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ChesterJT posted:If you want a real answer, this generation doesn't understand nuance at all and spends every waking moment trying to flagellate themselves for any deemed impure thought. Which "this generation" are you talking about? ChesterJT posted:It's ok to laugh at a joke. That doesn't make you homophobic, or racist, or whatever other label you're desperately trying to attach to yourself. Life's too short to beat yourself up over a tv show. Also, making or laughing at jokes doesn't not make you homophobic or racist so this statement is useless. As an example for the rest of the thread, conservative astroturf personalities like Crowder, Shapiro, and so forth are horrible human beings who say horrible poo poo all the time and their audience eats it up. A classic feature of fascists are that they say or do horrible things and pretend that they were "just joking" (the okay hand symbol for white supremacy, for instance). Recently, in "celebration" of MLK day, Steven Crowder talked about (I'm not linking it) how MLK was having sex with "crack whores." His crew and audience laugh at this "joke." On top of Crowder being a racist it's also inaccurate because crack wasn't around when MLK was alive. So, it's just lazy racist word association that MLK's prostitutes were crack whores because they were black (I guess, I haven't looked at the roster). It is funny to laugh at Crowder because he's a piece of poo poo, like the Sunny characters, but enjoying the actual racist joke means you're garbage, too. The Sean fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Jan 21, 2022 |
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Everyone else has had really good answers, so I only wanna add one small thing.Mister Speaker posted:Maybe it's that they don't 'double down' in the same way that some entertainers do. They move on, and maybe make another episode about it a few seasons later that's deeply self-referential - or they have a conversation about it and remove some content. I think this is a big part of it, too. I'm exactly the type who's pretty sensitive to whatever offensive stuff, racism/misogyny/transphobia etc, but think of it this way- I really only have so much time & emotional energy to get upset by this stuff. I just don't have the energy to be bothered every single time someone uses a slur. I wouldn't be able to live like that. When there's an entertainer who, like you say, doubles down on it, and makes bigotry a key part of their identity, and every single time I see or hear from them I know I'm gonna have to listen to a five minute rant about why actually, bigotry is good and funny... then I'm just gonna stop watching or listening to their stuff. (hi Dave) But with Sunny, it feels like they are at least AWARE that the poo poo they do is bonkers hosed up, and they make some kind of effort not to be total monsters. So even if I see, say, lovely t-word jokes in one episode, I can keep watching with SOME hope that it'll get better. Maybe not every episode will reinforce casual bigotry, maybe they'll actually have something positive to say from time to time. (in their own way lol) And they generally have.
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I get why someone wouldn't actually want to watch the episodes with the rough language. But really they didn't do anything wrong when they actually made the episodes. Although the jokes were certainly off color and edgy in the mid 2000s... It wasn't the get cancelled bitch it would be now... I'm not really sure it's that productive to look at past media with 2020 lenses and judge it.
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biracial bear for uncut posted:They all have some pretty impressive ability to recover from physical injury though. Except Dennis, when the keg exploded. He's like a chicken pot pie down there.
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The Sean posted:As an example for the rest of the thread, conservative astroturf personalities like Crowder, Shapiro, and so forth are horrible human beings who say horrible poo poo all the time and their audience eats it up. A classic feature of fascists are that they say or do horrible things and pretend that they were "just joking" (the okay hand symbol for white supremacy, for instance). Recently, in "celebration" of MLK day, Steven Crowder talked about (I'm not linking it) how MLK was having sex with "crack whores." His crew and audience laugh at this "joke." On top of Crowder being a racist it's also inaccurate because crack wasn't around when MLK was alive. So, it's just lazy racist word association that MLK's prostitutes were crack whores because they were black (I guess, I haven't looked at the roster). It is funny to laugh at Crowder because he's a piece of poo poo, like the Sunny characters, but enjoying the actual racist joke means you're garbage, too. how the gently caress does this have anything to do with sunny? c-spam is thattaway, brother
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Yeah, how the gently caress does a post that explicitly ties into the discussion this thread is having have anything to do with this thread???
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There is nothing in common between laughing at a Steven Crowder bit and an episode of IAS and if you think there is you have absolutely overdosed on politics forums
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CPColin posted:Yeah, how the gently caress does a post that explicitly ties into the discussion this thread is having have anything to do with this thread??? I mean you are definitely not going to have a productive discussion of this in what is effectively a fanboy thread Not hating it’s just what these threads are
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watching always sunny and shaking my head the whole time so people on the bus know I disagree with the caricatures of bad people
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i have no idea who steven crowder is. sounds like a jabroni.moist turtleneck posted:watching always sunny and shaking my head the whole time so people on the bus know I disagree with the caricatures of bad people  
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just to beat people to it I'm just copying this tweet https://twitter.com/metalgearobama/status/1344102150259974150?s=20
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moist turtleneck posted:watching always sunny and breathing directly into someone's mouth the whole time so people on the bus know I disagree with the caricatures of bad people Fixed
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The Sean posted:Which "this generation" are you talking about? One side hides behind fearmorngering and plausible deniability while painting their hosts as the good guys, the other shows terrible people on purpose to highlight lovely behaviors. You'll find way more PoC fans of Sunny than Crowder, because one is blatantly satire and one is not. moist turtleneck posted:I love it so much that they brought that character back 10 years later Same with the welfare store lady.
