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CainFortea posted:If PL can't adjust to the meta of "you actually have to be in your space to make money off of it", perhaps you can name a group that was able to adjust to this meta and thus is in a better position than PL? It's a hard pill to swallow when you spent half a decade doing the complete opposite. Also- your weird assumption that PL dudes didn't krab their faces off is hilarious.
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CommonShore posted:Wait ganging up with Horde to kill PL? Isn't Horde "Pandemic Horde"? Is PL now hostile to their own pubic feeder group? not really, but gobbins being gobbins is hard to work with (or so ive overheard)
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Sep 14, 2018 05:30
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Rhymenoserous posted:I mean no thanks. If there was one thing I hated was the "giggle kiss slap slap we're still friends right?" poo poo the directors had going on with PL for like 4 years straight. Like uh yo, they are on the opposite side from us for literally everything ever, sure give eachother broblows at eve vegas but can we maybe we stop handing out "Get out of jail free" cards every time we even slightly get them on the ropes knowing drat good and well it will never be reciprocated? the co-op to push AAA out of delve was fun
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Sep 14, 2018 05:37
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Xolve posted:It's a hard pill to swallow when you spent half a decade doing the complete opposite. I was more talking about alliance funding. And I wasn't saying it wasn't a hard pill to swallow. I was just giving poo poo to dragonshartz.
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Sep 14, 2018 06:28
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Ynglaur posted:I agree: Rorquals probably are a bit OP atm. I agree. Something that is so easy to multibox shouldn't be generating the amount of wealth that they do. Ratting in a (super)carrier requires fighter micro, but Rorquals are 'press butan, receive ore'
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Philonius posted:I agree. Something that is so easy to multibox shouldn't be generating the amount of wealth that they do. Ratting in a (super)carrier requires fighter micro, but Rorquals are 'press butan, receive ore' I agree buff super ratting payouts.
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Sep 14, 2018 11:50
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 counterpoint: rorquals are cool and good
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Sep 14, 2018 12:06
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Really they should double bounty payments in all anoms to keep pace with rorqs and even out the risk / reward.
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Sep 14, 2018 12:13
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lol when i was in pl our main workhorse were long range hacs in small gangs what happened to eve? is boring slowass tidi supercap fights really where all the fun is now?
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Sep 14, 2018 12:28
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Truga posted:lol when i was in pl our main workhorse were long range hacs in small gangs what happened to eve? is boring slowass tidi supercap fights really where all the fun is now? we mine our own titans so they're free and use em to AOE cone doomsday those very small gangs
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Sep 14, 2018 12:41
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Sep 14, 2018 13:11
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I made an alt on another account. Does that make sense or should I have put it on the same account as my main?
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Sep 14, 2018 13:41
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SardonicTyrant posted:I made an alt on another account. Does that make sense or should I have put it on the same account as my main? It makes sense, since you can't be on two characters of the same account at once , and there are numerous reasons to be logged in simultaneously. Like rorq mining with your alt while in a boring fleet.
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Sep 14, 2018 13:46
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:we mine our own titans so they're free and use em to AOE cone doomsday those very small gangs when memes become reality
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Sep 14, 2018 14:10
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smertrioslol posted:Like rorq mining with your alt while in a boring fleet. so you would be on two boring fleets then you see "boring" can also mean "to drill a hole in something" and furthermore,
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Sep 14, 2018 14:32
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:so you would be on two boring fleets then 
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Sep 14, 2018 14:35
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SardonicTyrant posted:I made an alt on another account. Does that make sense or should I have put it on the same account as my main? He said that too once. Twice. No wait... 
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Sep 14, 2018 14:39
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froody guy posted:He said that too once. Twice. No wait... They actually cracked down on carving up the game windows like that, along with input broadcasting. Both are now against the TOS.
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Sep 14, 2018 15:00
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:I forget which interview I read, but it did mention that Hilmar is "contractually obligated" to stay on at CCP. That deflates some of my cautious optimism. These kinds of contracts usually involve ex key staff members being around for a little while to show the new overlords how the coffee machine works etc. He probably will have no say in strategy, if he's even invited to the meetings.
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Sep 14, 2018 15:02
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It would be ironic should the changes made to SOV nullsec helped revive NPS null. I mean, even Syndicate is seeing multiple caps on the field in fights these days. Used to be a single carrier was noteworthy.
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Sep 14, 2018 15:09
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jiggerypokery posted:These kinds of contracts usually involve ex key staff members being around for a little while to show the new overlords how the coffee machine works etc. He probably will have no say in strategy, if he's even invited to the meetings. he almost certainly won't be allowed to blow his new bosses' money on half-baked schemes to be an industry mogul anymore and will get told to stay firmly in his eve-related lane
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Sep 14, 2018 15:32
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Bilirubin posted:It would be ironic should the changes made to SOV nullsec helped revive NPS null.  Wait, so you are saying if I jumped over to Syndicate with a Super Carrier I could rule the entire region with an iron fist?
