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Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

WrenP-Complete posted:

I have off of work Monday and Tuesday because of a minor health crisis. I'm seeing a specialist Tuesday about some growths and inflammation on my kidney. I'm hoping it's extra kidney or something so I can start a kidney charity. :toot: until then supposed to chill out and drink lots of water. It hurts pretty bad but I'm quite snuggled down with YouTube and reading.

Stones? Stones are horrible. :(

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Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

WrenP-Complete posted:

With the Cannabis people, right? Good luck!

yeah, cannabis interview is next week. i wonder when the job will start though. i assume there'll be some kind of training session like there was with the lcbo but that was like 3 days and it's still 4 months till legalization

Bunni-kat
May 25, 2010

Service Desk B-b-bunny...
How can-ca-caaaaan I
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Improbable Lobster posted:

yeah, cannabis interview is next week. i wonder when the job will start though. i assume there'll be some kind of training session like there was with the lcbo but that was like 3 days and it's still 4 months till legalization

Probably have you set up the place in addition to the training.


Note from the now-wise: don’t chew no-name antinauseants. My tongue is numb. Better than dizzy tho.
Got a first appointment with a psychologist on the 15th. Seemed nice enough over the phone.

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


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Gary’s Answer
Drag race just announced a ban on transgender entrants so gently caress rupaul

WrenP-Complete
Jul 27, 2012

cis autodrag posted:

Drag race just announced a ban on transgender entrants so gently caress rupaul

wtffffffffffff

Bunni-kat
May 25, 2010

Service Desk B-b-bunny...
How can-ca-caaaaan I
help-p-p-p you?

cis autodrag posted:

Drag race just announced a ban on transgender entrants so gently caress rupaul

But why would they do that?

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Because Ru Paul is a transphobic piece of poo poo?

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


drag sucks anyway

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


I don’t understand why I am expected to love drag as a trans woman. I find it completely uninteresting. yet it comes up time and time again and I just don’t caaaaare

dad says it’s poo poo like that that makes me hard to take seriously as a woman :/ just cuz I’m not into drag and makeup and prefer to spend my weekends in pjs watching yt and playing video games doesn’t mean I’m not female

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


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Gary’s Answer

Avenging_Mikon posted:

But why would they do that?

Transition surgeries are "unfair" to other queens. Meanwhile Detox competes twice with a six figure pole of surgeries under her belt.

Ru is a transphobe and now they Real America likes drag race he has to kick off the scary bathroom bandits or he'll lose money.

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


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Gary’s Answer

Pollyanna posted:

I don’t understand why I am expected to love drag as a trans woman. I find it completely uninteresting. yet it comes up time and time again and I just don’t caaaaare

dad says it’s poo poo like that that makes me hard to take seriously as a woman :/ just cuz I’m not into drag and makeup and prefer to spend my weekends in pjs watching yt and playing video games doesn’t mean I’m not female

You don't have to like it, but if you can't understand why trans people love an art form that's about ripping apart and mocking traditional gender roles and performance you're really in a bubble.

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


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Gary’s Answer
Also your dad sounds like he sucks

Bunni-kat
May 25, 2010

Service Desk B-b-bunny...
How can-ca-caaaaan I
help-p-p-p you?

Synthbuttrange posted:

Because Ru Paul is a transphobic piece of poo poo?

I didn’t know that. I actually know almost nothing about Ru Paul.


cis autodrag posted:

Transition surgeries are "unfair" to other queens. Meanwhile Detox competes twice with a six figure pole of surgeries under her belt.

Yuck. That’s a terrible rationale.

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


I’m not discounting the importance and role it’s had in advancing our cause, and I certainly don’t want to obscure that fact

it just doesn’t personally resonate with me :shrug: to be fair I know next to nothing about it, but from a rando looking in its just elaborate costumes and performance art. which is all well and good but it doesn’t have a lot to do with gender to me, especially when it gets more abstract

i mean I’m not an expert and sure I’m missing something but I don’t really see myself reflected in any of it

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


I’m a very boring and down to earth person by nature so maybe it’s just not my scene

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord
i have a gay cousin who does drag and boy am i glad he's not a transphobic pos

Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand
Grimey Drawer
https://twitter.com/RuPaul/status/970810665685299201

https://twitter.com/RuPaul/status/970810822413795328

looks like rupaul wants to walk it back after getting called out

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord
https://twitter.com/deadgrIwaIkng/status/970878981510782977

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

fuuuuck

Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand
Grimey Drawer

lmao outstanding

Bunni-kat
May 25, 2010

Service Desk B-b-bunny...
How can-ca-caaaaan I
help-p-p-p you?

