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ESPN will generally suspend and slap on the wrist for political and other thoughts they don't want to deal with PR for. But if you work for them and criticize management or things they are trying to push they will dead you. (Word to Bill Simmons)
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DJExile posted:Yeah I think he called out Jessica Mendoza which is a terrible idea for a whole series of reasons One of which is that she's way better at the job than he was
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MourningView posted:One of which is that she's way better at the job than he was seriously, I caught a couple broadcasts she was on and she was great
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SBNation site managers have leaked more info to Deadspin. It's about what you'd expect. "No, we're not paying you much. Do it for the love. Hit your quotas."
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sportsgenius86 posted:Charles Pierce literally owns at everything and I dread the day he is no longer with us he was on jonah keri's podcast recently and they made plenty of really good political points
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1. Tom Brady is good 2. There are some smart guys at Harvard 3. The Red Sox are good
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DJExile posted:SBNation site managers have leaked more info to Deadspin. It's about what you'd expect. "No, we're not paying you much. Do it for the love. Hit your quotas." Their model is lovely, but also lol Deadspin comes across salty af on these
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Why? Doesn't deadspin actually pay the people who write for the site?
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ElwoodCuse posted:Why? Doesn't deadspin actually pay the people who write for the site? I also believe they're unionized too.
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General Dog posted:Their model is lovely, but also lol Deadspin comes across salty af on these Huh? Most of the Article is like a direct quote from SB Nation emails
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hot tip: Stop Responding To General Dog
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He has a point in that Deadspin often seems out to destroy their competition, but it doesn't mean they're not in the right here. Elena Bergeron's response on twitter was not great either.
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I just think it's kind of a bad look for them to call out a rival publication like that, especially one that's beating the hell out of them in the quality department right now, unpaid or not.
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that's not calling out SBNation, that's confirmation of what most people suspected, that a site isn't paying their drat writers.
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Deadspin/Gawker's media criticism has basically always been a mix of "mostly correct" and "transparently self-serving"
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morestuff posted:Deadspin/Gawker's media criticism has basically always been a mix of "mostly correct" and "transparently self-serving" sure, but that's true of basically any blog or news org that criticizes anyone else though
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morestuff posted:Deadspin/Gawker's media criticism has basically always been a mix of "mostly correct" and "transparently self-serving" I can agree with this.
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Without rivals reporting on each other how in the hell would any wrong doing ever get reported. It's why it's such a problem when a news org does something bad but they are the only news org or paper in the town so hey can easily silence anything. Sure it's somewhat self serving as it makes them look better. But I'm pretty sure they aren't under the illusion they are going to kill one of the biggest sports sites around. They are just kinda reporting on how SB Nation treats and exploits their contributors. Like the Root another vertical has had some articles recently about how Ebony has not paid a number of writers for work over the past couple of years. This type of reporting on other media outlets is something that should happen more if hosed up things are going on.
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One of Root's subsites (VSB i think) flat out calls out Jezebel at times. It's really something
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DJExile posted:One of Root's subsites (VSB i think) flat out calls out Jezebel at times. It's really something VSB owns and I'm glad Gizmodo let them keep their style and stay themselves. Comment section is less fun than the old site though.
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http://deadspin.com/don-ohlmeyer-aired-an-nfl-game-without-announcers-and-t-1805869735 This is a really good read and I was shocked that I didn't hear about Ohlmeyer passing away Sunday.. poo poo, I never even heard he had cancer.
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Dexo posted:Without rivals reporting on each other how in the hell would any wrong doing ever get reported. Yep, it was a rival publication that caught Stephen Glass' bullshit in The New Republic.
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Akileese posted:http://deadspin.com/don-ohlmeyer-aired-an-nfl-game-without-announcers-and-t-1805869735 I remember watching clips of this in my media classes in college and it was such a mindfuck. Great read
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https://twitter.com/richarddeitsch/status/909458325724696577 seriously, hows it goink?
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Spoeank posted:https://twitter.com/richarddeitsch/status/909458325724696577 I don't know the at what point the ratio switches where the advantage is, but they know the switch to video would result in lower page views. Advertisers pay considerably more to advertise in videos than in banner ads per view. I actually assume they are likely in the neighborhood of 10x the CPM of ads in text articles. So the 16 million viewers on video may make more money than 143 million text.
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Wouldn't video format result in less unique page views anyway? (If that's what the tweet is even referring to.)
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Spoeank posted:https://twitter.com/richarddeitsch/status/909458325724696577 What's their budget now compared to before?
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General Dog posted:What's their budget now compared to before? Significantly less. They're now going with the model where you pay out the nose for "name" talent and all the support staff doesn't qualify for benefits. What they've done is an extreme way to stop the bleeding of losing money, but whether it prevents any kind of future growth is the real issue. If they can't pull decent numbers during the NFL season, I'd hate to see them in like April.
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Spoeank posted:https://twitter.com/richarddeitsch/status/909458325724696577 https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/909532836591554560 boobs
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That's rich coming from a guy whose last shot at avoiding having to get an office job is grifting MAGA chuds
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Lockback posted:I don't know the at what point the ratio switches where the advantage is, but they know the switch to video would result in lower page views. Advertisers pay considerably more to advertise in videos than in banner ads per view. I actually assume they are likely in the neighborhood of 10x the CPM of ads in text articles. So the 16 million viewers on video may make more money than 143 million text. They probably get $40-$70 CPM on video (maybe more) Maybe $5 on text. I know the "pivot to media" is making writers really angry but it's happening because you can make a boatload more on video ads and it likely costs less to produce.
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Hahahahaha oh god http://awfulannouncing.com/online-outlets/incline-freelancer-dave-lozo-criticized-jim-brady.html https://twitter.com/davelozo/status/908852464975273985 https://twitter.com/davelozo/status/909867139527475200
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I mean on the one hand, dude is absolutely right that Lozo was looking to martyr himself, on the other he really is the dumbest motherfucker alive.
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Wasn't Lozo the guy who decided to do Hockey Trade Value Rankings after Simmons had his dumb meltdown at Jonah Keri and wrote the thing up like a terrible Simmons column why the gently caress do I know about all of this good god I've wasted my life
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A guy who gets into protracted online arguments in which he uses the "I don't even know who you are!" insult multiple times is the public editor for one of the biggest media organizations in the world
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Lost in all of this is the fact that ESPN's ombudsman is the loving CEO of another media company, which is loving bizarre as poo poo.
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Mahoning posted:Lost in all of this is the fact that ESPN's ombudsman is the loving CEO of another media company, which is loving bizarre as poo poo. ESPN's ombudsman position has been a joke for years.
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