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Sep 14, 2018 15:49
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Rutibex posted:
I'm saying that supercap would be murdered in short order. Looks like BL is more and more active there. https://zkillboard.com/related/30003282/201809060300/
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Sep 14, 2018 15:52
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so apparently NCdot pulled supercaps out of DO6? if so that is hilarious
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Sep 14, 2018 16:16
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:so apparently NCdot pulled supercaps out of DO6? if so that is hilarious what does that mean? shart dragon is officially on his own?
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Sep 14, 2018 16:22
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blink twice if hes already in CFC backchannels offering to sell out co2 and ncdot
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Sep 14, 2018 16:27
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Hexel posted:what does that mean? shart dragon is officially on his own? maybe, maybe not it does mean that fade and pure blind are completely hosed, and deklein probably won't fare much better DARKNESSdot locked CO2 out of GOTG citadels as well apparently  Hexel posted:blink twice if hes already in CFC backchannels offering to sell out co2 and ncdot what signal do i use if i'm just a low-level line member grunt and have no access to that sort of poo poo
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Sep 14, 2018 16:27
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So where are all the still-2587 scrublords in CO2 hiding?
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Sep 14, 2018 16:29
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unironic vfk by xmas
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Sep 14, 2018 16:37
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CainFortea posted:Lets try a thought exercise. It's not a meta, it's the state of the game. It heavily favours mass recruiting, since the only limit to how much money you can make off a region is how many players you can stuff in it. Previously, for better or worse, a few hundred players could hold multiple regions using caps/supercaps. PLNC, which was probably around 1000-1200 actual players at the time, managed to hold half the map with the rainbow road. CCP decided to change the game drastically with jump fatigue, and then injectors, then rorqs. The correct way to "adapt to the meta" would've been to mass-merge everybody into one alliance and krab it up on the other side of the map from GSF, then have some big throwdown. But where's the fun in that? It's currently pretty fun being able to play with just a few people, and rip up bads in nowhere-important low/null. There certainly are downsides, but all in all we're having more fun than we've had in a while, without having to deal with certain figures in current-year PL leadership.
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What is there to wargame? When TAPIGoon has 2x your numbers in titans mixed across all damage types what exactly are you expecting to be able to pull off against them? PLNC are alliances focused on PvP. We don't want to PvE. Maybe that makes us weak with this stupid krab-centric new order but I'd rather die as a PvP alliance than embrace spod into my brain.
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Sep 14, 2018 17:29
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:What is there to wargame? There's no contesting the TAPI-GSF titan blob now, so why try? PLNC could adapt to the meta to counter this, but it would be really hard, and current leadership wouldn't be amendable to it at all. PVP doesn't mean you have to be some bigname sov contesting empire building alliance. Unless there are internal troubles, the TAPI-GSF model has won the "contest single timer fight" for now. There are a lot of groups though, like skillu, HK, ivana, rekking krew, and others who manage to have fun in a bit more of an "elite" way, without being srs bsns sov fighters.
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Landsknecht posted:There's no contesting the TAPI-GSF titan blob now, so why try? PLNC could adapt to the meta to counter this, but it would be really hard, and current leadership wouldn't be amendable to it at all. Join Groon
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Sep 14, 2018 17:38
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evilweasel posted:he almost certainly won't be allowed to blow his new bosses' money on half-baked schemes to be an industry mogul anymore and will get told to stay firmly in his eve-related lane I give it 12 months before they install a new general manager. Maybe 6.
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Bilirubin posted:Join Groon as I recall groon had absolutely no idea what they were doing, and the only highlight was that pflax was rather hilarious it's kind of fun to not be a dumb in eve, and play with other not dumbs
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Sep 14, 2018 17:54
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Bilirubin posted:Join Groon sadly i think groon is dead
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Sep 14, 2018 17:58
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Landsknecht posted:as I recall groon had absolutely no idea what they were doing, and the only highlight was that pflax was rather hilarious Groon is a gem, you shut your whore mouth
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Sep 14, 2018 18:03
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Bilirubin posted:Join Groon
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Sep 14, 2018 18:06
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working mom posted:Groon is a gem, you shut your whore mouth
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Landsknecht posted:It's not a meta, it's the state of the game. It heavily favours mass recruiting, since the only limit to how much money you can make off a region is how many players you can stuff in it. There was still some adaptation required. PL started trying to get as many warm bodies with Horde. They could have adapted but instead decided to farm them for content instead of control of space. Our culture was different from the get go, so our adaption was far easier and is why it was successful. Dragonsharts is trying to say I'm claiming our culture had nothing to do with it, which was stupid thing I never said, and was giving him poo poo for it. It wasn't our culture alone, otherwise we could have stomped PL to death years ago. It wasn't meta change alone, because plenty of other groups failed to pivot to the new meta.
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