheryan fucked around with this message at 04:36 on Aug 24, 2011 |
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MEET ME BY DUCKS posted:don't get me wrong I'm not TTT nervous but at least people at a TTT should have known better. the HLS issue is a lot more subtle. How is it even possible to whine and brag at the same time?
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Copernic posted:How is it even possible to whine and brag at the same time? And condescend. HLS is the home of the hat trick.
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Red Bean Juice posted:If it makes you feel better (it won't,) I have a friend who graduated jobless, I've spoken to an alum who couldn't get a thing till she passed the bar, and I'm still looking as a 3L. duke career services used one of your comics in a presentation today
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Sulecrist posted:duke career services used one of your comics in a presentation today ironically I started drawing for bitter lawyer in part because HLS career services used one of their videos in a presentation last year (which comic was it) (was it the one with the swears) quote:RBJ save me with the wisdom of your HLS experiences. I don't have lawyerly manga art skills to fall back on to my knowledge it seems to be a matter of having good outlines and avoiding gunnerly classes, the latter you can't do much about as a 1L, so make friends with really smart upperclassmen I guess! Bro Enlai fucked around with this message at 05:34 on Aug 24, 2011 |
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Copernic posted:How is it even possible to whine and brag at the same time? I'm not saying every TTT student. just any in this thread who have read the thread and still end up going. I'm definitely whining because seriously what else is this thread about. I don't know about the bragging thing. getting into a good school is just lsat/gpa and being good with those is nothing to brag about. being good at standardized tests is a pretty arbitrary and useless talent in the scheme of things (also when it comes to employment) Red Bean Juice posted:to my knowledge it seems to be a matter of having good outlines and avoiding gunnerly classes, the latter you can't do much about as a 1L, so make friends with really smart upperclassmen I guess! so do I want some HLS superstar geniuses' outline or is it a matter of obsessively crafting my own as a side note this law school thing is starting at a very inconvenient time, I just want to sit down and play deux ex human revolution. this bodes well for my future prospects in the field of law topheryan fucked around with this message at 05:43 on Aug 24, 2011 |
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Speaking of the economy and cause for concern, has anyone read Susskind's The End of Lawyers? I'm gradually picking my way through it (there always seem to be more interesting things demanding my attention) and am curious if anyone else has impressions of it.
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MEET ME BY DUCKS posted:it's simply that the resume won't be immediately trashed without even a passing glance I really hate this thread. It seems like every 6 months I read it, the page I manage to chime in on has something like this. You are why a lot of people hate ivy leaguers.
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Sbull posted:I really hate this thread. It seems like every 6 months I read it, the page I manage to chime in on has something like this. You are why a lot of people hate ivy leaguers. haha what about this is so frustrating? I come from one of the worst state schools in the country and just moved into an ivy league today. whatever you're reading into this isn't some ivy league elitism. or do you really think ivy leaguers are better off just because their resume is glanced at for five seconds before being trashed and a TTT app doesn't?
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MEET ME BY DUCKS posted:as a side note this law school thing is starting at a very inconvenient time, I just want to sit down and play deux ex human revolution. this bodes well for my future prospects in the field of law
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Sbull posted:I really hate this thread. It seems like every 6 months I read it, the page I manage to chime in on has something like this. You are why a lot of people hate ivy leaguers. That dude finds some way to remind everyone that he is a 0L at harvard in every single one of his posts. If you ignore his dick waving, the rest of the thread is still doomsaying, fire, and poverty all rolled into one convenient locale.
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MEET ME BY DUCKS posted:haha what about this is so frustrating? I come from one of the worst state schools in the country and just moved into an ivy league today. whatever you're reading into this isn't some ivy league elitism. or do you really think ivy leaguers are better off just because their resume is glanced at for five seconds before being trashed and a TTT app doesn't? i dont think you read me correctly. most HLS people ive met are incredibly humble and talented. thats probably because i work in public interest, though. others who are not give them a really bad name. BigHead posted:That dude finds some way to remind everyone that he is a 0L at harvard in every single one of his posts. If you ignore his dick waving, the rest of the thread is still doomsaying, fire, and poverty all rolled into one convenient locale. fair enough. ive always been into post-apocalyptic non-fiction, too...
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Holland Oats posted:The school someone goes to has nothing to do with their character. I guarantee that a douchebag was a was like that long before he ever went to a good school. I seriously doubt that attending an Ivy could magically turn a decent person into a tool. The Ivies have a way of magnifying douche tendencies that lay dormant for years, even decades. A week in the post-prep jungles of Harvard and it's all Sperry topsiders and yacht races, man. It's like Lord of the Flies, only more savage and less compelling (and minus the remorseful conclusion because the douche tendencies eat away at self-awareness like a cancer).
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Lilosh posted:What I meant was that it wasn't exactly clear to us what rubric was used to evaluate our work. They just told us to write a XX page note and edit XX pages of a godawful intentionally-bad note. The description of how our entries were being evaluated/rated/ranked was kind of a black-box. See, I often forget that other law journals make people write a note or comment for their writing competition. I agree that it's totally stupid - how is a 1L supposed to know how to write a note, much less write a good one when given an incredibly limited amount of time in which to do so? My school has people write an LWR-style memo, which I think makes a lot more sense because 1Ls actually understand what makes one of those good or bad. I would kill myself if I had to sit down and read a bunch of student notes cranked out during a writing competition. Seriously, I have no idea why the law reviews at schools like that haven't revolted by now.
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