Helianthus Annuus posted:



looks like rupaul wants to walk it back after getting called out
A lot of commenters are saying this isn’t a one-off incident. Also pointing out that one of those pictures is a painting called "train landscape." Damages the sincerity imo.
Like I said though, no real experience with rupaul myself.

Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand
Grimey Drawer
mrw rupaul brings dishonor upon himself

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






EXPERIENCE BIJ!

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


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Avenging_Mikon posted:

A lot of commenters are saying this isn’t a one-off incident. Also pointing out that one of those pictures is a painting called "train landscape." Damages the sincerity imo.
Like I said though, no real experience with rupaul myself.

drag race used to have a segment called "shemail" that he refused to change until Carmen Carrera called him out, at which point Bianca Del Rio said she should shove the remains of her dick down her throat. Ru never condemned that statement.

RuPaul has several songs where he uses the word "tranny" repeatedly, and when called out falls to "well that's just what we drag queens call each other", as though ignorance is a defense when you've been caught out before.

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

super-scientific, ultra-gay

Lipstick Apathy

cis autodrag posted:

drag race used to have a segment called "shemail" that he refused to change until Carmen Carrera called him out, at which point Bianca Del Rio said she should shove the remains of her dick down her throat. Ru never condemned that statement.

RuPaul has several songs where he uses the word "tranny" repeatedly, and when called out falls to "well that's just what we drag queens call each other", as though ignorance is a defense when you've been caught out before.

i only watched that show over at my moms' place once, a few months before i started coming to terms with who i was and it was really offputting and felt kinda creepy but as i still believed i was just a straight dude i didn't feel like that was reasonable at the time

one of the lesser of many many 'oh THAT's why' moments

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

cis autodrag posted:

You don't have to like it, but if you can't understand why trans people love an art form that's about ripping apart and mocking traditional gender roles and performance you're really in a bubble.

i thought a lot of transpeople hated it actually, or at least pretty much every single transperson I know irl does :shrug:

e: like the impression i always got from drag is "that's a thing for cis gay men that at best makes actual transpeople uncomfortable and at worst actively mocks them" and that seems to be the impression all my friends got too

Shame Boy fucked around with this message at 14:40 on Mar 6, 2018

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

to be clear i see where you're coming from and recognize my impression of it is probably completely wrong

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


as i mentioned before drag was the vanguard of the whole queer acceptance movement and trans women have always been at the forefront so im not gonna say it doesnt matter

i just find drag in the modern rather than historical sense to be uninteresting and kind of up its own rear end

rpdr in particular is commercialized garbage led by a clueless sellout

WrenP-Complete
Jul 27, 2012

Got the all clear from the urologist! They think I'm fine, just healing from having passed a kidney stone. I can go back to work tomorrow.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

glad to hear your p is complete

WrenP-Complete
Jul 27, 2012

flakeloaf posted:

glad to hear your p is complete

now to prove p!=np....

obstipator
Nov 8, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
whats the best computer ??

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

obstipator posted:

whats the best computer ??

oh good you're here now, please tell us more about your opinions on those evil :argh:SJW's:argh: and how nobody likes your fitness threads

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

flakeloaf posted:

glad to hear your p is complete

e - guess y'all know i lurk this thread now :shrug:


be well everybody <3

WrenP-Complete
Jul 27, 2012

Captain Foo posted:

e - guess y'all know i lurk this thread now :shrug:


be well everybody <3

welcome, friend.

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


bahston

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


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ate all the Oreos posted:

i thought a lot of transpeople hated it actually, or at least pretty much every single transperson I know irl does :shrug:

e: like the impression i always got from drag is "that's a thing for cis gay men that at best makes actual transpeople uncomfortable and at worst actively mocks them" and that seems to be the impression all my friends got too

Sadly a lot of trans people aren't aware of our history on drag because gay men have really effectively erased us and claimed is as gay men all the way back to stonewall.