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moist turtleneck posted:watching always sunny and shaking my head the whole time so people on the bus know I disagree with the caricatures of bad people You don't get praise for telling people you're not racist.
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CPColin posted:Fixed lmao
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XboxPants posted:You don't get praise for telling people you're not racist. that is indeed  in the post you quoted
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XboxPants posted:You don't get praise for telling people you're not racist. Hmm, well I have a certificate on my wall that says I'm not a racist that a friend gave to me. I have to ask, do you have such a certificate? No? Well then... How do we know you're not a racist?
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SLICK GOKU BABY posted:Hmm, well I have a certificate on my wall that says I'm not a racist that a friend gave to me. I have to ask, do you have such a certificate? No? Well then... How do we know you're not a racist? Did he say he was a racist? ...Well his phone did!
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Carthag Tuek posted:that is indeed I think they were quoting the show, when Mac was "graciously stepping down" from the role of Murtaugh
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SLICK GOKU BABY posted:Hmm, well I have a certificate on my wall that says I'm not a racist that a friend gave to me. I have to ask, do you have such a certificate? No? Well then... How do we know you're not a racist? That certificate says "not donkey-brained". Your illiteracy has screwed us again!
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FireWorksWell posted:One side hides behind fearmorngering and plausible deniability while painting their hosts as the good guys, the other shows terrible people on purpose to highlight lovely behaviors. You'll find way more PoC fans of Sunny than Crowder, because one is blatantly satire and one is not. Yeah, duh. It's on topic with regards to how people discuss lovely things and I was demonstrating a contrast of watching something to enjoy being lovely to people versus the actual comedy consumption of people using slurs, blackface, trans slur, etc. We're in agreeance. ShoogaSlim posted:how the gently caress does this have anything to do with sunny? Read the thread you dumbass.  Speaking of dumbasses, I see posts on social media every once in a while where a dumbass will say "I don't like Sunny now that it's getting political. I'm not a fan anymore." lol it's always been commenting on sociopolitical issues.
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FireWorksWell posted:I think they were quoting the show, when Mac was "graciously stepping down" from the role of Murtaugh oh poo poo, thats true lol
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The Sean posted:Yeah, duh. It's on topic with regards to how people discuss lovely things and I was demonstrating a contrast of watching something to enjoy being lovely to people versus the actual comedy consumption of people using slurs, blackface, trans slur, etc. We're in agreeance. Yeah but now they are pointing out how lovely my beliefs are.
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Roxy has risen from the dead and cleaned up a little bit to appear as a mom on Euphoria: Cojawfee posted:Yeah but now they are pointing out how lovely my beliefs are. Hahaha, exactly. The Sean fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Jan 21, 2022 |
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The Sean posted:Yeah, duh. It's on topic with regards to how people discuss lovely things and I was demonstrating a contrast of watching something to enjoy being lovely to people versus the actual comedy consumption of people using slurs, blackface, trans slur, etc. We're in agreeance. I assume the person posting that on social media is racist/homophobic/transphobic/a piece of poo poo in some way
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RC Cola posted:I assume the person posting that on social media is racist/homophobic/transphobic/a piece of poo poo in some way 100% true*. On topic for this discussion, too, as "does this hold up still, is it okay in various cases for Sunny to be lovely since they're not endorsing it but it could be interpreted as gross?" as the OP (paraphrasing) asked. If irl racists/homophobes/etc are jumping ship then it's some evidence that the show is doing something right. *also almost always teenage/early 20s white boys or middle aged white guys with profile photos of them in wraparound sunglasses doing a selfie in their car.
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funny all the self-righteous people in here judging ASIP characters when a) they rarely do anything worse than things we all do all the time and b) you never walked a mile in their shoes so you really don't know how it is for them, do you?
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What are you doing to me? Why are you doing this? You've been riding me, now you're accusing me of things. You just don't get it. You don't know why I do the things that I do. It's nuts. You don't know how hard I've got it.
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Khanstant posted:funny all the self-righteous people in here judging ASIP characters when a) they rarely do anything worse than things we all do all the time and b) you never walked a mile in their shoes so you really don't know how it is for them, do you? best episode 100%
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Frank and Mac in the movie theater with the laser pointer always cracks me up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiAY20P-EjA
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Charlie explaining his nightly routine and then Frank bursting into the room to wordlessly play out exactly what he says was one of the scenes that sold me on this show.
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Mister Speaker posted:Brevity is not exactly my strong suit but bear with me because there's something I've been trying to put into words for a couple of days now regarding Sunny and edgy humour. Basically, I've been rewatching a lot of older episodes and finding it increasingly difficult to justify enjoying the jokes and storylines. You are dumb as a bug
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Can you believe the poo poo Bart Simpson gets away with
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Dongicus posted:You are dumb as a bug Shut up babydick
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Dongicus posted:Can you believe the poo poo Bart Simpson gets away with remind me to quote this in 2 pages so i can lay down a sick burn
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FireWorksWell posted:Charlie explaining his nightly routine and then Frank bursting into the room to wordlessly play out exactly what he says was one of the scenes that sold me on this show. Seriously, the way he just woofs down that cat food and then dives into the bed is loving amazing 
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drunken officeparty posted:Shut up babydick https://forums.somethingawful.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=273
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