Drag was always about a rejection of social norms around gender. In the 60s and 70s it was revolutionary (watch Pink Flamingos for a great example of counterculture drag). Naturally the art form attracted both gay men (who wanted to lash out at a society that told them they weren't man enough) and trans women (who couldn't often live openly as themselves and instead took to the stage, hiding the rest of the time as men). Many of the drag queens who instigated the stonewall riots were trans women, but gay men have pretty effectively erased their identities in the retelling of they event.

As a result, there are trans women today who see drag as basically a mockery of gender variance. Certainly there are plenty of drag queens who are little more than clowns in lady clothes, but just the same there's plenty of novelists who only write harlequin romance. We shouldn't throw away the whole art because some subset of the performers don't get it. Look at how many past drag race girls are out trans people now (Carmen Carrera, jynkx monsoon, peppermint, Gia Gunn, jiggly Caliente, etc). Drag is the first step for a lot of trans people on their journey to finding themselves. It also provides a positive and supportive environment in which to experiment with gender and presentation, and to make fun of the social standards that make transitioning hard.

It makes really sad that so many younger trans women are just totally cut off from that because some log cabin Republicans want stonewall to be all about them.

Not to mention how invisible drag kings tend to be in this whole conversation.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

cis autodrag posted:

Sadly a lot of trans people aren't aware of our history on drag because gay men have really effectively erased us and claimed is as gay men all the way back to stonewall.

Drag was always about a rejection of social norms around gender. In the 60s and 70s it was revolutionary (watch Pink Flamingos for a great example of counterculture drag). Naturally the art form attracted both gay men (who wanted to lash out at a society that told them they weren't man enough) and trans women (who couldn't often live openly as themselves and instead took to the stage, hiding the rest of the time as men). Many of the drag queens who instigated the stonewall riots were trans women, but gay men have pretty effectively erased their identities in the retelling of they event.

i guess the historical view i always got of drag was that it originally involved a lot of transpeople who did it because "being trans" wasn't really something most people knew was possible let alone at all acceptable, then later on once transpeople could start actually being themselves they mostly left and it just kinda became this insular thing cis gays do. it's good to know there's much more to it than that though

cis autodrag posted:

As a result, there are trans women today who see drag as basically a mockery of gender variance. Certainly there are plenty of drag queens who are little more than clowns in lady clothes, but just the same there's plenty of novelists who only write harlequin romance. We shouldn't throw away the whole art because some subset of the performers don't get it. Look at how many past drag race girls are out trans people now (Carmen Carrera, jynkx monsoon, peppermint, Gia Gunn, jiggly Caliente, etc). Drag is the first step for a lot of trans people on their journey to finding themselves. It also provides a positive and supportive environment in which to experiment with gender and presentation, and to make fun of the social standards that make transitioning hard.

It makes really sad that so many younger trans women are just totally cut off from that because some log cabin Republicans want stonewall to be all about them.

Not to mention how invisible drag kings tend to be in this whole conversation.

i've discussed drag with a few trans friends and everyone i've talked to seems to have had the exact opposite reaction - the ones who had been to drag events said it just made them intensely uncomfortable (one of them to the point of leaving halfway through), the drag queens i've interacted with in real life were universally pretty horrible people (most recently being the one at the pride parade minstrel show i mentioned who was making rape jokes on stage), and the only person i've met who i'd call a hardcore fan was this guy i worked with who was the embodiment of that special breed of san francisco liberal paint on top of awful conservative core.

though again, i totally get that there's a whole lot more than what my friends and i have noticed and it sounds like it genuinely helps people and has a lot of not-lovely parts, so :shrug:

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

FinalGamer posted:

In other delightful gay news, the first recorded footage of deep sea octopi mating was taken recently.

Both octopi are male.

They are also from different species of octopi.

The smaller one is topping the larger one, and being a species of noted intelligence, it's very unlikely that they don't know what they're doing and are clearly into each other!


God bless this gay-rear end sea.

[video type="youtube" start="33m32s"]the first recorded footage of deep sea octopi mating was taken recently.[/url]

Both octopi are male.

They are also from different species of octopi.

The smaller one is topping the larger one, and being a species of noted intelligence, it's very unlikely that they don't know what they're doing and are clearly into each other!


God bless this gay-rear end sea.
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Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


i also am not into drag because im just a reserved, low-key person by nature and its pretty much my antithesis

it also comes off as some weird queer-minstrelsy poo poo sometimes and i cant help but feel like a lot of cishet people who are all rah rah about drag stuff thinks its a laugh-at "haha look at those silly gays" situation

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